On Feb 1, 12:20 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
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oups.com...





Bet it had a keel smile,

Hey Joe... what does that statement mean? As a layperson I'm just
not familiar with that term?

Wow... don't know the guy, but..

Jonathan... today... Latitude 38 had a pretty good presentation of
what
the situation is and the victim envolved.. and the measures that have
been
undertaken by the "coasties" S&R measures... which seemed kind of
thorough.

Since your are a local... at this particular hour... what is now
your take on
this dilemma?

Bill

I just re-read the article, and it's even more strange, given the benign
conditions... 4 ft seas are *nothing*, especially with light air. Either
this some kind of deliberate mis-adventure or it was something catastrophic,
but then there was no debris found. I suppose that's possible given the size
of the search grid, but it seems hard to believe.

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If he hit a potato (in the patch) it ripped off the bolted on keel
and he sunk in just a few seconds. On top of that he was tethered to
the boat and was pulled down with her. Thats my guess. With such light
winds he was motoring at full speed.

Joe

Joe wrote:


If he hit a potato (in the patch) it ripped off the bolted on keel
and he sunk in just a few seconds. On top of that he was tethered to
the boat and was pulled down with her. Thats my guess. With such light
winds he was motoring at full speed.

I don't think that C&C 40 _without_ a keel would sink all that fast.

Cheers
Marty

On Feb 1, 9:10 am, Martin Baxter wrote:
Joe wrote:

If he hit a potato (in the patch) it ripped off the bolted on keel
and he sunk in just a few seconds. On top of that he was tethered to
the boat and was pulled down with her. Thats my guess. With such light
winds he was motoring at full speed.

I don't think that C&C 40 _without_ a keel would sink all that fast.

Cheers
Marty

Well a 2'X8' hole in the bottom of most boats would sink them in a
matter of a few seconds. The C&C 40 has no type of foam floatation,
ect. I think it would go down like a rock. Not a bad looking boat, but
IMO a Pearson 40 is a better boat if you are looking for that type of
boat.

Joe

Joe wrote:



Well a 2'X8' hole in the bottom of most boats would sink them in a
matter of a few seconds. The C&C 40 has no type of foam floatation,
ect. I think it would go down like a rock. Not a bad looking boat, but
IMO a Pearson 40 is a better boat if you are looking for that type of
boat.

A 2' x 8' hole! Were did you get that from?

Cheers
Marty

On Feb 1, 11:23 am, Martin Baxter wrote:
Joe wrote:

Well a 2'X8' hole in the bottom of most boats would sink them in a
matter of a few seconds. The C&C 40 has no type of foam floatation,
ect. I think it would go down like a rock. Not a bad looking boat, but
IMO a Pearson 40 is a better boat if you are looking for that type of
boat.

A 2' x 8' hole! Were did you get that from?

The fin keel on a C&C 40 is approx 8' long and 1.5' wide. when the C&C
hits something it rips the hole thing off starting at the smile
working aft. Add 6" on each side of the thin hull that gets ripped of
with it. Just a guesstimate.

Joe



Cheers
Marty

On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 09:21:38 -0500, Joe wrote
(in article .com):

On Feb 1, 11:23 am, Martin Baxter wrote:
Joe wrote:

Well a 2'X8' hole in the bottom of most boats would sink them in a
matter of a few seconds. The C&C 40 has no type of foam floatation,
ect. I think it would go down like a rock. Not a bad looking boat, but
IMO a Pearson 40 is a better boat if you are looking for that type of
boat.

A 2' x 8' hole! Were did you get that from?

The fin keel on a C&C 40 is approx 8' long and 1.5' wide. when the C&C
hits something it rips the hole thing off starting at the smile
working aft. Add 6" on each side of the thin hull that gets ripped of
with it. Just a guesstimate.

Joe



Cheers
Marty



Yep that will ruin your day....I have been on the water for 38 years and
never heard of such a load of crap..... Are you a conspiracist as well?

--
Mundo, The Captain who is a bully and an ass

On Feb 3, 8:41 am, Mundo wrote:
On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 09:21:38 -0500, Joe wrote
(in article .com):





On Feb 1, 11:23 am, Martin Baxter wrote:
Joe wrote:

Well a 2'X8' hole in the bottom of most boats would sink them in a
matter of a few seconds. The C&C 40 has no type of foam floatation,
ect. I think it would go down like a rock. Not a bad looking boat, but
IMO a Pearson 40 is a better boat if you are looking for that type of
boat.

A 2' x 8' hole! Were did you get that from?

The fin keel on a C&C 40 is approx 8' long and 1.5' wide. when the C&C
hits something it rips the hole thing off starting at the smile
working aft. Add 6" on each side of the thin hull that gets ripped of
with it. Just a guesstimate.

Joe

Cheers
Marty

Yep that will ruin your day....I have been on the water for 38 years and
never heard of such a load of crap..... Are you a conspiracist as well?

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I found this on the net:

The S.S. Iole

In September a severe Channel gale dismasted her and caused her other
damage. Refitted, the Iole set out again early in the year with Major
Thomas Blandy as commander and Captain " Sailor " Fielder as
navigating officer, but when entering the Humber on Saturday 19th June
she ran on a sandbank; the tide was so violent that her keel was torn
off and she sank immediately. All hands were saved, but they lost
their belongings.

Jon spoke of the Potato patch, combined with SF's fierce tides, and a
faulty keel design it's a big possiablilty IMO.

I still think he was T-bone by an outbound ship. Microsoft is
reviewing satt. images looking for Gray, and at ships in the area at
the time. I'm sure they have people around the globe cheaking ship
bows for traces of red fiberglass or fresh paint damage.

Joe

Joe wrote:
On Feb 1, 11:23 am, Martin Baxter wrote:

Joe wrote:


Well a 2'X8' hole in the bottom of most boats would sink them in a
matter of a few seconds. The C&C 40 has no type of foam floatation,
ect. I think it would go down like a rock. Not a bad looking boat, but
IMO a Pearson 40 is a better boat if you are looking for that type of
boat.

A 2' x 8' hole! Were did you get that from?


The fin keel on a C&C 40 is approx 8' long and 1.5' wide. when the C&C
hits something it rips the hole thing off starting at the smile
working aft. Add 6" on each side of the thin hull that gets ripped of
with it. Just a guesstimate.

Joe



Cheers
Marty



I knew someone who sailed all the way back from the Carib. to Michigan
in a 40' CandC, with the smile, after he had hit a reef there....the
smile was quite extensive and the repair job took awhile, but the damage
to the underside did not warrant him scuttling the trip back with the
boat. I also knew someone with a 46' CandC who hit a rock hard in the
St. Mary's River up between the lower and upper Peninsula of MI and they
,made it back to White Lake, Mi without taking on water or further
damage...the whole keel does not rip off...it was a design flaw and is
correctable and IMO, worth correcting because they are excellent
boats...we considered CandC's but they are a little bleak in the
downstairs department...not a lot of wood, which we like in an interior...

"katy" wrote in message
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Joe wrote:
On Feb 1, 11:23 am, Martin Baxter wrote:

Joe wrote:


Well a 2'X8' hole in the bottom of most boats would sink them in a
matter of a few seconds. The C&C 40 has no type of foam floatation,
ect. I think it would go down like a rock. Not a bad looking boat, but
IMO a Pearson 40 is a better boat if you are looking for that type of
boat.

A 2' x 8' hole! Were did you get that from?


The fin keel on a C&C 40 is approx 8' long and 1.5' wide. when the C&C
hits something it rips the hole thing off starting at the smile
working aft. Add 6" on each side of the thin hull that gets ripped of
with it. Just a guesstimate.

Joe



Cheers
Marty



I knew someone who sailed all the way back from the Carib. to Michigan in
a 40' CandC, with the smile, after he had hit a reef there....the smile
was quite extensive and the repair job took awhile, but the damage to the
underside did not warrant him scuttling the trip back with the boat. I
also knew someone with a 46' CandC who hit a rock hard in the St. Mary's
River up between the lower and upper Peninsula of MI and they ,made it
back to White Lake, Mi without taking on water or further damage...the
whole keel does not rip off...it was a design flaw and is correctable and
IMO, worth correcting because they are excellent boats...we considered
CandC's but they are a little bleak in the downstairs department...not a
lot of wood, which we like in an interior...


I've sailed in the bay and to the Farallons on a C&C 40, early 80s version,
and in not that great shape.. certainly not as nice a one as Gray, and it
was a very sturdy boat. I would have no hesitation in taking one coastal
cruising in these waters, all things being equal.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote
The fin keel on a C&C 40 is approx 8' long and 1.5' wide. when the C&C
hits something it rips the hole thing off starting at the smile
working aft. Add 6" on each side of the thin hull that gets ripped of
with it. Just a guesstimate.

Duh! Not very bright for a guess. Don't they use some big bolts to hold the keel
on? Don't they use fiberglass thicker than anything to bolt it to. If you hit the keel
hard enough to knock it clean off you'd break the bolts before you'd rip the
whole bottom of the boat off. You gotta think of the forces that happen. They
won't try to pull the keel down. They'll try to stop it in its tracks. But the hull
will try to keep going. The bow will go down almost to the deck and the water
will absorb most of the shock.
How fast can that boat go? Maybe seven or eight knots? If the keel hit
a solid rock going that slow it would just bounce back after hitting it.
Nope, it's an insurance scam for life insurance. The guy worked for Microsoft.
He's probably got a huge life insurance policy and a giant retirement plan his
wife's now gonna get. You watch. You'll see I'm right. Somebody needs to ask
the neighbors if they saw anybody loading lots of groceries on the boat.
I was right about that Democrat senator who's practically a vegetable wasn't
I. But I cheated on that one. I had inside info. This time I'm just using my intuition.

Cheers,
Ellen