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[email protected] March 2nd 07 12:44 AM

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Parachute cord is good for this. You can rub it with paraffin (shades
of Tadpole and his tallow!) and it will slide very smoothly over
almost anything.


Charlie Morgan wrote:
So, which is it Doug?


Which is what?

DSK


Scotty March 2nd 07 12:44 AM

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"katy" wrote in message
...


Wouldn't hold...ours has to run through a plastic sleeve

all the way up
the mast...keeps things from banging against each other in

there....

Does that cause resistance? That's not good, is it?
BTW, I too have internal halyards.

Scotty




Scotty March 2nd 07 01:03 AM

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No, it was the scum bag known as BB.


"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in
message ...

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
CWM


Sorry, I must have remembered wrong. It looks like it was

Bobsprit who
wished Old Thom dead. Here's one of Thom's old posts

indicating this was
the case. He mentioned BB ion the post and that's probably

why I
remembered it wrong.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s.../msg/0f1beb993
a31fd51?dmode=source&hl=en

Wilbur Hubbard




Scotty March 2nd 07 01:05 AM

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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in
message ...


The wire halyards on my boat are over 25 years old and

have yet to
develop the first meat hook.


Lack of use will do that.



katy March 2nd 07 01:14 AM

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Scotty wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...


Wouldn't hold...ours has to run through a plastic sleeve


all the way up

the mast...keeps things from banging against each other in


there....

Does that cause resistance? That's not good, is it?
BTW, I too have internal halyards.

Scotty



No...there's no resistance...

Wilbur Hubbard March 2nd 07 01:20 AM

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"Scotty" w@u wrote in message
...

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in
message ...


The wire halyards on my boat are over 25 years old and

have yet to
develop the first meat hook.


Lack of use will do that.


They get plenty of use. But they are the wire spliced to line type. The
winch end is line which I've replaced a couple of times. (If you can't
do a wire to rope splice you are no sailor.) It takes the wear. The
sheaves at the masthead are compound and large diameter. They fit the
line but have a thinner grove in the center that fits the wire. The wire
wraps around about a four-inch diameter. The sheaves are GRP and very
easy on the wire. Modern day yachts don't bother with quality and
practicality like the older yachts. Customers are generally too stupid
to know what's best. They are more interested in the stereo system and
refrigerator.

Wilbur Hubbard


Joe March 2nd 07 01:20 AM

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On Mar 1, 4:38 pm, Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:43:53 -0500, Jeff wrote:
* Charlie Morgan wrote, On 3/1/2007 2:45 PM:
...


You're the one adding all the extra steps, after Jeff told
him exactly what to do.


On many boats, you either have to cut off the splice/shackle end or
use a messenger wire from the other direction.


There can certainly be a variety of different setups. However, this
touches on an interesting question: Which is better, splicing on the
shackle, or tying it? My preference is for tying, using a stunsail
tackbend (buntline hitch) which will cinch down on the shackle and
hold it tight. The knot takes up little space, while a splice could
potentially get jammed in the sheave. Also, with a knot its easy to
"end for end" periodically.


I may consider that idea the next time I replace a halyard. Do you find the knot
gets in the way at times when trying to use a shackle key? I have a number of
halyards that are all clipped to a mast ring when not in use. That might add to
the crowding there, as well. My other question would be the relative strength of
a well done splice versus a well tied knot. I tend to think the splice would be
stronger.

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Instead of doing it half assed, get stainless cable with a swedged on
end with a toggle and halyard shackle.

Sheeeze............ leave it to a C&C owner to tie his sails on with
a knot.

Joe


Wilbur Hubbard March 2nd 07 01:25 AM

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"katy" wrote in message
...
Scotty wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...


Wouldn't hold...ours has to run through a plastic sleeve


all the way up

the mast...keeps things from banging against each other in


there....

Does that cause resistance? That's not good, is it?
BTW, I too have internal halyards.

Scotty



No...there's no resistance...


You said tape wouldn't work because of the resistance of passing through
the plastic sleeve. Then you turn around and say there isn't any
resistance. Which is it. You can't have it both ways.

Wilbur Hubbard


Joe March 2nd 07 01:36 AM

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On Mar 1, 6:07 pm, dougking...@yahoo.

I have also seen wire halyards cut thru lines inside masts,


Only fools have lines inside the mast IMO.

and saw
grooves in the exit boxes of the mast itself.


Must have been a cheap mast..was it a C&C by chance?

Wire has it's place but
there is much better stuff for running rigging these days.


Not for main and mizzen halyards IMO. Never wears out... no knots,
less windage, stronger, all around better. But you need the proper
wire winches.

Joe

Fresh Breezes- Doug King




Scotty March 2nd 07 01:38 AM

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"katy" wrote in message
...
Scotty wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...


Wouldn't hold...ours has to run through a plastic sleeve


all the way up

the mast...keeps things from banging against each other

in

there....

Does that cause resistance? That's not good, is it?
BTW, I too have internal halyards.

Scotty



No...there's no resistance...


Well then,duct tape should be sufficient. But sew it to be
sure!

Scotty




Bob Crantz March 2nd 07 02:10 AM

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wrote in message
ups.com...
I need to replace my the halyard for main main sail. How can I do this
without climbing the mast?

The old halyard is still in place.

Thanks



Cruise up to a bridge of proper height, go up on the bridge, replace the
line and give it all a good inspection. Great way to replace bulbs up there
too.

Praise!



Maxprop March 2nd 07 02:21 AM

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:06:26 -0500, Jeff wrote:

* Charlie Morgan wrote, On 3/1/2007 5:38 PM:
On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:43:53 -0500, Jeff wrote:

* Charlie Morgan wrote, On 3/1/2007 2:45 PM:
...
You're the one adding all the extra steps, after Jeff told
him exactly what to do.

On many boats, you either have to cut off the splice/shackle end or
use a messenger wire from the other direction.
There can certainly be a variety of different setups. However, this
touches on an interesting question: Which is better, splicing on the
shackle, or tying it? My preference is for tying, using a stunsail
tackbend (buntline hitch) which will cinch down on the shackle and
hold it tight. The knot takes up little space, while a splice could
potentially get jammed in the sheave. Also, with a knot its easy to
"end for end" periodically.

I may consider that idea the next time I replace a halyard. Do you find
the knot
gets in the way at times when trying to use a shackle key?


Nope, but I have a fairly large shackle.

I have a number of
halyards that are all clipped to a mast ring when not in use. That might
add to
the crowding there, as well.


It might.

My other question would be the relative strength of
a well done splice versus a well tied knot. I tend to think the splice
would be
stronger.


A "well done splice" is generally stronger than a knot, but its easy
to see that a knot is well tied, but its harder to tell if a splice is
well done. I've seen more splices fail than knots.

The real question is "How much strength is needed?" I think halyard
tension is well under 1000 pounds, while the strength of the line with
a knot is probably 5 times that.


Thanks, Jeff. I may give this a try. It certainly has some clear
advantages. I
can tell if a splice is well done, because I do them all myself. I use my
main
sail halyard for going up the mast, so it's a fairly critical
consideration for
me.


If you're using the spliced-on shackle on the halyard to secure the halyard
to your bosun's chair, you're a bigger fool than I've been thinking you are.
Hope your insurance is paid up.

Max



Joe March 2nd 07 02:37 AM

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On Mar 1, 8:09 pm, Charlie Morgan wrote:
On 1 Mar 2007 17:20:08 -0800, "Joe" wrote:





On Mar 1, 4:38 pm, Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:43:53 -0500, Jeff wrote:
* Charlie Morgan wrote, On 3/1/2007 2:45 PM:
...


You're the one adding all the extra steps, after Jeff told
him exactly what to do.


On many boats, you either have to cut off the splice/shackle end or
use a messenger wire from the other direction.


There can certainly be a variety of different setups. However, this
touches on an interesting question: Which is better, splicing on the
shackle, or tying it? My preference is for tying, using a stunsail
tackbend (buntline hitch) which will cinch down on the shackle and
hold it tight. The knot takes up little space, while a splice could
potentially get jammed in the sheave. Also, with a knot its easy to
"end for end" periodically.


I may consider that idea the next time I replace a halyard. Do you find the knot
gets in the way at times when trying to use a shackle key? I have a number of
halyards that are all clipped to a mast ring when not in use. That might add to
the crowding there, as well. My other question would be the relative strength of
a well done splice versus a well tied knot. I tend to think the splice would be
stronger.


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Instead of doing it half assed, get stainless cable with a swedged on
end with a toggle and halyard shackle.


Sheeeze............ leave it to a C&C owner to tie his sails on with
a knot.


Joe


Please let us all know when you get a clue and become a competent sailor.

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Please let us know when you can afford a shackle.

Joe


Joe March 2nd 07 02:42 AM

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On Mar 1, 8:29 pm, Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 02:21:15 GMT, "Maxprop" wrote:

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:06:26 -0500, Jeff wrote:


* Charlie Morgan wrote, On 3/1/2007 5:38 PM:
On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:43:53 -0500, Jeff wrote:


* Charlie Morgan wrote, On 3/1/2007 2:45 PM:
...
You're the one adding all the extra steps, after Jeff told
him exactly what to do.


On many boats, you either have to cut off the splice/shackle end or
use a messenger wire from the other direction.
There can certainly be a variety of different setups. However, this
touches on an interesting question: Which is better, splicing on the
shackle, or tying it? My preference is for tying, using a stunsail
tackbend (buntline hitch) which will cinch down on the shackle and
hold it tight. The knot takes up little space, while a splice could
potentially get jammed in the sheave. Also, with a knot its easy to
"end for end" periodically.


I may consider that idea the next time I replace a halyard. Do you find
the knot
gets in the way at times when trying to use a shackle key?


Nope, but I have a fairly large shackle.


I have a number of
halyards that are all clipped to a mast ring when not in use. That might
add to
the crowding there, as well.


It might.


My other question would be the relative strength of
a well done splice versus a well tied knot. I tend to think the splice
would be
stronger.


A "well done splice" is generally stronger than a knot, but its easy
to see that a knot is well tied, but its harder to tell if a splice is
well done. I've seen more splices fail than knots.


The real question is "How much strength is needed?" I think halyard
tension is well under 1000 pounds, while the strength of the line with
a knot is probably 5 times that.


Thanks, Jeff. I may give this a try. It certainly has some clear
advantages. I
can tell if a splice is well done, because I do them all myself. I use my
main
sail halyard for going up the mast, so it's a fairly critical
consideration for
me.


If you're using the spliced-on shackle on the halyard to secure the halyard
to your bosun's chair, you're a bigger fool than I've been thinking you are.
Hope your insurance is paid up.


Max


You are the fool. I know a lot more about this subject than you will ever know.


Sure you do BB. You should use a granny knot to tie the halyard onto
your main.
Use your shackle 's and thimbles on your dock lines like bubbles.

Joe

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katy March 2nd 07 04:13 AM

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Scotty wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...

Scotty wrote:

"katy" wrote in message
...


Wouldn't hold...ours has to run through a plastic sleeve

all the way up


the mast...keeps things from banging against each other


in

there....

Does that cause resistance? That's not good, is it?
BTW, I too have internal halyards.

Scotty




No...there's no resistance...



Well then,duct tape should be sufficient. But sew it to be
sure!

Scotty



Like I said, we've tried that and it wouldn't work..there is resistance
WIT the tape on, not under general load...at any rate, we have no
problems with the messenger line techniqwue so will continue to use that
since it works for us and the other doesn't...

Shaun Van Poecke March 2nd 07 11:01 AM

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"Scotty" w@u wrote in message
. ..
Really? Have your tried this?


yelp, twice.

SBV


yelp yelp

shaun



Scotty March 2nd 07 03:13 PM

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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
...




Cruise up to a bridge of proper height, go up on the

bridge, replace the
line and give it all a good inspection.
Great way to BREAK bulbs up there
too.



Yulp



Scotty March 2nd 07 03:16 PM

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"katy" wrote in message
...


Like I said, we've tried that and it wouldn't work..there

is resistance
WIT the tape on, not under general load...at any rate, we

have no
problems with the messenger line techniqwue so will

continue to use that
since it works for us and the other doesn't...


whatever floats your boat.



Scotty March 2nd 07 03:18 PM

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 20:03:49 -0500, "Scotty" w@u wrote:

No, it was the scum bag known as BB.



You might be headed for trouble you never imagined. You

might want to take a
very long leave from usenet. Who knows?


Oh NO! PLEASE don't hurt me Chuckles. I'll behave. I
promise.

SBV



Edgar March 2nd 07 03:36 PM

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"katy" wrote in message
...
All our lines are oversized...on purpose...


I am replacing my main halliard at this very moment because before I bought
the boat someone who should have known better used a 14mm rope and forced it
through a stopper at the cockpit which was clearly marked that it wa sized
for 10-12mm rope. Had to use the winch to hoist the sail last year because
of the drag through that stopper. New halliard will be 10mm Spectra. If your
lines come back to the cockpit forget about wire, which is only OK if you
have a rope tail on it and when the sail is up there are several turns of
wire onto a mast mounted winch. Also, when you are being hoisted up in the
bosun's chair on a wire halliard you have ample time to consider whether you
did that rope-to-wire splice properly... ( been there, done that, still
here...)



Edgar March 2nd 07 03:53 PM

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"Jeff" wrote in message
...
Each to his own on this. Although I've used messengers on occasion,
I've seen them jump off the sheave and get jammed. There is little
problem sewing the ends of two halyards together, it won't take any
additional diameter. A couple of turns of duct tape makes sure it
stays fair, but I admit I'm always concerned that it would come off at
an inconvenient spot.

I guess I'll have to present these questions to my friendly rigger to
find out what he does.


You make a good point about the need to use a messenger line large enough
not to jump off the sheave. I use a line of about 2mm which is larger than
any clearance than I would tolerate at the sheave. But even so I am always
careful to maintain tension on the messenger throughout the operation as
long as the messenger is on the sheave.




katy March 2nd 07 03:55 PM

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Scotty wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...


Like I said, we've tried that and it wouldn't work..there


is resistance

WIT the tape on, not under general load...at any rate, we


have no

problems with the messenger line techniqwue so will


continue to use that

since it works for us and the other doesn't...



whatever floats your boat.


Water...so far...is there anything else?

katy March 2nd 07 03:58 PM

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Edgar wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...
All our lines are oversized...on purpose...


I am replacing my main halliard at this very moment because before I bought
the boat someone who should have known better used a 14mm rope and forced it
through a stopper at the cockpit which was clearly marked that it wa sized
for 10-12mm rope. Had to use the winch to hoist the sail last year because
of the drag through that stopper. New halliard will be 10mm Spectra. If your
lines come back to the cockpit forget about wire, which is only OK if you
have a rope tail on it and when the sail is up there are several turns of
wire onto a mast mounted winch. Also, when you are being hoisted up in the
bosun's chair on a wire halliard you have ample time to consider whether you
did that rope-to-wire splice properly... ( been there, done that, still
here...)


All our hardware fits the lines so we don't have that problem...we are
going to downsize the jib sheets when they come up for replacement
(soon)...they are jsut too fat...I have broken so many fingers and my
left hand was crushed when I was working with horses, so have lots of
arthritis...the larger lines help....

Edgar March 2nd 07 03:59 PM

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"Scotty" w@u wrote in message
. ..
Ed, I take my halyards home every Winter and clean them.
3/8'' line, sewed them the first few times, now I just tape
them.
Scotty


If that works for you that is fine. I usually do these jobs alone and that
is easy with a messenger. But if I taped the lines and the taping were to
come adrift I would have to find people to haul me up the mast to reeve a
new line and there ae only a few of the people who hang around the marina
that I would trust with that job so I prefer to make sure I do not need
them.



Scotty March 2nd 07 04:11 PM

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"katy" wrote in message
...
Scotty wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...


Like I said, we've tried that and it wouldn't

work..there

is resistance

WIT the tape on, not under general load...at any rate,

we

have no

problems with the messenger line techniqwue so will


continue to use that

since it works for us and the other doesn't...


Lava.


whatever floats your boat.


Water...so far...is there anything else?




Scotty March 2nd 07 04:16 PM

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"katy" wrote in message


All our hardware fits the lines so we don't have that

problem...we are
going to downsize the jib sheets when they come up for

replacement
(soon)...they are jsut too fat...I have broken so many

fingers and my
left hand was crushed when I was working with horses, so

have lots of
arthritis...the larger lines help....


Do you have ST winches? My jib sheets are fat (7/16'' I
think) , but nice and soft. I bought a smaller dia line, but
it didn't hold well in the ST winch. Put the old ones back
on.

Scotty




katy March 2nd 07 06:04 PM

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Scotty wrote:
"katy" wrote in message


All our hardware fits the lines so we don't have that


problem...we are

going to downsize the jib sheets when they come up for


replacement

(soon)...they are jsut too fat...I have broken so many


fingers and my

left hand was crushed when I was working with horses, so


have lots of

arthritis...the larger lines help....



Do you have ST winches? My jib sheets are fat (7/16'' I
think) , but nice and soft. I bought a smaller dia line, but
it didn't hold well in the ST winch. Put the old ones back
on.

Scotty



Ours are almost too fat for the ST winches and sometimes have
problems..that's why going down a notch...and yes, ours are nice and
soft, too...

katy March 2nd 07 06:05 PM

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Scotty wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...

Scotty wrote:

"katy" wrote in message
...


Like I said, we've tried that and it wouldn't


work..there

is resistance


WIT the tape on, not under general load...at any rate,


we

have no


problems with the messenger line techniqwue so will

continue to use that


since it works for us and the other doesn't...



Lava.


whatever floats your boat.



Water...so far...is there anything else?




In Virginia? Would be a leap...now up in Old Thiom's neck of the woods
you might see that...

Capt. JG March 2nd 07 06:08 PM

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"Shaun Van Poecke" wrote in message
...

"Scotty" w@u wrote in message
. ..
Really? Have your tried this?


yelp, twice.

SBV


yelp yelp

shaun


Idiot! It's kelp kelp!

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com




Capt. JG March 2nd 07 06:09 PM

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"Edgar" wrote in message
...

"Jeff" wrote in message
...
Each to his own on this. Although I've used messengers on occasion,
I've seen them jump off the sheave and get jammed. There is little
problem sewing the ends of two halyards together, it won't take any
additional diameter. A couple of turns of duct tape makes sure it
stays fair, but I admit I'm always concerned that it would come off at
an inconvenient spot.

I guess I'll have to present these questions to my friendly rigger to
find out what he does.


You make a good point about the need to use a messenger line large enough
not to jump off the sheave. I use a line of about 2mm which is larger than
any clearance than I would tolerate at the sheave. But even so I am always
careful to maintain tension on the messenger throughout the operation as
long as the messenger is on the sheave.


I have plenty of tension in my life. I don't need any more.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com




Maxprop March 2nd 07 11:15 PM

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 02:21:15 GMT, "Maxprop" wrote:


If you're using the spliced-on shackle on the halyard to secure the
halyard
to your bosun's chair, you're a bigger fool than I've been thinking you
are.
Hope your insurance is paid up.

Max


You are the fool. I know a lot more about this subject than you will ever
know.


I think this must be Jax-off's older (much older) brother. Next he'll be
claiming to be a member of Mensa, too.


Max



Wilbur Hubbard March 2nd 07 11:25 PM

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net...

If you're using the spliced-on shackle on the halyard to secure the
halyard to your bosun's chair, you're a bigger fool than I've been
thinking you are. Hope your insurance is paid up.



Anybody using a bosun's chair at all isn't too bright. A bosun's chair,
while quaint is another "thing of the past." Every serious sailor has
mast steps of one sort or another installed. Serious sailors who know
what they're doing have installed folding mast steps. These don't
represent a snag for halyards or sails and they reduce windage aloft.
This nonsense of winching somebody up in a bosun's chair is repair by
committee. It is a foolish and dangerous act. One man should be able to
make his way safely and unassisted up the mast in all but the roughest
of conditions. Mast steps are the only way one man can do this.

Wilbur Hubbard


Joe March 3rd 07 12:09 AM

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On Mar 2, 5:25 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Maxprop" wrote in message

nk.net...

If you're using the spliced-on shackle on the halyard to secure the
halyard to your bosun's chair, you're a bigger fool than I've been
thinking you are. Hope your insurance is paid up.


Anybody using a bosun's chair at all isn't too bright. A bosun's chair,
while quaint is another "thing of the past." Every serious sailor has
mast steps of one sort or another installed. Serious sailors who know
what they're doing have installed folding mast steps. These don't
represent a snag for halyards or sails and they reduce windage aloft.
This nonsense of winching somebody up in a bosun's chair is repair by
committee. It is a foolish and dangerous act. One man should be able to
make his way safely and unassisted up the mast in all but the roughest
of conditions. Mast steps are the only way one man can do this.

Wilbur Hubbard


I use both if needed.
If I plan to be aloft for a while I bring the chiar even with steps
http://sports.webshots.com/photo/138...63212926ANQKPO

Joe


Wilbur Hubbard March 3rd 07 12:25 AM

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"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Mar 2, 5:25 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Maxprop" wrote in message

nk.net...

If you're using the spliced-on shackle on the halyard to secure the
halyard to your bosun's chair, you're a bigger fool than I've been
thinking you are. Hope your insurance is paid up.


Anybody using a bosun's chair at all isn't too bright. A bosun's
chair,
while quaint is another "thing of the past." Every serious sailor has
mast steps of one sort or another installed. Serious sailors who know
what they're doing have installed folding mast steps. These don't
represent a snag for halyards or sails and they reduce windage aloft.
This nonsense of winching somebody up in a bosun's chair is repair by
committee. It is a foolish and dangerous act. One man should be able
to
make his way safely and unassisted up the mast in all but the
roughest
of conditions. Mast steps are the only way one man can do this.

Wilbur Hubbard


I use both if needed.
If I plan to be aloft for a while I bring the chiar even with steps
http://sports.webshots.com/photo/138...63212926ANQKPO

Joe


That's entirely acceptable. You're using the bosun's chair as a handy
place to keep your tools and supplies and to perhaps rest up a bit. But
you go aloft using the steps and you descend using the steps. For time
consuming or major jobs that's a good way to do them. I have found that
many jobs are of short duration. Things such as removing a defective VHF
antenna and replacing it with a new one, lubing the anemometer sending
unit, straightening the arms on the Windex if a big bird bends them,
cleaning and waxing the standing rigging, lubricating the sheaves,
replacing a burned out steaming light bulb, replacing a topping lift
sheave, etc. etc. I just love seeing yachts with hank-on gennys. Keep
up the good work.

Wilbur Hubbard


Jeff March 3rd 07 12:28 AM

replace mainsail halyard
 
* Wilbur Hubbard wrote, On 3/2/2007 6:25 PM:

"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net...

If you're using the spliced-on shackle on the halyard to secure the
halyard to your bosun's chair, you're a bigger fool than I've been
thinking you are. Hope your insurance is paid up.



Anybody using a bosun's chair at all isn't too bright. A bosun's chair,
while quaint is another "thing of the past." Every serious sailor has
mast steps of one sort or another installed. Serious sailors who know
what they're doing have installed folding mast steps. These don't
represent a snag for halyards or sails and they reduce windage aloft.
This nonsense of winching somebody up in a bosun's chair is repair by
committee. It is a foolish and dangerous act. One man should be able to
make his way safely and unassisted up the mast in all but the roughest
of conditions. Mast steps are the only way one man can do this.

Wilbur Hubbard


All the best riggers have one of these in their tool bag:
http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-6159915.html
(please excuse the ad at the start)

Wilbur Hubbard March 3rd 07 12:32 AM

replace mainsail halyard
 
http://sports.webshots.com/photo/138...63212926yBMEXN

Do you have bow thrusters?

Wilbur Hubbard

Wilbur Hubbard March 3rd 07 12:39 AM

replace mainsail halyard
 

"Jeff" wrote in message
...
* Wilbur Hubbard wrote, On 3/2/2007 6:25 PM:

"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net...

If you're using the spliced-on shackle on the halyard to secure the
halyard to your bosun's chair, you're a bigger fool than I've been
thinking you are. Hope your insurance is paid up.



Anybody using a bosun's chair at all isn't too bright. A bosun's
chair, while quaint is another "thing of the past." Every serious
sailor has mast steps of one sort or another installed. Serious
sailors who know what they're doing have installed folding mast
steps. These don't represent a snag for halyards or sails and they
reduce windage aloft. This nonsense of winching somebody up in a
bosun's chair is repair by committee. It is a foolish and dangerous
act. One man should be able to make his way safely and unassisted up
the mast in all but the roughest of conditions. Mast steps are the
only way one man can do this.

Wilbur Hubbard


All the best riggers have one of these in their tool bag:
http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-6159915.html
(please excuse the ad at the start)


Kewl but it looks like it might be prone to mechanical breakdowns. I'd
rather keep it simple and use a couple Jumar 78s.

Wilbur Hubbard


Wilbur Hubbard March 3rd 07 12:46 AM

replace mainsail halyard
 

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
...

"Jeff" wrote in message
...
* Wilbur Hubbard wrote, On 3/2/2007 6:25 PM:

"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net...

If you're using the spliced-on shackle on the halyard to secure the
halyard to your bosun's chair, you're a bigger fool than I've been
thinking you are. Hope your insurance is paid up.


Anybody using a bosun's chair at all isn't too bright. A bosun's
chair, while quaint is another "thing of the past." Every serious
sailor has mast steps of one sort or another installed. Serious
sailors who know what they're doing have installed folding mast
steps. These don't represent a snag for halyards or sails and they
reduce windage aloft. This nonsense of winching somebody up in a
bosun's chair is repair by committee. It is a foolish and dangerous
act. One man should be able to make his way safely and unassisted up
the mast in all but the roughest of conditions. Mast steps are the
only way one man can do this.

Wilbur Hubbard


All the best riggers have one of these in their tool bag:
http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-6159915.html
(please excuse the ad at the start)


Kewl but it looks like it might be prone to mechanical breakdowns. I'd
rather keep it simple and use a couple Jumar 78s.

Wilbur Hubbard


Here's a good site for comparing ascenders.
http://storrick.cnchost.com/Vertical...ges/HEC39.html
Lot's of different versions to choose from.



Joe March 3rd 07 01:24 AM

replace mainsail halyard
 
On Mar 2, 6:32 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
http://sports.webshots.com/photo/138...63212926yBMEXN

Do you have bow thrusters?

Wilbur Hubbard


No..You don't need a bow thruster on anything under 140' IMO
What you see is the Hawse pipe, in that picture we were racing
downwind so I removed the anchor to reduce drag.
The pipe and doubler you see are all Monel.

Joe


Scotty March 3rd 07 04:00 AM

replace mainsail halyard
 

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in

That's entirely acceptable. You're using the bosun's chair

as a handy
place to keep your tools and supplies and to perhaps rest

up a bit. But
you go aloft using the steps and you descend using the

steps. For time
consuming or major jobs that's a good way to do them. I

have found that
many jobs are of short duration. Things such as removing a

defective VHF
antenna and replacing it with a new one, lubing the

anemometer sending
unit, straightening the arms on the Windex if a big bird

bends them,
cleaning and waxing the standing rigging, lubricating the

sheaves,
replacing a burned out steaming light bulb,


You go through a lot of steaming lights, eh?

Scotty




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