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Conservatives knew and said it'd never last. Too stupid. Bankrupt from the start as far as ideas went. We told you so...... Cheers, Ellen |
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... On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:38:19 -0500, "Ellen MacArthur" said: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...ramerica1.html Conservatives knew and said it'd never last. Too stupid. Bankrupt from the start as far as ideas went. We told you so...... But hey, Mark Green and his brother are buying it. Talk about losers. Jon, maybe there's still time for you to put together a bunch of your friends to bail it out. I didn't really like it all that much. I only listened a couple of times, far fewer times than I listened to Rush. I don't think fighting arrogance and fear-mongering from the right should be matched in the same way by the left. I think that the public is pretty burned out on the Karl (Actung) Rove/Lee A****er/Carville/etc. tactics (from either side), despite the recent attempts to start it up again (e.g., misleading stuff about Obama as an example from Fox News). We would all be best served by acting in the best interest of the country as a whole, instead of trying to divide it up along single-issue demographics. There will always be people like Neal, Limbaugh, and various people from the left who I'm sure you can name g, angry or greedy and damaged people who would love nothing more than to get everyone else aboard their sinking ship. The best thing to do is to simply ignore them and to move on with the business that's important to us. There will always be disagreements. There will always be areas of friction, but that doesn't mean one has to be mean-spirited about it, using name-calling and hate-filled propaganda, to "get" the other person. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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A clear demonstration of the ideological bankruptcy of the left.
Liberalism needs victims to exist, it will never exist based upon mutual benefit of the parties concerned. Liberalism will never sustain itself in the marketplace of ideas. Air America has demonstrated that. The only place you'll find liberalism is where it is forced down the throats of college students, protected by an archiac tenure system. |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:38:19 -0500, "Ellen MacArthur" said: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...ramerica1.html Conservatives knew and said it'd never last. Too stupid. Bankrupt from the start as far as ideas went. We told you so...... But hey, Mark Green and his brother are buying it. Talk about losers. Jon, maybe there's still time for you to put together a bunch of your friends to bail it out. I didn't really like it all that much. I only listened a couple of times, far fewer times than I listened to Rush. I don't think fighting arrogance and fear-mongering from the right should be matched in the same way by the left. I think that the public is pretty burned out on the Karl (Actung) Rove/Lee A****er/Carville/etc. tactics (from either side), despite the recent attempts to start it up again (e.g., misleading stuff about Obama as an example from Fox News). We would all be best served by acting in the best interest of the country as a whole, instead of trying to divide it up along single-issue demographics. There will always be people like Neal, Limbaugh, and various people from the left who I'm sure you can name g, angry or greedy and damaged people who would love nothing more than to get everyone else aboard their sinking ship. The best thing to do is to simply ignore them and to move on with the business that's important to us. There will always be disagreements. There will always be areas of friction, but that doesn't mean one has to be mean-spirited about it, using name-calling and hate-filled propaganda, to "get" the other person. I think the world would be better off if you took Rish Limbaugh and Howard Stern and put them in a locked cement bunker together for 3 monts...and then level the whole thing... |
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... On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:18:00 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: Jon, maybe there's still time for you to put together a bunch of your friends to bail it out. I didn't really like it all that much. Aw, you're just sore because they stiffed your boy Franken. I always thought Franken was a riot. He sure took down O'Really. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 12:47:05 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: I always thought Franken was a riot. I know. Why do you think I never bothered to try listening to him? Closed mind? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:04:34 -0500, katy said: I think the world would be better off if you took Rish Limbaugh and Howard Stern and put them in a locked cement bunker together for 3 monts...and then level the whole thing... Hey, I've got an alternate set of candidates for that treatment. Maureen Dowd and Ann Coulter. Put all 4 together then...and hope to GOd they don't procreate... |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Dave" wrote in message ... On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 12:47:05 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: I always thought Franken was a riot. I know. Why do you think I never bothered to try listening to him? Closed mind? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Open minded implies lack of principles and uncritical thinking. In fact, it implies no thinking at all. Diane Linkletter - Come fly with me! |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Dave" wrote in message ... On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:38:19 -0500, "Ellen MacArthur" said: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...ramerica1.html Conservatives knew and said it'd never last. Too stupid. Bankrupt from the start as far as ideas went. We told you so...... But hey, Mark Green and his brother are buying it. Talk about losers. Jon, maybe there's still time for you to put together a bunch of your friends to bail it out. I didn't really like it all that much. I only listened a couple of times, far fewer times than I listened to Rush. I don't think fighting arrogance and fear-mongering from the right should be matched in the same way by the left. I think that the public is pretty burned out on the Karl (Actung) Rove/Lee A****er/Carville/etc. tactics (from either side), despite the recent attempts to start it up again (e.g., misleading stuff about Obama as an example from Fox News). We would all be best served by acting in the best interest of the country as a whole, instead of trying to divide it up along single-issue demographics. There will always be people like Neal, Limbaugh, and various people from the left who I'm sure you can name g, angry or greedy and damaged people who would love nothing more than to get everyone else aboard their sinking ship. The best thing to do is to simply ignore them and to move on with the business that's important to us. There will always be disagreements. There will always be areas of friction, but that doesn't mean one has to be mean-spirited about it, using name-calling and hate-filled propaganda, to "get" the other person. Lannie Davis, noted liberal political hack, has released his latest book, "Gotcha Politics," the point of which is that our political system has degenerated to a system of vilifying anyone with whom one disagrees. It's a good book, Jon, well worth the price. And Davis is right--as long as we find it necessary to smear the opponents (Swift Boats, "Bush lied") our political system is headed into the toilet. Already there, perhaps. Max |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:18:00 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: Jon, maybe there's still time for you to put together a bunch of your friends to bail it out. I didn't really like it all that much. Aw, you're just sore because they stiffed your boy Franken. Al Franken stiffed himself. Max |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Dave" wrote in message ... On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 12:47:05 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: I always thought Franken was a riot. I know. Why do you think I never bothered to try listening to him? Closed mind? Uninteresting. Max |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:04:34 -0500, katy said: I think the world would be better off if you took Rish Limbaugh and Howard Stern and put them in a locked cement bunker together for 3 monts...and then level the whole thing... Hey, I've got an alternate set of candidates for that treatment. Maureen Dowd and Ann Coulter. MEOW !!! Max |
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"katy" wrote in message ... Dave wrote: On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:04:34 -0500, katy said: I think the world would be better off if you took Rish Limbaugh and Howard Stern and put them in a locked cement bunker together for 3 monts...and then level the whole thing... Hey, I've got an alternate set of candidates for that treatment. Maureen Dowd and Ann Coulter. Put all 4 together then...and hope to GOd they don't procreate... You're asking for trouble. Max |
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hlink.net... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Dave" wrote in message ... On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 12:47:05 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: I always thought Franken was a riot. I know. Why do you think I never bothered to try listening to him? Closed mind? Uninteresting. Max I guess you never read his books. Your loss. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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link.net... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Dave" wrote in message ... On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:38:19 -0500, "Ellen MacArthur" said: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...ramerica1.html Conservatives knew and said it'd never last. Too stupid. Bankrupt from the start as far as ideas went. We told you so...... But hey, Mark Green and his brother are buying it. Talk about losers. Jon, maybe there's still time for you to put together a bunch of your friends to bail it out. I didn't really like it all that much. I only listened a couple of times, far fewer times than I listened to Rush. I don't think fighting arrogance and fear-mongering from the right should be matched in the same way by the left. I think that the public is pretty burned out on the Karl (Actung) Rove/Lee A****er/Carville/etc. tactics (from either side), despite the recent attempts to start it up again (e.g., misleading stuff about Obama as an example from Fox News). We would all be best served by acting in the best interest of the country as a whole, instead of trying to divide it up along single-issue demographics. There will always be people like Neal, Limbaugh, and various people from the left who I'm sure you can name g, angry or greedy and damaged people who would love nothing more than to get everyone else aboard their sinking ship. The best thing to do is to simply ignore them and to move on with the business that's important to us. There will always be disagreements. There will always be areas of friction, but that doesn't mean one has to be mean-spirited about it, using name-calling and hate-filled propaganda, to "get" the other person. Lannie Davis, noted liberal political hack, has released his latest book, "Gotcha Politics," the point of which is that our political system has degenerated to a system of vilifying anyone with whom one disagrees. It's a good book, Jon, well worth the price. And Davis is right--as long as we find it necessary to smear the opponents (Swift Boats, "Bush lied") our political system is headed into the toilet. Already there, perhaps. Max I'll take a look. Oh, and in case you missed it... Bush *did* lie. He admitted it. g -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message I guess you never read his books. Your loss. Franken is so far left that when he looks left, there is no one out there with, perhaps, the exception of Ward Churchill. I listened to Air America twice, for about fifteen minutes each time, and during those brief periods he said so many completely outrageous, off-the-wall things that I knew he was doomed to failure. Anyone can bloviate like a crazy man, but no one can do so on a syndicated radio show and succeed. As for his books--no thanks. I wasn't aware he wrote more than one, but the one I'm aware of was a dismal failure, like his radio show. Last time I found any redeeming value in Franken was when he was on Saturday Night Live with Tom Davis. He was funny then. "Stuart Smalley" was also a failure. Max |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message I'll take a look. Oh, and in case you missed it... Bush *did* lie. He admitted it. g I wasn't aware of that. Could you kindly provide a website detailing his admission? Max |
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hlink.net... "Capt. JG" wrote in message I'll take a look. Oh, and in case you missed it... Bush *did* lie. He admitted it. g I wasn't aware of that. Could you kindly provide a website detailing his admission? Max He lied and admitted in with respect to Rumsfeld's resignation. Interestingly, Karl (Actung) Rove was probably asleep, since it would have been to Bush's benefit (or at least the Republicans) to tell us about the resignation before the mid-terms. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 18:32:38 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: "Maxprop" wrote in message rthlink.net... "Capt. JG" wrote in message I'll take a look. Oh, and in case you missed it... Bush *did* lie. He admitted it. g I wasn't aware of that. Could you kindly provide a website detailing his admission? He lied and admitted in with respect to Rumsfeld's resignation. Unresponsive to the question. Repeating the same assertion does not prove its truth. Dave's having reading problems. Do you want me to put the following in all caps? He lied and admitted it with respect to Rumsfeld's resignation. Interestingly, Karl (Actung) Rove was probably asleep, since it would have been to Bush's benefit (or at least the Republicans) to tell us about the resignation before the mid-terms. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 19:18:28 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: He lied and admitted in with respect to Rumsfeld's resignation. Unresponsive to the question. Repeating the same assertion does not prove its truth. Dave's having reading problems. Do you want me to put the following in all caps? Putting it in all caps doesn't prove its truth either. Please answer the question Max asked. The question was "Could you kindly provide a website detailing his admission?" Are you and he really incapable of a simple google search? Ok, that was a dumb question. Have at it... http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0061108-2.html -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Maxprop" wrote in message hlink.net... "Capt. JG" wrote in message I'll take a look. Oh, and in case you missed it... Bush *did* lie. He admitted it. g I wasn't aware of that. Could you kindly provide a website detailing his admission? Max He lied and admitted in with respect to Rumsfeld's resignation. How is Rumsfeld's resignation an admission of lying? That sounds like an opinion, not a statement of fact. Max |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Dave" wrote in message ... On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 19:18:28 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: He lied and admitted in with respect to Rumsfeld's resignation. Unresponsive to the question. Repeating the same assertion does not prove its truth. Dave's having reading problems. Do you want me to put the following in all caps? Putting it in all caps doesn't prove its truth either. Please answer the question Max asked. The question was "Could you kindly provide a website detailing his admission?" Are you and he really incapable of a simple google search? Ok, that was a dumb question. Have at it... http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0061108-2.html I read nothing in that article that indicated Bush admitted to lying about anything. Care to quote the exact reference you have in mind? Max |
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hlink.net... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Dave" wrote in message ... On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 19:18:28 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: He lied and admitted in with respect to Rumsfeld's resignation. Unresponsive to the question. Repeating the same assertion does not prove its truth. Dave's having reading problems. Do you want me to put the following in all caps? Putting it in all caps doesn't prove its truth either. Please answer the question Max asked. The question was "Could you kindly provide a website detailing his admission?" Are you and he really incapable of a simple google search? Ok, that was a dumb question. Have at it... http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0061108-2.html I read nothing in that article that indicated Bush admitted to lying about anything. Care to quote the exact reference you have in mind? Max You decide. I guess in your parlance, not telling the truth when asked a direct question isn't a lie. Q Thank you, Mr. President. Last week you told us that Secretary Rumsfeld will be staying on. Why is the timing right now for this, and how much does it have to do with the election results? THE PRESIDENT: Right. No, you and Hunt and Keil came in the Oval Office, and Hunt asked me the question one week before the campaign, and basically it was, are you going to do something about Rumsfeld and the Vice President? And my answer was, they're going to stay on. And the reason why is I didn't want to inject a major decision about this war in the final days of a campaign. And so the only way to answer that question and to get you on to another question was to give you that answer. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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hlink.net... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Maxprop" wrote in message hlink.net... "Capt. JG" wrote in message I'll take a look. Oh, and in case you missed it... Bush *did* lie. He admitted it. g I wasn't aware of that. Could you kindly provide a website detailing his admission? Max He lied and admitted in with respect to Rumsfeld's resignation. How is Rumsfeld's resignation an admission of lying? That sounds like an opinion, not a statement of fact. Max Read it again. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Maxprop" wrote in message hlink.net... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Dave" wrote in message ... On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 19:18:28 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: He lied and admitted in with respect to Rumsfeld's resignation. Unresponsive to the question. Repeating the same assertion does not prove its truth. Dave's having reading problems. Do you want me to put the following in all caps? Putting it in all caps doesn't prove its truth either. Please answer the question Max asked. The question was "Could you kindly provide a website detailing his admission?" Are you and he really incapable of a simple google search? Ok, that was a dumb question. Have at it... http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0061108-2.html I read nothing in that article that indicated Bush admitted to lying about anything. Care to quote the exact reference you have in mind? Max You decide. I guess in your parlance, not telling the truth when asked a direct question isn't a lie. Q Thank you, Mr. President. Last week you told us that Secretary Rumsfeld will be staying on. Why is the timing right now for this, and how much does it have to do with the election results? THE PRESIDENT: Right. No, you and Hunt and Keil came in the Oval Office, and Hunt asked me the question one week before the campaign, and basically it was, are you going to do something about Rumsfeld and the Vice President? And my answer was, they're going to stay on. And the reason why is I didn't want to inject a major decision about this war in the final days of a campaign. And so the only way to answer that question and to get you on to another question was to give you that answer. I guess that could be construed as a lie. And it certainly is much worse than lying to a federal grand jury about having sex with an intern. NOT. Max |
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. net... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Maxprop" wrote in message hlink.net... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Dave" wrote in message ... On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 19:18:28 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: He lied and admitted in with respect to Rumsfeld's resignation. Unresponsive to the question. Repeating the same assertion does not prove its truth. Dave's having reading problems. Do you want me to put the following in all caps? Putting it in all caps doesn't prove its truth either. Please answer the question Max asked. The question was "Could you kindly provide a website detailing his admission?" Are you and he really incapable of a simple google search? Ok, that was a dumb question. Have at it... http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0061108-2.html I read nothing in that article that indicated Bush admitted to lying about anything. Care to quote the exact reference you have in mind? Max You decide. I guess in your parlance, not telling the truth when asked a direct question isn't a lie. Q Thank you, Mr. President. Last week you told us that Secretary Rumsfeld will be staying on. Why is the timing right now for this, and how much does it have to do with the election results? THE PRESIDENT: Right. No, you and Hunt and Keil came in the Oval Office, and Hunt asked me the question one week before the campaign, and basically it was, are you going to do something about Rumsfeld and the Vice President? And my answer was, they're going to stay on. And the reason why is I didn't want to inject a major decision about this war in the final days of a campaign. And so the only way to answer that question and to get you on to another question was to give you that answer. I guess that could be construed as a lie. And it certainly is much worse than lying to a federal grand jury about having sex with an intern. NOT. Max Well,let's put it this way... Clinton lied about a blow job. How many people died as a result. Bush lied about the reasons for war. How many people died. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... Well,let's put it this way... Clinton lied about a blow job. How many people died as a result. Bush lied about the reasons for war. How many people died. So you're saying it's all right to lie in some situations? S |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message Well,let's put it this way... Clinton lied about a blow job. How many people died as a result. Bush lied about the reasons for war. How many people died. I admitted he may have lied about Rumsfeld's resignation, but so far I've seen no evidence--only left-wing diatribe--that he lied about anything w/r/t Iraq. You showed me the evidence I asked for about Rumsfeld--now show me the evidence about his lies w/r/t the Iraq situation. If you can, I'll accept it for what it is. Max |
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"Scotty" w@u wrote in message . .. "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... Well,let's put it this way... Clinton lied about a blow job. How many people died as a result. Bush lied about the reasons for war. How many people died. So you're saying it's all right to lie in some situations? Only if you're a Democrat. Max |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 04:18:21 GMT, "Maxprop" said: I guess that could be construed as a lie. And it certainly is much worse than lying to a federal grand jury about having sex with an intern. NOT. I see you're adopting Jon's standard technique, Max--justifying "bad" behavior by pointing to other bad behavior. Damn. I was hoping no one would notice. Max |
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. .. "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... Well,let's put it this way... Clinton lied about a blow job. How many people died as a result. Bush lied about the reasons for war. How many people died. So you're saying it's all right to lie in some situations? S I'm saying that Clinton lying about a personal issue is of grave importance to his family but of little importance to the nation. I'm saying that lying about the reasons for going to war are of grave importance to the people who do the fighting. Do you think the two are equal? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 10:31:42 -0500, "Scotty" w@u said: So you're saying it's all right to lie in some situations? Jon is about to assert the "everybody does it" defense, Scotty. Bzzzt. I asserted that there's a huge difference. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote So you're saying it's all right to lie in some situations? S I'm saying that Clinton lying about a personal issue is of grave importance to his family but of little importance to the nation. I'm saying that lying about the reasons for going to war are of grave importance to the people who do the fighting. So you *would* trust somebody that lied to his family? Capt SV |
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hlink.net... "Capt. JG" wrote in message Well,let's put it this way... Clinton lied about a blow job. How many people died as a result. Bush lied about the reasons for war. How many people died. I admitted he may have lied about Rumsfeld's resignation, but so far I've seen no evidence--only left-wing diatribe--that he lied about anything w/r/t Iraq. You showed me the evidence I asked for about Rumsfeld--now show me the evidence about his lies w/r/t the Iraq situation. If you can, I'll accept it for what it is. Max In 2006 State of the Union he cited Iraq and Afganistan as examples of "the great story of our time" - the adance of freedom. He proclaimed that the number of democracies in the world had increased from about two dozen at the end of 1945 to 122 today, but he didn't mention that neither country was counted as such by the organization whose stats he was touting. - A lie of omission and obfuscation. He accurately asserted that the economy gained 4.6 mill new jobs in the previous 2.5 years, but failed to note that it had lost 2.6 mill in his first 2.5 years in office. - A lie of omission and obfuscation. In March 2003 he insisted that it was "a matter of fact" that the coalition included more nations than the alliance assempled by his father. Most were a reluctant bunch, which included the Poles who didn't want to be there, the Italians who wouldn't get out of their vehicles, the Japanese who wouldn't patrol and wouldn't even guard there own perimeter. - A lie of obfuscation and wishful thinking. In June 2004 when asked about Ahmad Chalabi, Bush acted as if he barely new the man's name. "Chalabi? My meetings with him were very brief." "I think I met with him a tthe State of the Union and just kind of working through the rope line, and he might have come with a group of leaders, but I haven't had any extensive conversations with him. Chalabi was listed by the White House as a "special guest" of Laura's and sat directly behind her at the SofU. - A lie of ommision at least. After the Dems won back the houses of Congress, Bush said that "Democrats are going to support our troops just like Republicans will." Those statements where at odds with his campaign rhetoric from just days before when he said regarding Iraq, that if the Democrats vision were to prevail, "the terrorists win and America loses." - A lie either first or second. Bush: "Gosh, I just don't think I ever said I'm not worried about Osama bin Laden. It's kind of those exaggerations." - Seems like a lie to me. Bush: "We have found the weapons of mass destruction." The Army has found no evidence of such weapons. - No lie there. And, I could go on and on of course. :-) -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... "Capt. JG" wrote So you're saying it's all right to lie in some situations? S I'm saying that Clinton lying about a personal issue is of grave importance to his family but of little importance to the nation. I'm saying that lying about the reasons for going to war are of grave importance to the people who do the fighting. So you *would* trust somebody that lied to his family? Capt SV More than someone who lied to millions. Yes. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Maxprop" wrote in message hlink.net... "Capt. JG" wrote in message Well,let's put it this way... Clinton lied about a blow job. How many people died as a result. Bush lied about the reasons for war. How many people died. I admitted he may have lied about Rumsfeld's resignation, but so far I've seen no evidence--only left-wing diatribe--that he lied about anything w/r/t Iraq. You showed me the evidence I asked for about Rumsfeld--now show me the evidence about his lies w/r/t the Iraq situation. If you can, I'll accept it for what it is. Max In 2006 State of the Union he cited Iraq and Afganistan as examples of "the great story of our time" - the adance of freedom. He proclaimed that the number of democracies in the world had increased from about two dozen at the end of 1945 to 122 today, but he didn't mention that neither country was counted as such by the organization whose stats he was touting. - A lie of omission and obfuscation. He accurately asserted that the economy gained 4.6 mill new jobs in the previous 2.5 years, but failed to note that it had lost 2.6 mill in his first 2.5 years in office. - A lie of omission and obfuscation. In March 2003 he insisted that it was "a matter of fact" that the coalition included more nations than the alliance assempled by his father. Most were a reluctant bunch, which included the Poles who didn't want to be there, the Italians who wouldn't get out of their vehicles, the Japanese who wouldn't patrol and wouldn't even guard there own perimeter. - A lie of obfuscation and wishful thinking. In June 2004 when asked about Ahmad Chalabi, Bush acted as if he barely new the man's name. "Chalabi? My meetings with him were very brief." "I think I met with him a tthe State of the Union and just kind of working through the rope line, and he might have come with a group of leaders, but I haven't had any extensive conversations with him. Chalabi was listed by the White House as a "special guest" of Laura's and sat directly behind her at the SofU. - A lie of ommision at least. After the Dems won back the houses of Congress, Bush said that "Democrats are going to support our troops just like Republicans will." Those statements where at odds with his campaign rhetoric from just days before when he said regarding Iraq, that if the Democrats vision were to prevail, "the terrorists win and America loses." - A lie either first or second. Bush: "Gosh, I just don't think I ever said I'm not worried about Osama bin Laden. It's kind of those exaggerations." - Seems like a lie to me. Bush: "We have found the weapons of mass destruction." The Army has found no evidence of such weapons. - No lie there. And, I could go on and on of course. :-) You could, but don't bother. So far I'm unconvinced of any deliberate lies. W is a political hack, and political hacks tend to paint the picture in their favor. If that is lying, one can conclude that all politicians are liars. Max Max |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 17:32:37 GMT, "Maxprop" said: If you can, I'll accept it for what it is. Surely you know, Max that when the Democrats spin it's simply an excess of patriotic enthusiasm. When the Republicans spin it's lying. The difference is that Democrats have only our best interests at heart. The GOP is out to screw whomever they can, provided they can get away with it. (from the book of Jon: 1-13) Max |
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hlink.net... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Maxprop" wrote in message hlink.net... "Capt. JG" wrote in message Well,let's put it this way... Clinton lied about a blow job. How many people died as a result. Bush lied about the reasons for war. How many people died. I admitted he may have lied about Rumsfeld's resignation, but so far I've seen no evidence--only left-wing diatribe--that he lied about anything w/r/t Iraq. You showed me the evidence I asked for about Rumsfeld--now show me the evidence about his lies w/r/t the Iraq situation. If you can, I'll accept it for what it is. Max In 2006 State of the Union he cited Iraq and Afganistan as examples of "the great story of our time" - the adance of freedom. He proclaimed that the number of democracies in the world had increased from about two dozen at the end of 1945 to 122 today, but he didn't mention that neither country was counted as such by the organization whose stats he was touting. - A lie of omission and obfuscation. He accurately asserted that the economy gained 4.6 mill new jobs in the previous 2.5 years, but failed to note that it had lost 2.6 mill in his first 2.5 years in office. - A lie of omission and obfuscation. In March 2003 he insisted that it was "a matter of fact" that the coalition included more nations than the alliance assempled by his father. Most were a reluctant bunch, which included the Poles who didn't want to be there, the Italians who wouldn't get out of their vehicles, the Japanese who wouldn't patrol and wouldn't even guard there own perimeter. - A lie of obfuscation and wishful thinking. In June 2004 when asked about Ahmad Chalabi, Bush acted as if he barely new the man's name. "Chalabi? My meetings with him were very brief." "I think I met with him a tthe State of the Union and just kind of working through the rope line, and he might have come with a group of leaders, but I haven't had any extensive conversations with him. Chalabi was listed by the White House as a "special guest" of Laura's and sat directly behind her at the SofU. - A lie of ommision at least. After the Dems won back the houses of Congress, Bush said that "Democrats are going to support our troops just like Republicans will." Those statements where at odds with his campaign rhetoric from just days before when he said regarding Iraq, that if the Democrats vision were to prevail, "the terrorists win and America loses." - A lie either first or second. Bush: "Gosh, I just don't think I ever said I'm not worried about Osama bin Laden. It's kind of those exaggerations." - Seems like a lie to me. Bush: "We have found the weapons of mass destruction." The Army has found no evidence of such weapons. - No lie there. And, I could go on and on of course. :-) You could, but don't bother. So far I'm unconvinced of any deliberate lies. W is a political hack, and political hacks tend to paint the picture in their favor. If that is lying, one can conclude that all politicians are liars. Max Max All politician ARE liars. So why single out Clinton for lying about something that is in the scheme of things unimportant to the safety and security of the country? Bush's lies are far more serious and deadly. You could argue that FDR was lying at an ever greater scale, but at least he saw the threat. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 17:32:37 GMT, "Maxprop" said: If you can, I'll accept it for what it is. Surely you know, Max that when the Democrats spin it's simply an excess of patriotic enthusiasm. When the Republicans spin it's lying. Is this your assertion? It certainly isn't mine. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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hlink.net... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Maxprop" wrote in message hlink.net... "Capt. JG" wrote in message Well,let's put it this way... Clinton lied about a blow job. How many people died as a result. Bush lied about the reasons for war. How many people died. I admitted he may have lied about Rumsfeld's resignation, but so far I've seen no evidence--only left-wing diatribe--that he lied about anything w/r/t Iraq. You showed me the evidence I asked for about Rumsfeld--now show me the evidence about his lies w/r/t the Iraq situation. If you can, I'll accept it for what it is. Max In 2006 State of the Union he cited Iraq and Afganistan as examples of "the great story of our time" - the adance of freedom. He proclaimed that the number of democracies in the world had increased from about two dozen at the end of 1945 to 122 today, but he didn't mention that neither country was counted as such by the organization whose stats he was touting. - A lie of omission and obfuscation. He accurately asserted that the economy gained 4.6 mill new jobs in the previous 2.5 years, but failed to note that it had lost 2.6 mill in his first 2.5 years in office. - A lie of omission and obfuscation. In March 2003 he insisted that it was "a matter of fact" that the coalition included more nations than the alliance assempled by his father. Most were a reluctant bunch, which included the Poles who didn't want to be there, the Italians who wouldn't get out of their vehicles, the Japanese who wouldn't patrol and wouldn't even guard there own perimeter. - A lie of obfuscation and wishful thinking. In June 2004 when asked about Ahmad Chalabi, Bush acted as if he barely new the man's name. "Chalabi? My meetings with him were very brief." "I think I met with him a tthe State of the Union and just kind of working through the rope line, and he might have come with a group of leaders, but I haven't had any extensive conversations with him. Chalabi was listed by the White House as a "special guest" of Laura's and sat directly behind her at the SofU. - A lie of ommision at least. After the Dems won back the houses of Congress, Bush said that "Democrats are going to support our troops just like Republicans will." Those statements where at odds with his campaign rhetoric from just days before when he said regarding Iraq, that if the Democrats vision were to prevail, "the terrorists win and America loses." - A lie either first or second. Bush: "Gosh, I just don't think I ever said I'm not worried about Osama bin Laden. It's kind of those exaggerations." - Seems like a lie to me. Bush: "We have found the weapons of mass destruction." The Army has found no evidence of such weapons. - No lie there. And, I could go on and on of course. :-) You could, but don't bother. So far I'm unconvinced of any deliberate lies. Wow... this is a shocker. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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