"Wee Willy" wrote in message
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Joe wrote:


You're not embelishing your account of the days journey are you?


Joe


Consider the source.

WW


Consider you're a sockpuppet. PLONK

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"Neptune" wrote in message
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[Default] On 27 Dec 2006 11:59:19 -0800, "Joe"
wrote:


Capt. JG wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...

Capt. JG wrote:
Since I didn't see
them previously, must have come out of another side channel. (They do
this a
lot.)


I bet a lot of sailboat jump out without looking and checking with
traffic. Do you check with concerned traffic when you enter the
shipping lanes?

I do, but you're right. I bet a lot don't. This is a fairly crowded
channel,
and I believe the sailboats that frequent the channel are generally
pretty
careful. I know I am.

Let me see if I'm a gittin this right.

You talked to Traffic control and they did not advise you of the tow
entering the channel?

Did they provide you with any traffic information? I mean thats thier
job, and if they did not you could have the pee-on advising traffic
sent to the Captains mast for proper punishment.

Just wtf did they advise you of ?



I can't imagine the damage had he
hit us with one of those huge vertical bumpers.


Well.... if he had bumbers you might of bounced off him ;0)


Either that or we would have been caught between them. The distance
between
them is wider than my boat.

Sort of like this, but not quite...
http://www.oceanmarine.com/tug%20images/4739tg1.jpg or this

A push boat with old tires...Thats what you call huge? Thats a HOJ
Jon, any two bit 100 tonner could run a **** pile like that.

http://www.tugboat.org/

Well call them pushboats, all inland type work. The pilot/captain is
not "way up there", as you described.

I thought you crossed paths with a real mans barge and tug:
http://www.vesselrepair.com/orion_poseidon.jpg

You're not embelishing your account of the days journey are you?


Why do you have to even ask that question?


Consider you're just a sockpuppet with no life. PLONK

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Capt. JG wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Capt. JG wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...

Capt. JG wrote:
Since I didn't see
them previously, must have come out of another side channel. (They do
this a
lot.)


I bet a lot of sailboat jump out without looking and checking with
traffic. Do you check with concerned traffic when you enter the
shipping lanes?

I do, but you're right. I bet a lot don't. This is a fairly crowded
channel,
and I believe the sailboats that frequent the channel are generally
pretty
careful. I know I am.

Let me see if I'm a gittin this right.

You talked to Traffic control and they did not advise you of the tow
entering the channel?

A couple of things... 1) Tug wasn't "entering the channel." The side channel
is about 200 feet deep. It's used for parking barges, tugs, misc.

So he never entered the channel you were transiting? and was never a
threat to you in the channel.

No one would call Traffic unless there was dense fog.

Well thats bull****. Here in the Houston Ship channel all commerical
traffic has to check in with traffic. If you do not the USCG will have
a patrol boat stopping you ASAP, why would SF traffic be any different.
dept of homeland security rules you know....

This was a situation
of a tug probably moving from one berth to another rather than engaging in
operations.

If he enters or crosses the lanes he is required by law to let traffic
know.


Did they provide you with any traffic information? I mean thats thier
job, and if they did not you could have the pee-on advising traffic
sent to the Captains mast for proper punishment.

Just wtf did they advise you of ?



So now you say no one was checking traffic...this is confusing Jon.




I can't imagine the damage had he
hit us with one of those huge vertical bumpers.


Well.... if he had bumbers you might of bounced off him ;0)


Either that or we would have been caught between them. The distance
between
them is wider than my boat.

Sort of like this, but not quite...
http://www.oceanmarine.com/tug%20images/4739tg1.jpg or this

A push boat with old tires...Thats what you call huge? Thats a HOJ
Jon, any two bit 100 tonner could run a **** pile like that.

Huh? I posted a link to a tug that regularly *pushes*. It didn't have any
tires on it.

Look at the picture in the link you provided Jon, the only
bumpers/fenders are tires, if you are talking about the two vertical
beams that push on a barge then you are the one confused......thoses
are called push knee's not bumpers.


http://www.tugboat.org/

Well call them pushboats, all inland type work. The pilot/captain is
not "way up there", as you described.

I thought you crossed paths with a real mans barge and tug:
http://www.vesselrepair.com/orion_poseidon.jpg

You're not embelishing your account of the days journey are you?

I'm writing what happened. Sorry if that's confusing for you.

You should learn proper rules of harbor traffic, and proper names of
boat parts then you will be less confusing

Apoligy accepted.

Joe

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"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
A couple of things... 1) Tug wasn't "entering the channel." The side
channel
is about 200 feet deep. It's used for parking barges, tugs, misc.

So he never entered the channel you were transiting? and was never a
threat to you in the channel.

I mis-stated. He did enter the channel, and you're right he should have
contacted Traffic if working, but what about when he isn't working? He might
have been working. I don't know. So, I'll say he was, but since we were
listening and didn't hear it, he must not have contacted them.


No one would call Traffic unless there was dense fog.

Well thats bull****. Here in the Houston Ship channel all commerical
traffic has to check in with traffic. If you do not the USCG will have
a patrol boat stopping you ASAP, why would SF traffic be any different.
dept of homeland security rules you know....

Sailboats don't call traffic to transit the channel. Perhaps you're thinking
I meant the tug?

This was a situation
of a tug probably moving from one berth to another rather than engaging
in
operations.

If he enters or crosses the lanes he is required by law to let traffic
know.

See previous.


Did they provide you with any traffic information? I mean thats thier
job, and if they did not you could have the pee-on advising traffic
sent to the Captains mast for proper punishment.

Just wtf did they advise you of ?



So now you say no one was checking traffic...this is confusing Jon.

We were monitoring, but if you read the original post, you'd understand that
there was no time to call anyone. If there had been, I would have hailed the
tug.


I can't imagine the damage had he
hit us with one of those huge vertical bumpers.


Well.... if he had bumbers you might of bounced off him ;0)


Either that or we would have been caught between them. The distance
between
them is wider than my boat.

Sort of like this, but not quite...
http://www.oceanmarine.com/tug%20images/4739tg1.jpg or this

A push boat with old tires...Thats what you call huge? Thats a HOJ
Jon, any two bit 100 tonner could run a **** pile like that.

Huh? I posted a link to a tug that regularly *pushes*. It didn't have any
tires on it.

Look at the picture in the link you provided Jon, the only
bumpers/fenders are tires, if you are talking about the two vertical
beams that push on a barge then you are the one confused......thoses
are called push knee's not bumpers.

Fine, push knees. I'm not a tug driver, so I wouldn't know.


http://www.tugboat.org/

Well call them pushboats, all inland type work. The pilot/captain is
not "way up there", as you described.

I thought you crossed paths with a real mans barge and tug:
http://www.vesselrepair.com/orion_poseidon.jpg

You're not embelishing your account of the days journey are you?

I'm writing what happened. Sorry if that's confusing for you.

You should learn proper rules of harbor traffic, and proper names of
boat parts then you will be less confusing

You should learn to read. It will save us all a lot of time and trouble.


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Barney wrote:
Neptune wrote:

You are absolute right, Jim. With all of the options available on the
Mac26 it would have never been in such a dangerous situation. Leave it
to a "I'm right no matter what" liberal bonehead to fail to take all
measures to avoid an impending collision and then blame everyone else
and accept no responsibility of his own. Remember, you heard just one
side of a multi-sided story. If it wasn't the tugboat captain's fault
then it would be Bush's fault.

That Mac26 is a unique and excellent choice of a boat. For those who
don't want to tolerate the mundane drudgeries of get-nowhere sailing
that boat is the best escape. Plus you can sail it when conditions are
favorable. No one chops firewood, milks the cow, slaughters their own
food anymore so why do people insist on such dangerous, outmoded
methods of transportation?

Their sailboats don't have signal flags, they don't know semaphore or
morse code, their stoves aren't coal fired, no, they have modern solid
state radios, radar, microwaves, led lights, automapping and yet they
insist their "sailing" put them in a different time and somehow makes
them superior. It is all denial and they are fooling themselves. They
are no different than those weekend Harley fruit boys who put on
leather and drive around loudly acting tough. All a phoney image!

It's rather amusing that powerboaters usually get into trouble when
the engine fails and sailboaters get intotrouble when under sail.
Sailboaters account for more offshore rescues than powerboaters.

Good on you Jim! At least you have some sense!


Neptune, King of the Sea with Davey Jones locker full of sailboats!


Take your troll and stuff it! The Mac is a disgrace to sailing and
everyone knows it.


Correction. - Lots of people "think" they know it, particularly those
who have never sailed one of the current models. (Incidentally, have YOU
sailed one of the 26M's Barney? No? - Why am I not surprised?) And, of
course, you can often count on getting some "attaboys" when you post
Mac-bashing garbage like that. And, of course, if being a respected
member of the club is important to you, you sure don't want to become
known as a Mac enthusiast.

Jim

Jim

"JimC" wrote in message
et...


Barney wrote:
Neptune wrote:

You are absolute right, Jim. With all of the options available on the
Mac26 it would have never been in such a dangerous situation. Leave it
to a "I'm right no matter what" liberal bonehead to fail to take all
measures to avoid an impending collision and then blame everyone else
and accept no responsibility of his own. Remember, you heard just one
side of a multi-sided story. If it wasn't the tugboat captain's fault
then it would be Bush's fault.

That Mac26 is a unique and excellent choice of a boat. For those who
don't want to tolerate the mundane drudgeries of get-nowhere sailing
that boat is the best escape. Plus you can sail it when conditions are
favorable. No one chops firewood, milks the cow, slaughters their own
food anymore so why do people insist on such dangerous, outmoded
methods of transportation?

Their sailboats don't have signal flags, they don't know semaphore or
morse code, their stoves aren't coal fired, no, they have modern solid
state radios, radar, microwaves, led lights, automapping and yet they
insist their "sailing" put them in a different time and somehow makes
them superior. It is all denial and they are fooling themselves. They
are no different than those weekend Harley fruit boys who put on
leather and drive around loudly acting tough. All a phoney image!

It's rather amusing that powerboaters usually get into trouble when
the engine fails and sailboaters get intotrouble when under sail.
Sailboaters account for more offshore rescues than powerboaters.

Good on you Jim! At least you have some sense!


Neptune, King of the Sea with Davey Jones locker full of sailboats!


Take your troll and stuff it! The Mac is a disgrace to sailing and
everyone knows it.


Correction. - Lots of people "think" they know it, particularly those who
have never sailed one of the current models. (Incidentally, have YOU
sailed one of the 26M's Barney? No? - Why am I not surprised?) And, of
course, you can often count on getting some "attaboys" when you post
Mac-bashing garbage like that. And, of course, if being a respected member
of the club is important to you, you sure don't want to become known as a
Mac enthusiast.

Jim

Jim


Forget him Jim... sockpuppet criticism doesn't count.


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