"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
...

"Joe" wrote in message
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I was kidding, I was not a Marine, I served in the Navy.
As for the picture a friend named Andrea on a Morgan Out Island took
that picture.
They now live in Flordia

I'd be totally ashamed to admit a Morgan Out Island was able to get ahead
of me.

Thank God you didn't take a photo of it.

Max

Maxprop wrote:
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
...

"Joe" wrote in message
groups.com...

I was kidding, I was not a Marine, I served in the Navy.
As for the picture a friend named Andrea on a Morgan Out Island took
that picture.
They now live in Flordia

I'd be totally ashamed to admit a Morgan Out Island was able to get ahead
of me.


Thank God you didn't take a photo of it.

Max


There's a big old one on the dock on the way out to our boat...with a
honking big jouse airconditioner sitting on top of the hatch (maybe it's
a boat air conditioner, but it sure looks big enough for a window...)
They have got to be the ugliest boats (except for Coronado 27's, od
course) around...oh..and Columbia 36's...they rank right up there, too...

On Mar 13, 10:24 pm, katy wrote:
Maxprop wrote:
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
...

"Joe" wrote in message
groups.com...

I was kidding, I was not a Marine, I served in the Navy.
As for the picture a friend named Andrea on a Morgan Out Island took
that picture.
They now live in Flordia

I'd be totally ashamed to admit a Morgan Out Island was able to get ahead
of me.

Thank God you didn't take a photo of it.

Max

There's a big old one on the dock on the way out to our boat...with a
honking big jouse airconditioner sitting on top of the hatch (maybe it's
a boat air conditioner, but it sure looks big enough for a window...)
They have got to be the ugliest boats (except for Coronado 27's, od
course) around...oh..and Columbia 36's...they rank right up there, too...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Went out sailing with them once one night.
When you leaned on the wire lifelines and they hit the standing
rigging it would spark.
He had a bad short somewhere for sure.

Joe

Joe wrote:
On Mar 13, 10:24 pm, katy wrote:

Maxprop wrote:

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
...

"Joe" wrote in message
legroups.com...

I was kidding, I was not a Marine, I served in the Navy.
As for the picture a friend named Andrea on a Morgan Out Island took
that picture.
They now live in Flordia

I'd be totally ashamed to admit a Morgan Out Island was able to get ahead
of me.

Thank God you didn't take a photo of it.

Max

There's a big old one on the dock on the way out to our boat...with a
honking big jouse airconditioner sitting on top of the hatch (maybe it's
a boat air conditioner, but it sure looks big enough for a window...)
They have got to be the ugliest boats (except for Coronado 27's, od
course) around...oh..and Columbia 36's...they rank right up there, too...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Went out sailing with them once one night.
When you leaned on the wire lifelines and they hit the standing
rigging it would spark.
He had a bad short somewhere for sure.

Joe


yikes!

On Mar 14, 8:45 am, Charlie Morgan wrote:
On 13 Mar 2007 15:39:03 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:41:13 -0400, Charlie Morgan said:

The only boat that was nicknamed a "Higgins boat" was the LCVP.

Is that what the program said--that that was the only boat nicknamed the
"Higgins boat"-- or is it just that no other boats were referred to in the
program as "Higgins boats?"

If you can produce some cites calling any other style of boat a "Higgins Boat",
I'd appreciate it. I am relying on more than just the TV show. It was just by
coincidence that I happened to see that show very recently. Joe B. is a
blubbering idiot, and has no idea what he's yapping about.

CWM

Higgins produced 199 78-foot boats. The Higgins boats, built by
Higgins Industries in New Orleans, Louisiana, were 78-foot (24 m)
boats of the PT-71 class. The Higgins boats had the same beam, full
load displacement, engine, generators, shaft power, trial speed,
armament, and crew accommodations as the 80-foot (24 m) Elco boats.
Numerous Higgins boats were sent to the USSR and Great Britain at the
beginning of the war, so many of the lower squadrons in the USN were
made up exclusively of Elcos. The first Higgins boats for the US Navy
were used in the Battle for the Aleutian Islands (Attu and Kiska) as
part of Squadron 13, and others in the Mediterranean against the
Germans. A somewhat odd footnote is that even though only half as many
Higgins boats were produced, far more survive (six hulls, 2 of which
have been restored to their WW2 configuration), as do the more
numerously built ELCO boats of which only two hulls (one restored) are
know to exist at this time.

Joe

On Mar 14, 9:11 am, "Joe" wrote:
On Mar 14, 8:45 am, Charlie Morgan wrote:





On 13 Mar 2007 15:39:03 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:41:13 -0400, Charlie Morgan said:

The only boat that was nicknamed a "Higgins boat" was the LCVP.

Is that what the program said--that that was the only boat nicknamed the
"Higgins boat"-- or is it just that no other boats were referred to in the
program as "Higgins boats?"

If you can produce some cites calling any other style of boat a "Higgins Boat",
I'd appreciate it. I am relying on more than just the TV show. It was just by
coincidence that I happened to see that show very recently. Joe B. is a
blubbering idiot, and has no idea what he's yapping about.

CWM

Higgins produced 199 78-foot boats. The Higgins boats, built by
Higgins Industries in New Orleans, Louisiana, were 78-foot (24 m)
boats of the PT-71 class. The Higgins boats had the same beam, full
load displacement, engine, generators, shaft power, trial speed,
armament, and crew accommodations as the 80-foot (24 m) Elco boats.
Numerous Higgins boats were sent to the USSR and Great Britain at the
beginning of the war, so many of the lower squadrons in the USN were
made up exclusively of Elcos. The first Higgins boats for the US Navy
were used in the Battle for the Aleutian Islands (Attu and Kiska) as
part of Squadron 13, and others in the Mediterranean against the
Germans. A somewhat odd footnote is that even though only half as many
Higgins boats were produced, far more survive (six hulls, 2 of which
have been restored to their WW2 configuration), as do the more
numerously built ELCO boats of which only two hulls (one restored) are
know to exist at this time.

Joe- Hide quoted text -

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http://www.savetheptboatinc.com/new_page_9.htm
http://www.ptboats.org/20-01-05-ptboat-006.html
THE HIGGINS 78' PT BOAT

Like the Elco's, Higgins 78' boats were periodically updated and
reconfigured for the missions they were call upon to perform. These
boats also took on a gun boat configuration, rather then their
traditional torpedo role, because of the nature of wartime tactics in
the Pacific. Many PT boats were given the tasks of harassing and
controlling the enemy left behind on islands that were skipped over by
the advancing allied forces. The PT boats became "Barge Busters" with
their relentless attacks on enemy barges and boats used to supply and
ferry the enemy from island to island. They were also called upon to
support troop landings and rescues.

Higgins boats played a large roll in the Mediterranean Sea area
combating enemy shipping. Including duels with German E-boats or S-
Boats (Schnellbooten) and heavily armored and armed barges known as F-
lighters.


http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq60-5.htm


PT Boats

PT 109 was one of the hundreds of motor torpedo boats (PT) of the PT
103 class completed between 1942 and 1945 by Elco Naval Division of
Electric Boat Company at Bayonne, New Jersey. The Elco boats were the
largest in size of the three types of PT boats built for U.S. use
during World War II. Wooden-hulled, 80 feet long with a 20-foot, 8-
inch beam, the Elco PT boats had three 12-cylinder Packard gasoline
engines generating a total of 4,500 horsepower for a designed speed of
41 knots. With accommodations for 3 officers and 14 men, the crew
varied from 12 to 14. Its full-load displacement was 56 tons. Early
Elco boats had two 20mm guns, four .50-caliber machine guns, and two
or four 21-inch torpedo tubes. Some of them carried depth charges or
mine racks. Later boats mounted one 40mm gun and four torpedo
launching racks. Many boats received ad-hoc refits at advanced bases,
mounting such light guns as Army Air Forces 37mm aircraft guns and
even Japanese 23mm guns. Some PTs later received rocket launchers.


Originally conceived as antiship weapons, PTs were publicly, but
erroneously, credited with sinking Japanese warships during the early
months after Pearl Harbor. During the long Solomons campaign, they
operated usefully at night and times of low visibility against
Japanese barge traffic in the "Slot." Throughout World War II, PTs
operated in the southern, western, and northern Pacific, as well as in
the Mediterranean and the English Channel. Some served off Normandy
during that invasion. Though their primary mission continued to be
seen as attack of surface ships and craft, PTs were also used
effectively to lay mines and smoke screens, to rescue downed aviators,
and to carry out intelligence or raider operations. Almost all
surviving Elco PTs were disposed of shortly after V-J Day. One Elco
boat, PT 617, survives at Battleship Cove, Fall River, Massachusetts.


Although more 80-foot Elco boats were built than any other type of
motor torpedo boat, other types were built by the U. S. The British-
designed 70-foot Vosper boats which were built for Lend Lease fired 18-
inch torpedoes. Since the U.S. produced the heavier and longer 21-inch
torpedoes, the U.S. Navy wanted a larger PT boat. After
experimentation, the first PT boat built in any quantity was the 77-
foot type built by Elco. These boats were used early in World War II.
In 1943 in the Solomons, three of these 77-foot PT boats, PT 59, PT 60
and PT 61, were even converted into gunboats by stripping the boat of
all original armament except for the two twin .50 caliber gun mounts,
and then adding two 40mm guns and four more twin .50 caliber machine
guns. LTJG John F. Kennedy was the first commanding officer of PT 59
after the conversion.


Although the Huckins Yacht Company of Jacksonville, Florida, built a
few 78 foot boats of the PT 95 class, the 80-foot Elco boats and the
78-foot Higgins boats became the standard motor torpedo boats of World
War II. The Higgins boats which were built by Higgins Industries in
New Orleans, Louisiana, were 78-foot boats of the PT 71 class. The
Higgins boats had the same beam, full load displacement, engine,
generators, shaft horsepower, trial speed, armament, and crew
accommodations as the 80-foot Elco boats.

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Mar 13, 10:24 pm, katy wrote:
Maxprop wrote:
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
...

"Joe" wrote in message
groups.com...

I was kidding, I was not a Marine, I served in the Navy.
As for the picture a friend named Andrea on a Morgan Out Island took
that picture.
They now live in Flordia

I'd be totally ashamed to admit a Morgan Out Island was able to get
ahead
of me.

Thank God you didn't take a photo of it.

Max

There's a big old one on the dock on the way out to our boat...with a
honking big jouse airconditioner sitting on top of the hatch (maybe it's
a boat air conditioner, but it sure looks big enough for a window...)
They have got to be the ugliest boats (except for Coronado 27's, od
course) around...oh..and Columbia 36's...they rank right up there,
too...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Went out sailing with them once one night.
When you leaned on the wire lifelines and they hit the standing
rigging it would spark.
He had a bad short somewhere for sure.

We had a friend who once owned an Out Island 34 (or 36, can't recall which),
that couldn't tack in winds under 10kts. without starting the engine.

Max

On Mar 14, 9:34 am, Nathan Branden wrote:
On 14 Mar 2007 09:22:03 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:45:11 -0400, Charlie Morgan said:

Is that what the program said--that that was the only boat nicknamed the
"Higgins boat"-- or is it just that no other boats were referred to in the
program as "Higgins boats?"

If you can produce some cites calling any other style of boat a "Higgins Boat",
I'd appreciate it. I am relying on more than just the TV show.

You didn't answer my question.

I take it from your answer, however, that if the question were answered it
would not prove the claim that "that was the only boat nicknamed the
'Higgins boat.'"

Actually it was referred to as the "Mike" boat.

Nathan

Very Good Nathen. But you blew the chance to drag BB around with a
hook in his lip.

Joe

I hope you don't mind my asking but, "MCRD" what?


'Marine Corps Recuit Depot'

A.K.A. Boot camp in San Diego near Camp Pendleton

On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 01:07:42 GMT, JimC wrote:

snippity-snip

Joe,

I have an honorable discharge from the USMC also. Boot camp at MCRD in
the 60's. - Not too many of us around.

Regarding your pictures, I'm curious about the one showing RedCloud
approaching the cameraman (or woman) 110 miles offshore. Who was taking
the picture, and where was she/he at the time?

Jim

I hope you don't mind my asking but, "MCRD" what?
Mark E. Williams