"Joe" wrote in message
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We were all very pleased until we found out the company
got 1.5
million for the cable.


Sounds generous to me, if you were an employee.

Scotty

On Jan 24, 8:33 am, "Scotty" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in ooglegroups.com..
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We were all very pleased until we found out the company
got 1.5
million for the cable.Sounds generous to me, if you were an employee.

Scotty

I would consider 50% generous and 33.3% to be divided by the crew
fair, less than 1% for the entire crew ****ty. We were under no
obligation to salvage.

We all swore if it happened again, we would all quit, rent a semi
truck off load at a city dock, and sell it ourself's. Chances of
finding two cables are like finding two needles in a hay stack ;0(

Joe

"Joe" wrote in message
ps.com...


We were all very pleased until we found out the
company
got 1.5
million for the cable.Sounds generous to me, if you
were an employee.

Scotty

I would consider 50% generous and 33.3% to be divided by
the crew
fair, less than 1% for the entire crew ****ty. We were
under no
obligation to salvage.


When the boat gets damaged, do you pay for 33% of the repair
bill?

Scotty

On Jan 24, 10:26 am, "Scotty" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in glegroups.com...



We were all very pleased until we found out the
company
got 1.5
million for the cable.Sounds generous to me, if you
were an employee.

Scotty

I would consider 50% generous and 33.3% to be divided by
the crew
fair, less than 1% for the entire crew ****ty. We were
under no
obligation to salvage.When the boat gets damaged, do you pay for 33% of the repair
bill?

We are not talking about our job, or the work we were hired to do. We
went above and beyond for the company. It was a windfall for the
company due to our extra efforts. If I handed you a 1.5 million
dollars, because when I was driving your truck, I picked up howard
hughes hitchhicking ...how much would you give me? Keep in mind I did
not have to tell you squat.

Joe





Scotty

Joe wrote:

On Jan 24, 8:33 am, "Scotty" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in ooglegroups.com..
.



We were all very pleased until we found out the company
got 1.5
million for the cable.Sounds generous to me, if you were an employee.

Scotty

I would consider 50% generous and 33.3% to be divided by the crew
fair, less than 1% for the entire crew ****ty. We were under no
obligation to salvage.

Jeeze Joe, you live in the most litigious country on the planet, you
should have sued. Just because you used company equipment, and did it on
company time, shouldn't mean that the company owns what you recovered.
Try using that argument on De Beers.

Cheers
Marty

Joe wrote:

On Jan 24, 7:06 am, Jeff wrote:
Wouldn't you have a problem if you sailed away from a
situation where there was loss of life?


Good question Jeff, I wondered the same. As a salvor on location it
would seem you would have to stay while there is any risk to life.
However if the boat vessel refuses help and you feel you are in risk by
staying, then I.m sure you have the right and duty to save your vessel
and crew.


The problem with a Lloyd's contract is that the arbitration must be
done in London under British laws, at the likely expense of the boat
owner. Any small boat salvor who requires it in the US is not to be
trusted.

I'm sure there are 100's of lawers that work for non-english companies
all the time. I also imagine Lloyds is fair, faster, and deals with
99.9 percent of the worlds salvor atributions.

It doesn't work very well for small claims; that's why Boat/US doesn't
like it.


The difference of our opinion's probly arise because we are thinking
on different levels.

I'm thinking on the level of a small yacht owner, like almost everyone
here.

On Jan 24, 11:42 am, Jeff wrote:


The difference of our opinion's probly arise because we are thinking
on different levels.

I'm thinking on the level of a small yacht owner, like almost everyone

With the recent "Salvaging or Scavenging" on the British shore I
assumed we were discussing salvage in general, and specifically the
beached booty. Only jon brought up small craft towing, guess because he
has that endorsement on his ticket. When he told me he had a towing
endorsement I thought he had a freight and towing
endorsement...bwahahahahahahahaaa.

I think anyone who pulls salvage on another mariner on his personal
yacht in peril is a scumball, unless thats his profession or the boat
was abandoned and it's not needed anyway.

I would not expect a Lloyds LOS salvage agreement to be carried by
BoatsUS, TowboatUS, ect.ect..

But offshore... commerical vessels..that make up 99 percent of all
salvage needed would be very familar with the Lloyd's contract, and
most likely insured by Lloyds of London.

Jon's right, I did not look at the BoatUS contract because I do not
respect BoatUS or towboatsUS. I would never consider either one of
thier opinions worthy of consideration. They both have good business
plans to make money but I have seen their seamanship knowledge and the
quality of thee crews that man the boats to be a FN joke at best.

Joe





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On Jan 24, 11:34 am, Martin Baxter wrote:
Joe wrote:

On Jan 24, 8:33 am, "Scotty" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in ooglegroups.com..
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We were all very pleased until we found out the company
got 1.5
million for the cable.Sounds generous to me, if you were an employee.

Scotty

I would consider 50% generous and 33.3% to be divided by the crew
fair, less than 1% for the entire crew ****ty. We were under no
obligation to salvage.Jeeze Joe, you live in the most litigious country on the planet, you
should have sued. Just because you used company equipment, and did it on
company time, shouldn't mean that the company owns what you recovered.
Try using that argument on De Beers.

I never said we were owed anything.

However if I owned any equipment, that in the regular course of work my
operators found a way to give me, or my company 1.5 million dollars out
of the blue without any extra wear or tear on my equipment, because
they went the extra mile...I would reward them very well for thier
efforts. What comes around goes around. I understand many people do not
think this way...

Joe




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"Joe" wrote in message
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On Jan 24, 11:42 am, Jeff wrote:


The difference of our opinion's probly arise because we are thinking
on different levels.

I'm thinking on the level of a small yacht owner, like almost everyone

With the recent "Salvaging or Scavenging" on the British shore I
assumed we were discussing salvage in general, and specifically the
beached booty. Only jon brought up small craft towing, guess because he
has that endorsement on his ticket. When he told me he had a towing
endorsement I thought he had a freight and towing
endorsement...bwahahahahahahahaaa.

Sure Joe. I think you just got lazy in your thinking. JLR was talking about
theft, not salvage.

I think anyone who pulls salvage on another mariner on his personal
yacht in peril is a scumball, unless thats his profession or the boat
was abandoned and it's not needed anyway.

That's a gross over-generalization. Don't you think someone should be
compensated for taking time and risk, and expending effort?

I would not expect a Lloyds LOS salvage agreement to be carried by
BoatsUS, TowboatUS, ect.ect..

But offshore... commerical vessels..that make up 99 percent of all
salvage needed would be very familar with the Lloyd's contract, and
most likely insured by Lloyds of London.

So what? For most boat owners in the US, it's not a good contract. And, even
if it were, in your own words, they would be scumballs if they used it.

Jon's right, I did not look at the BoatUS contract because I do not
respect BoatUS or towboatsUS. I would never consider either one of
thier opinions worthy of consideration. They both have good business
plans to make money but I have seen their seamanship knowledge and the
quality of thee crews that man the boats to be a FN joke at best.

Then, you should have before you opened your yap.

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On Jan 24, 12:21 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in oglegroups.com...







On Jan 24, 11:42 am, Jeff wrote:

The difference of our opinion's probly arise because we are thinking
on different levels.

I'm thinking on the level of a small yacht owner, like almost everyone

With the recent "Salvaging or Scavenging" on the British shore I
assumed we were discussing salvage in general, and specifically the
beached booty. Only jon brought up small craft towing, guess because he
has that endorsement on his ticket. When he told me he had a towing
endorsement I thought he had a freight and towing
endorsement...bwahahahahahahahaaa


..Sure Joe. I think you just got lazy in your thinking. JLR was talking
about
theft, not salvage.

Let's review what Jolly said....ready.....ok... "When is it salvage and
when is it stealing?" and " thanks".

I think you got lazy when you started to think.



I think anyone who pulls salvage on another mariner on his personal
yacht in peril is a scumball, unless thats his profession or the boat
was abandoned and it's not needed anyway.


That's a gross over-generalization. Don't you think someone should be
compensated for taking time and risk, and expending effort?

Sure they should Jon, but it should not be expected or required.
Mariners are suppose to help each other out...thats the law of the sea
IMO. You do for another at sea what you would like them to do for you.
If your any kind of a man, you make sure the person who helped you gets
compensated for his efforts.


I would not expect a Lloyds LOS salvage agreement to be carried by
BoatsUS, TowboatUS, ect.ect..

But offshore... commerical vessels..that make up 99 percent of all
salvage needed would be very familar with the Lloyd's contract, and
most likely insured by Lloyds of London.


So what? For most boat owners in the US, it's not a good contract. And,
even
if it were, in your own words, they would be scumballs if they used it.

You're getting thick as a brick lately Jonboy. Most small boat owners
in the USA are not professional mariners, you are a classic example. In
my words,I will post again.....ready....ok..."unless thats his
profession or the boat was abandoned and it's not needed anyway".

In other words Jon IMO it's ok for a person to set up a biz rescuing
weekend warriors, and he may need a tool to make sure he gets paid, and
if the boat is abandoned than I have no pity for the person who
abandoned the vessel.

I carry the LOS contract because I go offshore and have enough power
to tow or rescue a small commerical vessel. I never suggested you carry
a copy.


Jon's right, I did not look at the BoatUS contract because I do not
respect BoatUS or towboatsUS. I would never consider either one of
thier opinions worthy of consideration. They both have good business
plans to make money but I have seen their seamanship knowledge and the
quality of thee crews that man the boats to be a FN joke at best.Then, you should have before you opened your yap.

Why?

Joe

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