Ellen MacArthur wrote:
This is what Maxprop said: "Show us a photo of you--clad any way you choose--on the same boat you showed
us in another photo, and I'll believe you're not Neal. Of course you can't do this because you *are* Neal."
OK buster. Just like making Tom eat crow I'm gonna make you eat crow, too. But, probably you'll just be saying
something like "I need one more picture. This time you have to be turning a winch handle." (Katy said that. Duh, maybe
she needs glasses. There're no winches on Elle Niño. Only swivel cam cleats. One on each side for the jib sheets
and one on the back for the mainsheet.)
Oh, was it you who said the Tangerines supposed to have pulleys to hold the sheets down so the jib won't flap and
flutter on the leech? Maybe it was Jeff. Anyway instead of pulleys I got fairleads. Much cheaper. Now the jib
doesn't flutter any more. The fairleads pull it in and down and stretches the leech better.
Are you ready for some pictures? I've got three of them uploaded to badongo.
The first one's my boat from the back showing the name and home port......
http://www.badongo.com/pic/420191
The second's from the side with a rainbow in the background. It's sooo kewl....
http://www.badongo.com/pic/420192
The third's me standing in the cockpit wearing a bikini..... Sorry guys, no topless but it is sorta skin colored.
;-)
http://www.badongo.com/pic/420193
I took the sails down this time because the wind was onshore. But what a pain. The jib kept blowing around and
went in the water a couple times. Finally I put the boarding ladder on top of it to make it stay put. I think it's
easier just to leave them up and anchor where the wind's blocked.


Cheers,
Ellen



More Photoshop...so there's a Tangerine in Tbor City...so what...doesn't
prove anything...by the way, when you blow up the pic of the supposed
person on the boat, the reflection is only of the boat...and the way the
person is standig in the boat would casue a slight list to the starboard
side...which of course doesn't exist because that person is not on the
boat...but your photoshopping is getting better...

"katy" wrote
More Photoshop...so there's a Tangerine in Tbor City...so what...doesn't prove anything...by the way, when you blow up
the pic of the supposed person on the boat, the reflection is only of the boat...and the way the person is standig in
the boat would casue a slight list to the starboard side...which of course doesn't exist because that person is not on
the boat...but your photoshopping is getting better...

Everybody's an expert. Duh. I'm standing in the cockpit. That's the middle of
the boat. Why should it list? What matters is my weight in the back. You can
see it's pushed down in the back. Compare it to the empty boat. Duh. I probably
only weigh about half what you weigh, Katy so I don't push the boat down too
far but it's down you can see it.

Cheers,
Ellen

Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"katy" wrote

More Photoshop...so there's a Tangerine in Tbor City...so what...doesn't prove anything...by the way, when you blow up
the pic of the supposed person on the boat, the reflection is only of the boat...and the way the person is standig in
the boat would casue a slight list to the starboard side...which of course doesn't exist because that person is not on
the boat...but your photoshopping is getting better...


Everybody's an expert. Duh. I'm standing in the cockpit. That's the middle of
the boat. Why should it list? What matters is my weight in the back. You can
see it's pushed down in the back. Compare it to the empty boat. Duh. I probably
only weigh about half what you weigh, Katy so I don't push the boat down too
far but it's down you can see it.

Cheers,
Ellen


Duh...you drool while you type, too. Neal? That's a very light
displacement daysailor...doens't matter if you only weigh 90 lbs you're
still going to make it list to starboard standing like that. Give it
up...only thing you're proving is that you have a whole lot of time on
your hands...

katy wrote:
Ellen MacArthur wrote:

"katy" wrote

More Photoshop...so there's a Tangerine in Tbor City...so
what...doesn't prove anything...by the way, when you blow up the pic
of the supposed person on the boat, the reflection is only of the
boat...and the way the person is standig in the boat would casue a
slight list to the starboard side...which of course doesn't exist
because that person is not on the boat...but your photoshopping is
getting better...



Everybody's an expert. Duh. I'm standing in the cockpit. That's
the middle of
the boat. Why should it list? What matters is my weight in the back.
You can
see it's pushed down in the back. Compare it to the empty boat. Duh. I
probably
only weigh about half what you weigh, Katy so I don't push the boat
down too
far but it's down you can see it.

Cheers,
Ellen

Duh...you drool while you type, too. Neal? That's a very light
displacement daysailor...doens't matter if you only weigh 90 lbs you're
still going to make it list to starboard standing like that. Give it
up...only thing you're proving is that you have a whole lot of time on
your hands...

Not to mention that your namesake would never stow a main that sloppily
and leave the boat. As for the jib - f***ing pond sailor, never a blue
water yachtswoman to leave the boat with it like that!

We teach our novices to stow sails better than that in their first two
sessions. Any slow to learn get shown the invoice for the last new set,
they have some respect for them then.

--
Ian Malcolm. London, ENGLAND. (NEWSGROUP REPLY PREFERRED)
ianm[at]the[dash]malcolms[dot]freeserve[dot]co[dot]uk
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'Stingo' Albacore #1554 - 15' Early 60's, Uffa Fox designed,
All varnished hot moulded wooden racing dinghy.

"Ian Malcolm" wrote
Not to mention that your namesake would never stow a main that sloppily and leave the boat. As for the jib - f***ing
pond sailor, never a blue water yachtswoman to leave the boat with it like that!

She's got roller furling sails in the front and probably on the mainsail too.
But, your right. I should have tidied them up better. But there wasn't much wind. Only
about ten miles per hour so it wasn't likely to cause any wear problems. But I don't
see what's so sloppy about the main. I had it sorta rolled up and strapped to the boom
with the end of the mainsheet. It couldn't flap.

We teach our novices to stow sails better than that in their first two sessions. Any slow to learn get shown the
invoice for the last new set, they have some respect for them then.

My sails especially the jib are old and worn out. Maybe I'll get some new ones one of
these days if the old ones rip. The wire cable inside the front of the jib rusted real bad
and broke at the bottom. I had to pull the bottom end out and I had to sew some patches on
and put some new hanks on. But it needs new patches on all the hanks. And about 3/4 of the
cable is still in the sail. I can't pull it out. It's rusted in. Maybe it'll loosen up more as I use it.....
Those copper or brass grommets at the hanks are mostly corroded away too. I bought some
more at Wal-Mart and a tool to hammer them together so I can do that one of these days too.

Cheers,
Ellen

Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"Ian Malcolm" wrote

Not to mention that your namesake would never stow a main that sloppily and leave the boat. As for the jib - f***ing
pond sailor, never a blue water yachtswoman to leave the boat with it like that!


She's got roller furling sails in the front and probably on the mainsail too.
But, your right. I should have tidied them up better. But there wasn't much wind. Only
about ten miles per hour so it wasn't likely to cause any wear problems. But I don't
see what's so sloppy about the main. I had it sorta rolled up and strapped to the boom
with the end of the mainsheet. It couldn't flap.


We teach our novices to stow sails better than that in their first two sessions. Any slow to learn get shown the
invoice for the last new set, they have some respect for them then.


My sails especially the jib are old and worn out. Maybe I'll get some new ones one of
these days if the old ones rip. The wire cable inside the front of the jib rusted real bad
and broke at the bottom. I had to pull the bottom end out and I had to sew some patches on
and put some new hanks on. But it needs new patches on all the hanks. And about 3/4 of the
cable is still in the sail. I can't pull it out. It's rusted in. Maybe it'll loosen up more as I use it.....
Those copper or brass grommets at the hanks are mostly corroded away too. I bought some
more at Wal-Mart and a tool to hammer them together so I can do that one of these days too.

Cheers,
Ellen


Well, If you post a photo of the damaged edge of the jib, I can probably
tell you how to do a "good 'nuff" although not up to sailmakers standard
repair. Hold it up to the camera so I can take a good look. Oh BTW,
*Please* wear clothes while you are posing that shot, You are too
distracting in swimwear for me to concentrate on the sail . . .

--
Ian Malcolm. London, ENGLAND. (NEWSGROUP REPLY PREFERRED)
ianm[at]the[dash]malcolms[dot]freeserve[dot]co[dot]uk
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All varnished hot moulded wooden racing dinghy.

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
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She's got roller furling sails in the front

That would be "bow," madame colregs expert.

and probably on the mainsail too.

You don't know?

But, your right. I should have tidied them up better. But there wasn't
much wind. Only
about ten miles per hour so it wasn't likely to cause any wear problems.

Ten miles an hour?? Not knots? And from the surface of the water, there
isn't a knot and one half. You're terrible at this, Neal. Give it up.
Throw in the towel before you embarrass yourself further.

But I don't
see what's so sloppy about the main. I had it sorta rolled up and strapped
to the boom
with the end of the mainsheet. It couldn't flap.

We teach our novices to stow sails better than that in their first two
sessions. Any slow to learn get shown the invoice for the last new set,
they have some respect for them then.

My sails especially the jib are old and worn out. Maybe I'll get some
new ones one of
these days if the old ones rip. The wire cable inside the front of the jib
rusted real bad
and broke at the bottom. I had to pull the bottom end out and I had to sew
some patches on
and put some new hanks on. But it needs new patches on all the hanks.

Oh, now we're back to proper terminology, eh? What sort of sailor refers to
"pulleys" and "hanks" in the same breath??

And about 3/4 of the
cable is still in the sail. I can't pull it out. It's rusted in. Maybe
it'll loosen up more as I use it.....
Those copper or brass grommets at the hanks are mostly corroded away too.
I bought some
more at Wal-Mart and a tool to hammer them together so I can do that one
of these days too.

Next time you're at Wal-Mart, buy "Sailing for Dummies."

Max

Maxprop wrote:
"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
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She's got roller furling sails in the front


That would be "bow," madame colregs expert.


and probably on the mainsail too.


You don't know?


But, your right. I should have tidied them up better. But there wasn't
much wind. Only
about ten miles per hour so it wasn't likely to cause any wear problems.


Ten miles an hour?? Not knots? And from the surface of the water, there
isn't a knot and one half. You're terrible at this, Neal. Give it up.
Throw in the towel before you embarrass yourself further.


But I don't
see what's so sloppy about the main. I had it sorta rolled up and strapped
to the boom
with the end of the mainsheet. It couldn't flap.


We teach our novices to stow sails better than that in their first two
sessions. Any slow to learn get shown the invoice for the last new set,
they have some respect for them then.

My sails especially the jib are old and worn out. Maybe I'll get some
new ones one of
these days if the old ones rip. The wire cable inside the front of the jib
rusted real bad
and broke at the bottom. I had to pull the bottom end out and I had to sew
some patches on
and put some new hanks on. But it needs new patches on all the hanks.


Oh, now we're back to proper terminology, eh? What sort of sailor refers to
"pulleys" and "hanks" in the same breath??


And about 3/4 of the
cable is still in the sail. I can't pull it out. It's rusted in. Maybe
it'll loosen up more as I use it.....
Those copper or brass grommets at the hanks are mostly corroded away too.
I bought some
more at Wal-Mart and a tool to hammer them together so I can do that one
of these days too.


Next time you're at Wal-Mart, buy "Sailing for Dummies."

Max


And steal some more batteries...oh..I forgot...that was K-Mart....

"katy" wrote
Duh...you drool while you type, too. Neal? That's a very light displacement daysailor...doens't matter if you only
weigh 90 lbs you're still going to make it list to starboard standing like that. Give it up...only thing you're
proving is that you have a whole lot of time on your hands...

Standing straight up in the cockpit in the middle of the boat's gonna make it list?
I don't think so. I could weigh 200# and still the boat wouldn't list unless I was
sitting or standing on one side of the cockpit. Duh!
It's a day sailer but it's pretty heavy. It's got real ballast in the keel. It's not water
like the MacGregor26s. Here's the site and the weights:

http://www.geocities.com/renkensailboats/Technical.html

TECHNICAL INFORMATION:
Boat name: Renken 18 Sailboat (R18)
LOA: 17'6"
LWL: 15'3"
Draft: 24"
Beam: 6'4"
Keel: fixed shoal
Displacement: 1220 lbs
Ballast: 450 lbs
Sleeps: 2 adults, 2 children
Sail area: main=91 sq. ft., jib=59 sq. ft. (total=150 sq. ft.)
Portsmouth # (for regattas): 112.4
Tangerine / Sigma 18 / Renken 18
History and Technical Data

Now there's probably 200 more pounds inside with the canned goods and other foods, stove,
two anchors, life jackets, cushions, water jugs, battery, lantern, extra sails, blankets, sheets, pillows
etc. And I bet I scraped a hundred pounds of guck off the bottom. But I did that before the pictures
so it doesn't really count. I broke a nail on my right pinky and got a cut on a cuticle by a barnacle.
And it's wide in the back. Lots of flotation back there. It's pretty wide for its length.
6'4" beam. It's probably close to that across the transom. My weight just doesn't push it down
very much.

Cheers,
Ellen








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Cheers,
Ellen

Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"katy" wrote

Duh...you drool while you type, too. Neal? That's a very light displacement daysailor...doens't matter if you only
weigh 90 lbs you're still going to make it list to starboard standing like that. Give it up...only thing you're
proving is that you have a whole lot of time on your hands...


Standing straight up in the cockpit in the middle of the boat's gonna make it list?
I don't think so. I could weigh 200# and still the boat wouldn't list unless I was
sitting or standing on one side of the cockpit. Duh!
It's a day sailer but it's pretty heavy. It's got real ballast in the keel. It's not water
like the MacGregor26s. Here's the site and the weights:

http://www.geocities.com/renkensailboats/Technical.html

TECHNICAL INFORMATION:
Boat name: Renken 18 Sailboat (R18)
LOA: 17'6"
LWL: 15'3"
Draft: 24"
Beam: 6'4"
Keel: fixed shoal
Displacement: 1220 lbs
Ballast: 450 lbs
Sleeps: 2 adults, 2 children
Sail area: main=91 sq. ft., jib=59 sq. ft. (total=150 sq. ft.)
Portsmouth # (for regattas): 112.4
Tangerine / Sigma 18 / Renken 18
History and Technical Data

Now there's probably 200 more pounds inside with the canned goods and other foods, stove,
two anchors, life jackets, cushions, water jugs, battery, lantern, extra sails, blankets, sheets, pillows
etc. And I bet I scraped a hundred pounds of guck off the bottom. But I did that before the pictures
so it doesn't really count. I broke a nail on my right pinky and got a cut on a cuticle by a barnacle.
And it's wide in the back. Lots of flotation back there. It's pretty wide for its length.
6'4" beam. It's probably close to that across the transom. My weight just doesn't push it down
very much.

Cheers,
Ellen








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Ellen


I stand by what I said...a boat of that weight and build would list to
starboard with someone standing where the person is purported to be
standing...write all you want...it won't make a difference...you'e
wrong..and you're Neal....