I still think he was T-boned by an outbound ship.

Your conclusion makes sense . But Joe what perplexes me is...
wouldn't some sort of debris be evident as a result?

I am also quite curious as to what Jonathan has *recently* heard
from the locals... since this tragedy took place in his "front
yard"
so to speak.

I'm almost certain his sailing community is awash with various
theories.

Also... the CG's Northern California deputy sector commander
Captain Swatland is also very stymied by this event. I think he said
something to the effect that he personally doesn't remember anything
happening like this in his 20 plus years career.

Bill

wrote in message
oups.com...
I still think he was T-boned by an outbound ship.

Your conclusion makes sense . But Joe what perplexes me is...
wouldn't some sort of debris be evident as a result?

I am also quite curious as to what Jonathan has *recently* heard
from the locals... since this tragedy took place in his "front
yard"
so to speak.

I'm almost certain his sailing community is awash with various
theories.

Also... the CG's Northern California deputy sector commander
Captain Swatland is also very stymied by this event. I think he said
something to the effect that he personally doesn't remember anything
happening like this in his 20 plus years career.

Bill




Yes, you're right on all counts... there should be debris. There is none so
far. The local community is awash with rumors, nothing solid.


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"Joe" wrote
The fin keel on a C&C 40 is approx 8' long and 1.5' wide. when the C&C
hits something it rips the hole thing off starting at the smile
working aft. Add 6" on each side of the thin hull that gets ripped of
with it. Just a guesstimate.

Duh! Not very bright for a guess. Don't they use some big bolts to hold the keel
on? Don't they use fiberglass thicker than anything to bolt it to. If you hit the keel
hard enough to knock it clean off you'd break the bolts before you'd rip the
whole bottom of the boat off. You gotta think of the forces that happen. They
won't try to pull the keel down. They'll try to stop it in its tracks. But the hull
will try to keep going. The bow will go down almost to the deck and the water
will absorb most of the shock.
How fast can that boat go? Maybe seven or eight knots? If the keel hit
a solid rock going that slow it would just bounce back after hitting it.
Nope, it's an insurance scam for life insurance. The guy worked for Microsoft.
He's probably got a huge life insurance policy and a giant retirement plan his
wife's now gonna get. You watch. You'll see I'm right. Somebody needs to ask
the neighbors if they saw anybody loading lots of groceries on the boat.
I was right about that Democrat senator who's practically a vegetable wasn't
I. But I cheated on that one. I had inside info. This time I'm just using my intuition.

Cheers,
Ellen

On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 09:21:38 -0500, Joe wrote
(in article .com):

On Feb 1, 11:23 am, Martin Baxter wrote:
Joe wrote:

Well a 2'X8' hole in the bottom of most boats would sink them in a
matter of a few seconds. The C&C 40 has no type of foam floatation,
ect. I think it would go down like a rock. Not a bad looking boat, but
IMO a Pearson 40 is a better boat if you are looking for that type of
boat.

A 2' x 8' hole! Were did you get that from?

The fin keel on a C&C 40 is approx 8' long and 1.5' wide. when the C&C
hits something it rips the hole thing off starting at the smile
working aft. Add 6" on each side of the thin hull that gets ripped of
with it. Just a guesstimate.

Joe



Cheers
Marty



I skippered a Bowman 57 for a # of years and the owner wanted to gunkhole out
towards the canadian border up a deep when the tide was i but a little narrow
when it was out "fiord". On the way out in the morning in dense fog using the
radar and loran we tore the side of the keel open on a ledge. All of a sudden
there was this loud hissing sound. After a thorough and quick inspection I
determined that we had ripped the holding tank open. They built them into the
keel on that boat. Owner left and I spent ten days at hinckly yard. Damage
repaired.

--
Mundo, The Captain who is a bully and an ass

I skippered a Bowman 57 for a # of years and the owner wanted to gunkhole
out
towards the canadian border up a deep when the tide was i but a little
narrow
when it was out "fiord". On the way out in the morning in dense fog using
the
radar and loran we tore the side of the keel open on a ledge. All of a
sudden
there was this loud hissing sound. After a thorough and quick inspection I
determined that we had ripped the holding tank open. They built them into
the
keel on that boat. Owner left and I spent ten days at hinckly yard. Damage
repaired.

--
Mundo, The Captain who is a bully and an ass


Bowman 57

wow nice boat!

NH_/)_
www.sailirc.net

On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 16:56:00 -0500, sailirc wrote
(in article Qx7xh.4117$h75.3974@trnddc01):



I skippered a Bowman 57 for a # of years and the owner wanted to gunkhole
out
towards the canadian border up a deep when the tide was i but a little
narrow
when it was out "fiord". On the way out in the morning in dense fog using
the
radar and loran we tore the side of the keel open on a ledge. All of a
sudden
there was this loud hissing sound. After a thorough and quick inspection I
determined that we had ripped the holding tank open. They built them into
the
keel on that boat. Owner left and I spent ten days at hinckly yard. Damage
repaired.

--
Mundo, The Captain who is a bully and an ass


Bowman 57

wow nice boat!

NH_/)_
www.sailirc.net



Great Boat. I did to full (back and forth) trans atlantics and up and down
east coast a dozen times. One of my favorite charges... I have only captained
one other boat I would rather own. Nordhavn 62. I did a delivery to the V.I's
Last year. Wow. Mini ship!

--
Mundo, The Captain who is a bully and an ass

Great Boat. I did to full (back and forth) trans atlantics and up and down
east coast a dozen times. One of my favorite charges... I have only
captained
one other boat I would rather own. Nordhavn 62. I did a delivery to the
V.I's
Last year. Wow. Mini ship!

--
Mundo, The Captain who is a bully and an ass


What footage is it to be classified as a yacht 60ft?

--
NH_/)_
www.sailirc.net

On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:23:36 -0500, sailirc wrote
(in article IX7xh.8816$VY5.5727@trnddc08):


Great Boat. I did to full (back and forth) trans atlantics and up and down
east coast a dozen times. One of my favorite charges... I have only
captained
one other boat I would rather own. Nordhavn 62. I did a delivery to the
V.I's
Last year. Wow. Mini ship!

--
Mundo, The Captain who is a bully and an ass


What footage is it to be classified as a yacht 60ft?



Don't really care.
I seem to remember that a yacht held a dinghy, a boat held a yacht, and a
ship carried a boat. I'm sure that is wrong but you get the idea.

--
Mundo, The Captain who is a bully and an ass

don't worry I will find the answer and post it

--
NH_/)_
www.sailirc.net

"Mundo" wrote in message
. net...
On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:23:36 -0500, sailirc wrote
(in article IX7xh.8816$VY5.5727@trnddc08):


Great Boat. I did to full (back and forth) trans atlantics and up and
down
east coast a dozen times. One of my favorite charges... I have only
captained
one other boat I would rather own. Nordhavn 62. I did a delivery to the
V.I's
Last year. Wow. Mini ship!

--
Mundo, The Captain who is a bully and an ass


What footage is it to be classified as a yacht 60ft?



Don't really care.
I seem to remember that a yacht held a dinghy, a boat held a yacht, and a
ship carried a boat. I'm sure that is wrong but you get the idea.

--
Mundo, The Captain who is a bully and an ass

--
NH_/)_
www.sailirc.net

"Mundo" wrote in message
. net...
On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:23:36 -0500, sailirc wrote
(in article IX7xh.8816$VY5.5727@trnddc08):


Great Boat. I did to full (back and forth) trans atlantics and up and
down
east coast a dozen times. One of my favorite charges... I have only
captained
one other boat I would rather own. Nordhavn 62. I did a delivery to the
V.I's
Last year. Wow. Mini ship!

--
Mundo, The Captain who is a bully and an ass


What footage is it to be classified as a yacht 60ft?



Don't really care.
I seem to remember that a yacht held a dinghy, a boat held a yacht, and a
ship carried a boat. I'm sure that is wrong but you get the idea.

--

This is what I found then I also found that the cutoff is 100ft then its a
small ship so who knows


Used to be a 3 masted, square rigged vessel was a ship, in the 19th C. Prior
to that description may have had lots to do with the hull of the vessel
distinguishing from a Flyut, a Cat, Frigate, or Sloop ( all of them could
have been square rigged on 3 masts - from the 17th to 18th cent.
Ships were technically classed if they were powered, and the means of
propulsion, ( MV ( motor vessel ) vs SS, ( Steam Ship) and many MVs are
large cargo carriers that would be categorized as a ship in addition to
being tow boats, or tug boats and a wide number of other types as well.
Of late FV denotes a fishing vessel .

The British Navy rated their ships by not just rig but also by decks and the
number of guns they carried, thus a 3 masted square rigged single decked
vessel is technically a sloop.
A two decked vessel would be a frigate. or maybe not. and then you get into
the rates, 6th rate, 5th rate, and so on.

I guess its a matter of size and power but I have often wondered
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NH_/)_
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