You need to read these logs for a good example of how not to do
things..

http://ipphotos.com/FlyingPig.asp

Joe

"Joe" wrote
You need to read these logs for a good example of how not to do
things..

http://ipphotos.com/FlyingPig.asp


No, I think they did it right. They're all about getting money outta suckers.

"As we sailed further south, the weather got worse, and we were out far
enough in the Gulf that there seemed nothing else to do but go on, on
a reefed mainheet. The seas were 8' and the wind was 20+ knots - just
a mess out there. We set our course to get near the channel marker
that would take us through to Marathon, but which we wouldn't enter
until daylight. Somehow, we were blown off course and in one great
noisy crunch, went from 25 ft depth, (according to the depth finder),
to 4 feet of water in a second, being chewed up by the reef north of
Marathon."

No reefs exist north of Marathon. There is what they call the Yacht Channel from
the Gulf to the Intercoastal waterway. No reefs, just some mud banks. Very shallow.
The Yacht channel takes a funny dog-leg. If you aren't familiar with the way the
lights are placed you end up going aground to the left of the channel. Using the
red right returning rule puts you right on the bank. Find the chart and look at it and
you'll see what I mean.
Those mud banks don't hole a boat. They're soft mud. The whole story probably
is made up..... Donate here, donate here, donate here. Yah right!

Cheers,
Ellen

On Feb 14, 9:10 pm, "Ellen MacArthur"
wrote:
"Joe" wrote

You need to read these logs for a good example of how not to do
things..

http://ipphotos.com/FlyingPig.asp

No, I think they did it right. They're all about getting money outta suckers.

"As we sailed further south, the weather got worse, and we were out far
enough in the Gulf that there seemed nothing else to do but go on, on
a reefed mainheet.

The seas were 8' and the wind was 20+ knots - just
a mess out there.

We set our course to get near the channel marker.......
Somehow, we were blown off course and in one great noisy crunch.....


Im really new to this but isnt 8' seas really really BIG for a 46'
SAILBOAT ? ?
The writer says somehow when she was on watch the boat got blown off
course. How does that happen?
bob

On Feb 15, 2:59 am, "Bob" wrote:
On Feb 14, 9:10 pm, "Ellen MacArthur"
wrote:





"Joe" wrote

You need to read these logs for a good example of how not to do
things..

http://ipphotos.com/FlyingPig.asp

No, I think they did it right. They're all about getting money outta suckers.

"As we sailed further south, the weather got worse, and we were out far
enough in the Gulf that there seemed nothing else to do but go on, on
a reefed mainheet.
The seas were 8' and the wind was 20+ knots - just
a mess out there.
We set our course to get near the channel marker.......
Somehow, we were blown off course and in one great noisy crunch.....

Im really new to this but isnt 8' seas really really BIG for a 46'
SAILBOAT ? ?
The writer says somehow when she was on watch the boat got blown off
course. How does that happen?
bob- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No 8 ft is nothing. They went aground because the woman was below
hugging a pole, while hubby slept. And she was looking at an
electronic charter that she did not know how to read. How anyone can
cruise offshore and not chart a course on a paper chart is beyond me.
All they needed was a 50 dollar GPS and knowledge of how to use it to
keep out of trouble IMO.

Joe

"Bob" wrote
Im really new to this but isnt 8' seas really really BIG for a 46'
SAILBOAT ? ?
The writer says somehow when she was on watch the boat got blown off
course. How does that happen?
bob


They didn't have 8-foot seas. The water north of the Yacht Channel around
the banks. (Springer, Cutter and Schooner banks) is about 10-15 feet deep max.
You have to be way way out in the Gulf to have 25 feet under you in that part
of the Gulf/Florida Bay.
You don't get 8-foot seas in 15 feet of water. Once you get between the
banks you can even anchor. Schooner Bank is even named for the schooners that
used to anchor there in the olden days.
8-foot seas, even if they had them and they didn't I can guarantee it, are
something a 46-foot Morgan should handle with no problem. The writer isn't
a very good sailor. You can tell by the way she writes. She's out of touch with
what sailing's all about. Things happen to her. She doesn't have a clue that she
needs to be in control when she's on watch. Both of them are stupid. You don't
go sailing in those shallow, unfamiliar waters at night. There are plenty of
places where they could have and should have stopped and anchored for the
night. The Little Shark River two hours north of where they went aground is
perfect. Totally sheltered and only a little tidal current in and out to worry
about.

Cheers,
Ellen

"Bob" wrote in message
ps.com...
On Feb 14, 9:10 pm, "Ellen MacArthur"
wrote:
"Joe" wrote

You need to read these logs for a good example of how not to do
things..

http://ipphotos.com/FlyingPig.asp

No, I think they did it right. They're all about getting money outta
suckers.

"As we sailed further south, the weather got worse, and we were out far
enough in the Gulf that there seemed nothing else to do but go on, on
a reefed mainheet.

The seas were 8' and the wind was 20+ knots - just
a mess out there.

We set our course to get near the channel marker.......
Somehow, we were blown off course and in one great noisy crunch.....


Im really new to this but isnt 8' seas really really BIG for a 46'
SAILBOAT ? ?
The writer says somehow when she was on watch the boat got blown off
course. How does that happen?
bob




Eight feet is nothing. We occasionally have 5-6' chop. It would be big for a
20' boat, but not that bad. I haven't been following the "pig" thread, but
I'm betting there's a lot more to it.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

On Feb 15, 12:31 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Bob" wrote in message

ps.com...





On Feb 14, 9:10 pm, "Ellen MacArthur"
wrote:
"Joe" wrote

You need to read these logs for a good example of how not to do
things..

http://ipphotos.com/FlyingPig.asp

No, I think they did it right. They're all about getting money outta
suckers.

"As we sailed further south, the weather got worse, and we were out far
enough in the Gulf that there seemed nothing else to do but go on, on
a reefed mainheet.

The seas were 8' and the wind was 20+ knots - just
a mess out there.

We set our course to get near the channel marker.......
Somehow, we were blown off course and in one great noisy crunch.....

Im really new to this but isnt 8' seas really really BIG for a 46'
SAILBOAT ? ?
The writer says somehow when she was on watch the boat got blown off
course. How does that happen?
bob

Eight feet is nothing. We occasionally have 5-6' chop. It would be big for a
20' boat, but not that bad. I haven't been following the "pig" thread, but
I'm betting there's a lot more to it.

--
"j" ganz - Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You do not need to follow the thread, just read down on the link I
provided and Skip explains how they screwed up.

Joe

"Joe" wrote
You need to read these logs for a good example of how not to do
things..

http://ipphotos.com/FlyingPig.asp


No, I think they did it right. They're all about getting money outta suckers.

"As we sailed further south, the weather got worse, and we were out far
enough in the Gulf that there seemed nothing else to do but go on, on
a reefed mainheet. The seas were 8' and the wind was 20+ knots - just
a mess out there. We set our course to get near the channel marker
that would take us through to Marathon, but which we wouldn't enter
until daylight. Somehow, we were blown off course and in one great
noisy crunch, went from 25 ft depth, (according to the depth finder),
to 4 feet of water in a second, being chewed up by the reef north of
Marathon."

No reefs exist north of Marathon. There is what they call the Yacht Channel from
the Gulf to the Intercoastal waterway. No reefs, just some mud banks. Very shallow.
The Yacht channel takes a funny dog-leg. If you aren't familiar with the way the
lights are placed you end up going aground to the left of the channel. Using the
red right returning rule puts you right on the bank. Find the chart and look at it and
you'll see what I mean.
Those mud banks don't hole a boat. They're soft mud. The whole story probably
is made up..... Donate here, donate here, donate here. Yah right!

Cheers,
Ellen