stand four-square
 

Tony's as tough as Margret. He' got True Grit.

``It is our determination to stand four-square with you and the Iraqi
people in ensuring that your democracy is not destroyed,'' Blair said
at a joint press conference with al- Maliki. ``We will continue to
support you all the way, because it is important for Iraq, important
for the region, and important for the world.''

Not like Baker and his cut and run panel.

Joe

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"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
Tony's as tough as Margret. He' got True Grit.

``It is our determination to stand four-square with you and the Iraqi
people in ensuring that your democracy is not destroyed,'' Blair said
at a joint press conference with al- Maliki. ``We will continue to
support you all the way, because it is important for Iraq, important
for the region, and important for the world.''

Not like Baker and his cut and run panel.

Joe



My prediction is that we've already lost Iraq, which will be demonstrated by
total civil war in the next month or so. The entire middle east is in chaos
because Bushco couldn't contain himself to the real terrorists in
Afganistan, which is also heading toward the abyss.

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Capt. JG wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
Tony's as tough as Margret. He' got True Grit.

``It is our determination to stand four-square with you and the Iraqi
people in ensuring that your democracy is not destroyed,'' Blair said
at a joint press conference with al- Maliki. ``We will continue to
support you all the way, because it is important for Iraq, important
for the region, and important for the world.''

Not like Baker and his cut and run panel.

Joe



My prediction is that we've already lost Iraq,

lay off the LSD.

which will be demonstrated by
total civil war in the next month or so.

predicting the future now...do you use tarrot cards, or chicken bones?

The entire middle east is in chaos
because Bushco

Remember the iran hostages, USS Cole, Marine's in Lebanon, 1st WTC
attack, Saddam, ect.ect.ect.ect.ect.ect.ect.ect and now the middle east
in in Chaos.


couldn't contain himself to the real terrorists in
Afganistan, which is also heading toward the abyss.

War is fluid, but the goals and moral responsibility's remain.

The radical islamic terrorist have declared Jihad...get with it, we
have no choice but to win.

Joe

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"Joe" wrote in message
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My prediction is that we've already lost Iraq,

lay off the LSD.

Bush is the one on acid if he thinks there's a military solution, which
apparently he does.

which will be demonstrated by
total civil war in the next month or so.

predicting the future now...do you use tarrot cards, or chicken bones?

Bushco did that and look what happened. I am at least admiting it's a
prediction.

The entire middle east is in chaos
because Bushco

Remember the iran hostages, USS Cole, Marine's in Lebanon, 1st WTC
attack, Saddam, ect.ect.ect.ect.ect.ect.ect.ect and now the middle east
in in Chaos.

Yeah, and we didn't have 3000 dead US soldiers, 20,000 miamed solders,
500000 dead innocent Iraqis, and it's getting worse by the day!

couldn't contain himself to the real terrorists in
Afganistan, which is also heading toward the abyss.

War is fluid, but the goals and moral responsibility's remain.

War is fluid... yeah, it's composed of blood.

The radical islamic terrorist have declared Jihad...get with it, we
have no choice but to win.


Radical islamic terrorists had nothing to do with Iraq until after we
invaded Iraq looking for WMDs that didn't exist.

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Capt. JG wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
My prediction is that we've already lost Iraq,

lay off the LSD.

Bush is the one on acid if he thinks there's a military solution, which
apparently he does.


At least he not a cut and run coward, spitting in the face of the
solders who died trying to liberate the Iraqi people.


which will be demonstrated by
total civil war in the next month or so.

predicting the future now...do you use tarrot cards, or chicken bones?

Bushco did that and look what happened. I am at least admiting it's a
prediction.

I perdict democracy in iraq if we are predicting.

The entire middle east is in chaos
because Bushco

Remember the iran hostages, USS Cole, Marine's in Lebanon, 1st WTC
attack, Saddam, ect.ect.ect.ect.ect.ect.ect.ect and now the middle east
in in Chaos.

Yeah, and we didn't have 3000 dead US soldiers, 20,000 miamed solders,
500000 dead innocent Iraqis, and it's getting worse by the day!

No it's getting better. Less are getting killed every mo.

couldn't contain himself to the real terrorists in
Afganistan, which is also heading toward the abyss.

War is fluid, but the goals and moral responsibility's remain.

War is fluid... yeah, it's composed of blood.

Blood, honor, purpose, goals. Are you willing to spill blood in vain?



The radical islamic terrorist have declared Jihad...get with it, we
have no choice but to win.


Radical islamic terrorists had nothing to do with Iraq until after we
invaded Iraq looking for WMDs that didn't exist.

So if we are anywhere and terrorist come to fight us, then we should
cut and run.....is that what you are saying? You would rather have them
coming here and attacking?

The point is Jon...and you will never understand it seems, what we are
doing is right and just. We have to finish and win this fight or it's
going to get alot worse. You have your head in a liberal hole Jon wake
up..see what we are dealing with

This is possibly the scariest thing you will ever see.
Many clips from what is being broadcast in the middle east, so
much propaganda, and so much hatred. This isn't reality TV, this is
reality period! See it, and forward to everyone that you care about.


Full (41 minutes)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PWIK8YTZS8


or broken up - I'm pretty sure some was lost:


Part 1 Propaganda
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5422LKhSVTc


Part 2 Iran
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sr6TVlfPYeI


Part 3 The Suicide Bomber / Children
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vCUC0Bneko


Part 4 Children / Interviews
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rpgs39EUEQ


Part 5 Interviews / Standing Up Against Extremism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g9qHKGVnJg

Joe





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"Joe" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
My prediction is that we've already lost Iraq,

lay off the LSD.

Bush is the one on acid if he thinks there's a military solution, which
apparently he does.


At least he not a cut and run coward, spitting in the face of the
solders who died trying to liberate the Iraqi people.

So, it's ok to just do nothing. Obviously, both he and you have no regard
for human life, including those of our fine soldiers who should not be put
in harms way without a good reason. Got it.

which will be demonstrated by
total civil war in the next month or so.

predicting the future now...do you use tarrot cards, or chicken bones?

Bushco did that and look what happened. I am at least admiting it's a
prediction.

I perdict democracy in iraq if we are predicting.

I hope you're right. Not one expert either in the military or in gov't
thinks this is likely.

The entire middle east is in chaos
because Bushco

Remember the iran hostages, USS Cole, Marine's in Lebanon, 1st WTC
attack, Saddam, ect.ect.ect.ect.ect.ect.ect.ect and now the middle east
in in Chaos.

Yeah, and we didn't have 3000 dead US soldiers, 20,000 miamed solders,
500000 dead innocent Iraqis, and it's getting worse by the day!

No it's getting better. Less are getting killed every mo.

Huh? What planet did you get that fact from?

couldn't contain himself to the real terrorists in
Afganistan, which is also heading toward the abyss.

War is fluid, but the goals and moral responsibility's remain.

War is fluid... yeah, it's composed of blood.

Blood, honor, purpose, goals. Are you willing to spill blood in vain?

No! Apparently, you and Bushco are, because that's what they're doing.


The radical islamic terrorist have declared Jihad...get with it, we
have no choice but to win.


Radical islamic terrorists had nothing to do with Iraq until after we
invaded Iraq looking for WMDs that didn't exist.

So if we are anywhere and terrorist come to fight us, then we should
cut and run.....is that what you are saying? You would rather have them
coming here and attacking?

Where are you getting this? We created the situation in Iraq and we've
pretty much ignored them where they live... Afganistan and Pakistan.

The point is Jon...and you will never understand it seems, what we are
doing is right and just. We have to finish and win this fight or it's
going to get alot worse. You have your head in a liberal hole Jon wake
up..see what we are dealing with

We're doing nothing but making the bad situation worse. This has nothing to
do with right/wrong, except that we created the wrong by going to war under
the cloud of a lie and remaining with no defined or clearly stated purpose.

This is possibly the scariest thing you will ever see.
Many clips from what is being broadcast in the middle east, so
much propaganda, and so much hatred. This isn't reality TV, this is
reality period! See it, and forward to everyone that you care about.

You sure spend a lot of effort supporting Bushco. I guess you're among the
vast 17% who think everything is just fine.

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Jon,

I wonder if your selective memory can recall the Iraq-Iran war, the
Kuwait invasion, the American hostages in Iran, the Russian-afghanistan
war, the Taliban, the Suez Canal War, Israeli- Palestine problem,
Lebanon-Israeli problem, Syria-Lebanese problem, India-Afghanistan
dispute.

The Middle East was is Chaos. I would say the Mid-East life style has
been a true Chaos History long before Our involvement, all before George
2nd. Even before George 1st.

The USS Cole was a Clinton problem, Hostages a Jimmy Carter problem,
Suez war Eisenhower, Israeli-Palestine problem UN, Truman problem

I'm not a Bush backer but I'll not blame the Middle East Chaos on him.
In fact it may be better. Not for us maybe but in general terms better.
We've done away with the two no fly zones, tank truck smuggling of fuel
oil, even a Demo. Gov.;for what it's worth, better than the Dictatorship
that caused 3 Mid-East wars. Syria is out of Lebanon

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"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Jon,

I wonder if your selective memory can recall the Iraq-Iran war, the
Kuwait invasion, the American hostages in Iran, the Russian-afghanistan
war, the Taliban, the Suez Canal War, Israeli- Palestine problem,
Lebanon-Israeli problem, Syria-Lebanese problem, India-Afghanistan
dispute.

The Middle East was is Chaos. I would say the Mid-East life style has
been a true Chaos History long before Our involvement, all before George
2nd. Even before George 1st.

The USS Cole was a Clinton problem, Hostages a Jimmy Carter problem,
Suez war Eisenhower, Israeli-Palestine problem UN, Truman problem

I'm not a Bush backer but I'll not blame the Middle East Chaos on him.
In fact it may be better. Not for us maybe but in general terms better.
We've done away with the two no fly zones, tank truck smuggling of fuel
oil, even a Demo. Gov.;for what it's worth, better than the Dictatorship
that caused 3 Mid-East wars. Syria is out of Lebanon



So, we made it better or worse by invading Iraq? You tell me. Our
credibility is zero, when at one point we were seen as a somewhat honest
broker.

If you disagree with me, there's no need to attempt, feebly, to insult me.
It seems to me that you're memory is pretty selective too.

None of the items you site has ANYTHING to do with our immoral and
unwarranted invasion of Iraq. Bush LIED to the American people, and now our
troops and innocent Iraqis are paying the price.

Bush made the situation far, far worse. We've done away with nothing.
Missions are being flown every day, instead of smuggling oil, they're
smuggling terrorists across the border, and the "democracy" we created is
unwilling or unable (according to Bushco's own memo) to deal with the racial
violence. We had contained Saddam, and he would have fallen shortly. In
fact, if Bush Sr. had lived up to his word, Saddam probably would have been
gone already, and the Shiias who now hate us would have liked us for helping
them.

Syria is out of Lebanon and Hamas (their proxy) is creating a civil war
there.



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"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
Tony's as tough as Margret. He' got True Grit.

``It is our determination to stand four-square with you and the Iraqi
people in ensuring that your democracy is not destroyed,'' Blair said
at a joint press conference with al- Maliki. ``We will continue to
support you all the way, because it is important for Iraq, important
for the region, and important for the world.''

Not like Baker and his cut and run panel.

Joe


The British have hundreds of years of history and experience standing 4
square in foriegn lands. They even sent great armies and navies to keep the
population from rebelling. Many of the occupations came at great cost to the
British. Sometimes they even lost and got booted out, like when the
Americans stood up to them 230 years ago. Remember it was important for "the
region" and "the world" that the British fight the colonies! It was for our
own good!

Why are the British in Iraq again anyway? They got routed the last time they
were there.

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...

So, we made it better or worse by invading Iraq? You tell me. Our
credibility is zero, when at one point we were seen as a somewhat honest
broker.

If you disagree with me, there's no need to attempt, feebly, to insult me.
It seems to me that you're memory is pretty selective too.

None of the items you site has ANYTHING to do with our immoral and
unwarranted invasion of Iraq. Bush LIED to the American people, and now
our troops and innocent Iraqis are paying the price.

Bush made the situation far, far worse. We've done away with nothing.
Missions are being flown every day, instead of smuggling oil, they're
smuggling terrorists across the border, and the "democracy" we created is
unwilling or unable (according to Bushco's own memo) to deal with the
racial violence. We had contained Saddam, and he would have fallen
shortly. In fact, if Bush Sr. had lived up to his word, Saddam probably
would have been gone already, and the Shiias who now hate us would have
liked us for helping them.

Syria is out of Lebanon and Hamas (their proxy) is creating a civil war
there.



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We were in the same boat during WWII with the invasion of Japan. Nukes
solved that problem.

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"Gilligan" wrote in message
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We were in the same boat during WWII with the invasion of Japan. Nukes
solved that problem.



Huh? We were attacked by Japan. We were not attacked by Iraq.

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
"Gilligan" wrote in message
. ..




We were in the same boat during WWII with the invasion of Japan. Nukes
solved that problem.



Huh? We were attacked by Japan. We were not attacked by Iraq.

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Hawaii was not a state then. It was a conquered territory.

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"Gilligan" wrote in message
. ..

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
"Gilligan" wrote in message
. ..




We were in the same boat during WWII with the invasion of Japan. Nukes
solved that problem.



Huh? We were attacked by Japan. We were not attacked by Iraq.

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Hawaii was not a state then. It was a conquered territory.



And, we were attacked. Iraq didn't attack a country outside its borders.


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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
"Gilligan" wrote in message
. ..

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
"Gilligan" wrote in message
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We were in the same boat during WWII with the invasion of Japan. Nukes
solved that problem.



Huh? We were attacked by Japan. We were not attacked by Iraq.

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Hawaii was not a state then. It was a conquered territory.



And, we were attacked. Iraq didn't attack a country outside its borders.


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We invaded Hawaii and toppled its government. Then the Japs attacked.

We invaded Iraq and toppled its government. Now the terrorists are invading
and attacking.

We nuked Japan and they went on to make great cameras, plywood and cars.

Let's get the ball rolling on muslimia! I suspect they will master long
curved swords, towels and franchised gas stations.

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Gilligan wrote:
Hawaii was not a state then. It was a conquered territory.

And, we were attacked. Iraq didn't attack a country outside its borders.

We invaded Hawaii and toppled its government. Then the Japs attacked.


Actually a dozen sugar growers, with the help of a rogue minister and
a handful of marines, staged a coup and imprisoned the Queen. When
the Democratic President found out he fired the minister, apologized
to the Queen, and reported to Congress: "By an act of war, committed
with the participation of a diplomatic representative of the United
States and without authority of Congress, the government of a feeble
but friendly and confiding people has been overthrown. A substantial
wrong has thus been done, which a due regard for our national
character, as well as the rights of the injured people, requires we
should endeavor to repair."

President Cleveland refused to approve the annexation, but his
Republican successor, McKinley did.


Then the Japs attacked.

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Jon,

Japan attack us and we invaded Casa Blanca. They didn't attack us. They
weren't even in the Pacific Theatre.

I wasn't to upset at the time

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"Gilligan" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
"Gilligan" wrote in message
. ..

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
"Gilligan" wrote in message
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We were in the same boat during WWII with the invasion of Japan. Nukes
solved that problem.



Huh? We were attacked by Japan. We were not attacked by Iraq.

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Hawaii was not a state then. It was a conquered territory.



And, we were attacked. Iraq didn't attack a country outside its borders.


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We invaded Hawaii and toppled its government. Then the Japs attacked.

We invaded Iraq and toppled its government. Now the terrorists are
invading and attacking.

We nuked Japan and they went on to make great cameras, plywood and cars.

Let's get the ball rolling on muslimia! I suspect they will master long
curved swords, towels and franchised gas stations.



Clearly, you know very little about history or argument supported by facts.


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"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Jon,

Japan attack us and we invaded Casa Blanca. They didn't attack us. They
weren't even in the Pacific Theatre.

I wasn't to upset at the time



You had something against Casa Blanca?

In any case, please tell us what Iraq had to do with islamic fundamentalist
terrorists before we invaded.

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Capt. JG wrote:
"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Jon,

Japan attack us and we invaded Casa Blanca. They didn't attack us. They
weren't even in the Pacific Theatre.

I wasn't to upset at the time



You had something against Casa Blanca?

In any case, please tell us what Iraq had to do with islamic fundamentalist
terrorists before we invaded.

Saddam paid the family of dead Hammas suicide bombers cash. I heard
100K per family of suicide bombers. Hammas is an islamic terrorist
group.

Joe

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...


We invaded Hawaii and toppled its government. Then the Japs attacked.

We invaded Iraq and toppled its government. Now the terrorists are
invading and attacking.

We nuked Japan and they went on to make great cameras, plywood and cars.

Let's get the ball rolling on muslimia! I suspect they will master long
curved swords, towels and franchised gas stations.



Clearly, you know very little about history or argument supported by
facts.


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Reread what I wrote. I agree exactly with you. Here, let's go again:

We invaded Iraq and toppled its government - see anything to disagree with?

The terrorists invaded and attacked - that means they came from somewhere
else to Iraq.

Jeff supports my factual description of Hawaii 100%. Invaded and annexed!
Then Japan attacked.

All true! All agrees with you! Japs make great cameras, cars and plywood
too!

Bevede

Gilligan knows little about history or argument supported by facts.

Gilligan's argument supports Ganz.

Ganz is a witch! Burn! Burn him!

How's that for logical argument?

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Jon,

I can't give you a reason and I was against the invasion but I will not
apologize for getting rid of Saddam and ending the "No Fly Zones with
their rockets, I can't say Bush didn't lie but I don't blame or
apologize for ****e & Sunni killings.

I want us out of Iraq but I do want it done in as humanely way as
possible and I don't have an answer

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"Joe" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Jon,

Japan attack us and we invaded Casa Blanca. They didn't attack us. They
weren't even in the Pacific Theatre.

I wasn't to upset at the time



You had something against Casa Blanca?

In any case, please tell us what Iraq had to do with islamic
fundamentalist
terrorists before we invaded.

Saddam paid the family of dead Hammas suicide bombers cash. I heard
100K per family of suicide bombers. Hammas is an islamic terrorist
group.

Joe

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Hamas had a stated policy of not attacking the US. Iraq did not attack the
US.

You heard??? Well, that must settle it.


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"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Jon,

I can't give you a reason and I was against the invasion but I will not
apologize for getting rid of Saddam and ending the "No Fly Zones with
their rockets, I can't say Bush didn't lie but I don't blame or
apologize for ****e & Sunni killings.

I want us out of Iraq but I do want it done in as humanely way as
possible and I don't have an answer



I'm not asking you to apologize for the crappy way the Bush's treated the
Iraqis both in the past and now. No planes of ours were shot down in the No
Fly Zones, btw. There's no disputing that Bush the First LIED to the shiias
after the first Gulf War. That's a fact.

Here are the choices for getting out of Iraq.

1) We leave as soon as humanly possible. 100K innocent Iraqis die by ethnic
violence.
2) We stay the course and/or increase the troops to the now proposed 160K
level. 100K innocent Iraqis dies by ethnic violence, plus another couple of
1000 US troops, plus another 20K US troops are maimed, plus we give even
more fuel to the islamic terrorists to turn the mostly peaceful muslim
populations of the world against us.

All of the significant generals including the guy in charge of the Army
think we should not send more troops and they can not be sustained there for
very long, and that the Army is stretched to the breaking point now.

Most experienced diplomats are convinced that we're making the situation
worse by our very presence.

All of the significant generals think that there is no diplomatic solution,
rather that it is a military situation without a military solution.


I pick #1.


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OzOne wrote in message ...
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:12:22 -0800, "Capt. JG"
scribbled thusly:


You heard??? Well, that must settle it.

Joe has voices in his head....


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,
We've been expecting you.


Are they telling him to do good things or bad things?

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a.. Mr. President, we are rapidly approaching a moment of truth...Now, truth
is not always a pleasant thing, but it is necessary now to make a choice, to
choose between two admittedly regrettable, but nevertheless, distinguishable
post-war environments. One, where you got 20 million people killed, and the
other where you got 150 million people killed.

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"Joe" wrote in message
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Yeah, and we didn't have 3000 dead US soldiers, 20,000 miamed solders,
500000 dead innocent Iraqis, and it's getting worse by the day!

No it's getting better. Less are getting killed every mo.


According to the Pentagon's report today...

22% more attacks
32% more military casualties
60% more civilian deaths


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OzOne wrote:
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:12:22 -0800, "Capt. JG"
scribbled thusly:


You heard??? Well, that must settle it.

Palestinians get Saddam funds


Iraq regularly parades volunteers to "liberate Palestine"
Saddam Hussein has paid out thousands of dollars to families of
Palestinians killed in fighting with Israel.
Relatives of at least one suicide attacker as well as other militants
and civilians gathered in a hall in Gaza City to receive cheques.

"Iraq and Palestine are in one trench. Saddam is a hero," read a banner
over a picture of the Iraqi leader and Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat
at the ceremony.

With war looming in the Middle East, Palestinian speakers condemned the
United States and Israel, which dismissed the ceremony as support for
terrorism.

Saddam's payments
$10,000 per family
$25,000 for family of a suicide bomber
$35m paid since September 2000
PALF figures
One by one, at least 21 families came up to receive their cheques from
the Palestinian Arab Liberation Front (PALF), a local pro-Iraq group.

A Hamas suicide bomber's family got $25,000 while the others -
relatives of militants killed in fighting or civilians killed during
Israeli military operations - all received $10,000 each.

Another banner in the hall described the cheques as the "blessings of
Saddam Hussein" and PALF speakers extolled the Iraqi leader in fiery
speeches.

"Saddam Hussein considers those who die in martyrdom attacks as people
who have won the highest degree of martyrdom," said one.

The party estimated that Iraq had paid out $35m to Palestinian families
since the current uprising began in September 2000.

Saddam's avowed support for the Palestinians, and his missile attacks
on Israel during the Gulf War, have won him wide backing in the
territories.

Saddam's 'kindness'

Israel condemned the Iraqi handouts as funding for terrorism.

"It shows that Saddam is involved in every activity that is terrorism
and murderous and leads to instability in the Middle East," said Amira
Oron, a spokeswoman for the Foreign Ministry.


Saddam is the only one that has stood with us

Tahseen Maghani
father of dead Hamas fighter
However, families at this week's ceremony said the money would be used
to rebuild homes destroyed by Israel and bring up orphaned children.

"Saddam supports the families of the martyrs, not terrorism," said
Ahmed Sabah, 69, whose son was killed by an Israeli missile strike in
December.

"It is a shame that Arabs stand silent as America prepares to occupy
Iraq."

Israel blamed Mr Sabah's son Mustafa for bomb attacks on three Israeli
tanks which killed seven soldiers in 2002.

Tahseen Maghani, whose Hamas militant son Karam was killed trying to
infiltrate the Jewish settlement of Netzarim, said he would use the
money to plant crops and build a house.

"These are tough times for Saddam but his kindness will help us a lot,"
he said.

"Saddam is the only one that has stood with us."

Sabri Salama, a relative of two Palestinian teenagers killed in an
Israeli air strike on Gaza in January, said America was "the chief
terrorist state".

Ibrahim Zanen, a PALF spokesman, said he hoped the ceremony would not
be the last.

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Saddam stokes war with suicide bomber cash
March 26 2002




The Iraqi leader's payments to the families of dead Palestinian
terrorists means more trouble for Yasser Arafat, writes Paul McGeough
in the West Bank.


The hall was packed and the intake of breath was audible as a special
announcement was made to the war widows of the West Bank - Saddam
Hussein would pay $US25,000 ($47,000) to the family of each suicide
bomber as an enticement for others to volunteer for martyrdom in the
name of the Palestinian people.

The men at the top table then opened Saddam's chequebook and, as the
names of 47 martyrs were called, family representatives went up to sign
for cheques written in US dollars.

Those of two suicide bombers were the first to be paid the new rate of
$US25,000 and those whose relatives had died in other clashes with the
Israeli military were given $US10,000 each.

The $US500,000 doled out in this impoverished community yesterday means
that the besieged Iraqi leader now has contributed more than $US10
million to grieving Palestinian families since the new intifada began
18 months ago.

But the timing of this clear signal that Saddam is stoking the Middle
East conflict with his new $US15,000 bonus to encourage more suicide
bombers - and exclusive pictures from the distribution ceremony, which
was attended by the Herald - could make it more difficult for the
Palestinian leader, Yasser Arafat, to manage his already strained
relationship with the United States.



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Because the Palestinians and the Israelis have been unable to agree to
a ceasefire during the US-brokered talks that began in Jerusalem two
weeks ago, Mr Arafat may be denied an opportunity to put the
Palestinian case directly to the US Vice-President, Dick Cheney.

As well, the Israelis have yet to decide if they will lift Mr Arafat's
effective house arrest to allow him to travel to Beirut for this week's
summit of Arab leaders that is to discuss a Saudi Arabian plan to end
the crisis.

And now, the US and Israel will have the opportunity to accuse Mr
Arafat of being in the embrace of two of President Bush's three "axis
of evil" countries, Iraq and Iran.

The New York Times reported on Saturday the suspicion of US and Israeli
intelligence agencies that Mr Arafat had developed an alliance with
Iran to import weapons worth millions of dollars to be used by
Palestinian fighters.

Mr Arafat has denied any knowledge of a recent shipment of Iranian arms
seized by the Israelis on its way to Palestine.

But he may be hard pressed to deny knowledge of a public ceremony on
his own territory, during which supporters of Saddam handed out
$US500,000 and encouraged others to become suicide bombers with the
blessing of the Iraqi leader.

The US will also be keen to use Saddam's provocative intrusion into the
Palestinian-Israeli conflict as another reason for its planned military
strike against him.

Yesterday's ceremony at Tulkarm, about 90 kilometres north of
Jerusalem, was the first public distribution organised by the Arab
Liberation Front, a small PLO faction closely aligned with Saddam's
Ba'ath Party. Previously, the cheques were delivered privately by
officials of the front to the homes of martyr families.

A senior front official, Ma'amoon Tayeh, said that the extra $US15,000
was to encourage more Palestinians to volunteer as suicide bombers to
help "confirm the legitimacy of our national questions".

He said: "Saddam Hussein considers Palestine to be a governate of Iraq
and he thinks the same of the Palestinian martyrs as he does of Iraqi
martyrs - they all are martyrs for the whole Arab nation."

Dr Hassan Khraisheh, a member of the Palestinian Legislative Council
who told the crowd he had just returned from a solidarity conference in
Baghdad, said some families believed the money should be sent back to
Iraq because of the hardships imposed by sanctions; others used the
money to " buy weapons to defend Palestine".

Later, he praised Iraq as the only Arab country officially donating to
the Palestinian cause.

"The Saudis used to give $US4000 to the martyrs, but now it depends on
public donations.

"Saddam Hussein's $US25,000 is a message to those who might offer
themselves as martyrs that their families will be supported ..."

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GLOBAL JIHAD
Oil-for-food
funded terror
U.S. to reveal tomorrow Saddam used U.N. to aid suicide bombers

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Posted: November 16, 2004
6:36 p.m. Eastern


By Aaron Klein
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

A U.S. congressional committee will reveal tomorrow that money taken by
deposed Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein from the U.N. oil-for-food
program was used as reward payments to families of Palestinian suicide
bombers, WorldNetDaily has learned.

The committee, led by Rep. Henry Hyde, R-Ill., chairman of the House
Committee on International Affairs, will reveal tomorrow that some of
the $10 billion Saddam allegedly forced contractors to kick back from
the oil-for-food program between 1997 and 2002 was used to fund
families of Palestinians suicide bombers.

Israel has said the aid received from Saddam provided major financial
motivation to underprivileged teenagers who could help their
cash-strapped families with the large payments that would be issued
upon completion of a suicide mission.


The U.N. Security Council launched the oil-for-food program in 1996 so
Iraq could raise funds for food, medicine and other humanitarian goods
in spite of sanctions against the Saddam regime.

Iraq sold more than $67 billion worth of oil before the program was
ended by the U.S. invasion last year.

According to the rules outlined by the Security Council, Iraq was
allowed to choose its own suppliers and oil traders. Under the program,
the Security Council established a separate committee made up of member
states, the so-called "661 Committee," to approve all contracts issued
by the Iraqi government.

The General Accounting Office, the auditing arm of the U.S. Congress,
reported Hussein illegally diverted and sold goods intended for the
Iraqi population.

Sources tell WorldNetDaily Hyde will detail the methods used by Saddam
to funnel some of the money from the proceeds to fund Palestinian
terrorism against Israelis. A U.S. official said the money was wired to
an account in the Rafaidan Bank of Jordan then transferred to the
personal account of Iraq's ambassador to Jordan, who would then have
the money delivered to the Palestinians.

As WorldNetDaily reported, remnants of Saddam's regime may still be
funding terrorism against Israel by continuing the payments to families
of Palestinian suicide bombers the dictator previously provided,
according to a document recently seized in Iraq and obtained by
WorldNetDaily .

The document, discovered by a U.S. military unit on the body of an
Iraqi combatant in Northern Iraq in September, is a general
"Certificate of Martyrdom" honoring a family member who carries out a
suicide attack against Israelis. It was provided to WorldNetDaily by an
American military source in Iraq.

Unlike documents Saddam issued while in power, the new certificate
refers to the former Iraqi leader as a "Freedom Fighter" and is not
signed by Saddam himself, but by the "Iraq Sector Command," a reference
not previously used in such certificates, indicating that post-Saddam
militants may be seeking to fund Palestinian terrorism.

Military analysts experienced in Iraqi affairs told WorldNetDaily the
document appears indeed to be post-Saddam, although it is unclear
whether it was printed while Saddam went into hiding or after he was
captured in December 2003.

While in power, Saddam paid the families of Palestinian suicide bombers
as much as $25,000 each. The checks were thought to provide major
financial motivation to underprivileged teenagers who could help their
cash-strapped families with the payments that would be issued upon
completion of a suicide mission.

According to documents captured in 2002 by Israel's Operation Defensive
Shield, Saddam set up an "Arab Liberation Front" - a Ba'ath party
department in the Palestinian areas used to encourage terrorism and
issue checks, usually through the Palestine Investment Bank, to the
families of suicide bombers.

The payments were $15,000 at the start of the intifada, and were later
raised to $25,000.

Saddam would also issue checks of $10,000 to the families of "ordinary"
Palestinians killed in the intifada by other means, such as "through
the aggression of the Zionist army."

Along with the checks came the martyrdom certificates, signed by
Saddam, that read: "A gift from President Saddam Hussein to the family
of a martyr in the al-Aqsa intifada. To those who irrigate the land
with their blood. You deserve the honor you will receive from Allah and
you will defeat all who bow before your will."

A $25,000 check and martyrdom certificate, for example, was transferred
June 23, 2002, to Khaldiya Isma'il Abd Al-Aziz Al-Hurani, mother of the
Hamas terrorist Fuad Isma'il Ahmad Al-Hurani, who carried out a suicide
attack on March 19 of that year in Jerusalem's Moment Cafe. Eleven
Israelis were killed and 16 wounded in the attack.

Checks for $15,000 each were given along with the martyrdom
certificates to the families of Hamas suicide terrorists who blew
themselves up in Zion Square in Jerusalem Dec. 1, 2001.





Joe has voices in his head....


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,
We've been expecting you.

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OzOne wrote in message ...
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:01:12 -0800, "Capt. JG"
scribbled thusly:

"Joe" wrote in message
roups.com...
Yeah, and we didn't have 3000 dead US soldiers, 20,000 miamed solders,
500000 dead innocent Iraqis, and it's getting worse by the day!

No it's getting better. Less are getting killed every mo.


According to the Pentagon's report today...

22% more attacks
32% more military casualties
60% more civilian deaths

Did Joe actually say that?
Damn...he really does live in dreamland!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,
We've been expecting you.


Unfortunately, it's all too common here. Thus, we got Bush, Iraq, and
thousand dead and wounded.

I just heard that the crime stats are way up, mostly due to youth
violence... more guns in their hands. Instead of considering that homeland
security includes homeland crime prevention and preventing terrorist
attacks, the Bush administration, as usual, is inept.

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"Joe" wrote in message
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OzOne wrote:
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:12:22 -0800, "Capt. JG"
scribbled thusly:


You heard??? Well, that must settle it.

Palestinians get Saddam funds

Which has nothing to do with why we invaded Iraq.




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Capt. JG wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
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OzOne wrote:
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:12:22 -0800, "Capt. JG"
scribbled thusly:


You heard??? Well, that must settle it.

Palestinians get Saddam funds

Which has nothing to do with why we invaded Iraq.

You are dumber than a rock. This is a global war on terrorism.

Did you miss 9-11?

Joe






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"Joe" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
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OzOne wrote:
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:12:22 -0800, "Capt. JG"
scribbled thusly:


You heard??? Well, that must settle it.

Palestinians get Saddam funds

Which has nothing to do with why we invaded Iraq.

You are dumber than a rock. This is a global war on terrorism.

Did you miss 9-11?

Joe


Did you miss the "War on Poverty"?

The "War on Drugs"?

When do you think the "War on Terrorism" will end?

The War on Terrorism is a rehash of the Cold War. Big bucks for defense
contractors with very little bang.

If you want to win you have to be willing to fight, not provoke. At least
destroy all the oil fields. Then nuke 'em.

The US has not won a war since the Spanish American War. Since then they
have occasionally toppled governments but usually more people ended up in
totalitarian regimes then before the war was started.

WWI started WWII. WWII gave Communist Russia more territory and power than
ever. 18 million died at the hands of Stalin. Gave us the Cold War.

Gulf War I brought us Gulf War II.

We're still fighting the Korean War, I don't think we're winning there the
enemy has built nukes.

We lost in VietNam.

Now GW Bush, the monkey boy idiot, has given India Nuwkuler Technology.
People are worried that this technology might be stolen and passed on to
rogue states like N Korea. At least Clinton didn't do something stoopid like
that. He gave N Korea the technology directly.

Our own worst enemy is the federal gov't. We should be working to reduce its
size and scope.

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Gilligan wrote:


The US has not won a war since the Spanish American War.

You're forgetting Grenada, you guys kicked some serious ass there!

Cheers
Marty

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Gilligan wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Capt. JG wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

OzOne wrote:
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:12:22 -0800, "Capt. JG"
scribbled thusly:


You heard??? Well, that must settle it.

Palestinians get Saddam funds

Which has nothing to do with why we invaded Iraq.

You are dumber than a rock. This is a global war on terrorism.

Did you miss 9-11?

Joe


Did you miss the "War on Poverty"?

Yelp.

The "War on Drugs"?

Did you hear weed is now the number one cash crop in the USA..35
billion a year.

When do you think the "War on Terrorism" will end?

When radical islamic terrorists surrender or die



The War on Terrorism is a rehash of the Cold War.

Not so.

Big bucks for defense
contractors with very little bang.

Guess you havent seen the new raptors


If you want to win you have to be willing to fight, not provoke. At least
destroy all the oil fields. Then nuke 'em.

Hang in there Gilly, I think thats part of the Dems first 100 hour
plan.


The US has not won a war since the Spanish American War. Since then they
have occasionally toppled governments but usually more people ended up in
totalitarian regimes then before the war was started.

Tell that to the japs.

WWI started WWII. WWII gave Communist Russia more territory and power than
ever. 18 million died at the hands of Stalin. Gave us the Cold War.

Gulf War I brought us Gulf War II.

We're still fighting the Korean War, I don't think we're winning there the
enemy has built nukes.

We lost in VietNam.

Now GW Bush, the monkey boy idiot, has given India Nuwkuler Technology.
People are worried that this technology might be stolen and passed on to
rogue states like N Korea. At least Clinton didn't do something stoopid like
that. He gave N Korea the technology directly.

Our own worst enemy is the federal gov't. We should be working to reduce its
size and scope.

I'll vote for that!

Joe

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"Joe" wrote in message
ps.com...

Gilligan wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Capt. JG wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

OzOne wrote:
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:12:22 -0800, "Capt. JG"

scribbled thusly:


You heard??? Well, that must settle it.

Palestinians get Saddam funds

Which has nothing to do with why we invaded Iraq.

You are dumber than a rock. This is a global war on terrorism.

Did you miss 9-11?

Joe


Did you miss the "War on Poverty"?

Yelp.

I think it missed you.



The "War on Drugs"?

Did you hear weed is now the number one cash crop in the USA..35
billion a year.

A sure sign we're winning that war!


When do you think the "War on Terrorism" will end?

When radical islamic terrorists surrender or die


Mission accomplished!




The War on Terrorism is a rehash of the Cold War.

Not so.


Sure it is, but even better. Just like anyone could be a communist, anyone
could be a terrorist.


Big bucks for defense
contractors with very little bang.

Guess you havent seen the new raptors

Actually I've seen a bit more of them in the development phase than you can
imagine. How are Raptors going to crush the Islamofascist savages?

Will it make a few low passes overhead, they'll throw down their rifles and
surrender?

Maybe if we puts wheels on aircraft carriers, we could drive them into
Baghdad and the bad guys will surrender!





If you want to win you have to be willing to fight, not provoke. At least
destroy all the oil fields. Then nuke 'em.

Hang in there Gilly, I think thats part of the Dems first 100 hour
plan.


The US has not won a war since the Spanish American War. Since then they
have occasionally toppled governments but usually more people ended up in
totalitarian regimes then before the war was started.

Tell that to the japs.

And the Lithuanians, Belarusians, Latvians, Czechs, East Germans,
Bulgarians, Romanians, Poles, ...



WWI started WWII. WWII gave Communist Russia more territory and power
than
ever. 18 million died at the hands of Stalin. Gave us the Cold War.

Gulf War I brought us Gulf War II.

We're still fighting the Korean War, I don't think we're winning there
the
enemy has built nukes.

We lost in VietNam.

Now GW Bush, the monkey boy idiot, has given India Nuwkuler Technology.
People are worried that this technology might be stolen and passed on to
rogue states like N Korea. At least Clinton didn't do something stoopid
like
that. He gave N Korea the technology directly.

Our own worst enemy is the federal gov't. We should be working to reduce
its
size and scope.

I'll vote for that!

Joe

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"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
Gilligan wrote:


The US has not won a war since the Spanish American War.

You're forgetting Grenada, you guys kicked some serious ass there!

Cheers
Marty

Nope, Grenada was the final act of the Spanish American War!

Castro = more American meddling gone astray.

As a Canadian you should be calling for sanctions against the US!

No more maple syrup and hockey black outs! Bring America to its knees!

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"Joe" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
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OzOne wrote:
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:12:22 -0800, "Capt. JG"
scribbled thusly:


You heard??? Well, that must settle it.

Palestinians get Saddam funds

Which has nothing to do with why we invaded Iraq.

You are dumber than a rock. This is a global war on terrorism.

Did you miss 9-11?

Joe


There was no attack from Iraq on the US during 9/11. This is now, in
addition to a global war on terrorism, an Iraqi war that was a lie and is a
magnet for the creation of even more terrorists.

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...

There was no attack from Iraq on the US during 9/11. This is now, in
addition to a global war on terrorism, an Iraqi war that was a lie and is
a magnet for the creation of even more terrorists.

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Look at how many people would be out of work if our government wasn't
running around the globe stirring up trouble, creating new enemies and then
subsidizing them. If it weren't for that, then people might begin to realize
what is government really doing for me?

Creating the food pyramid that killed thousands and made many more fat.
Subsidized the food industry -sugar, milk, welfare for farmers.

Pumping ritalin into otherwise normal kids, highest pill prices in the
world - subsidized pharmeceutical industry.

Labors union exempt from anti trust laws- high labor costs.

Dollars for college education, yet college costs keep exceeding inflation.

Trillions for defense and we are always at war and losing to rag tag camel
nations!

Natural laws and the markets are rational and unforgiving. When the
government gets involved to circumvent these timeless laws the relief is
only temporary and the price becomes even higher.



He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from
opposition; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that
will reach himself. ~Thomas Paine


There are two freedoms - the false, where a man is free to do what he likes;
the true, where he is free to do what he ought. ~Charles Kingsley



We must be free not because we claim freedom, but because we practice it.
~William Faulkner

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Joe,

I can buy into that "Global War on Terrorist" If it is; THEN WHY IN THE
HELL CAN'T THE ADMIN. SAY IT??? I'm damn sick and tired of hearing what
is probably true but only get more & more lies from our Leaders.

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
OzOne wrote in message
...
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:01:12 -0800, "Capt. JG"
scribbled thusly:

"Joe" wrote in message
groups.com...
Yeah, and we didn't have 3000 dead US soldiers, 20,000 miamed solders,
500000 dead innocent Iraqis, and it's getting worse by the day!

No it's getting better. Less are getting killed every mo.


According to the Pentagon's report today...

22% more attacks
32% more military casualties
60% more civilian deaths

Did Joe actually say that?
Damn...he really does live in dreamland!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,
We've been expecting you.


Unfortunately, it's all too common here. Thus, we got Bush, Iraq, and
thousand dead and wounded.

I just heard that the crime stats are way up, mostly due to youth
violence... more guns in their hands. Instead of considering that homeland
security includes homeland crime prevention and preventing terrorist
attacks, the Bush administration, as usual, is inept.

--
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www.sailnow.com




So what's new about that?

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"Gilligan" wrote in message
. ..

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Capt. JG wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

OzOne wrote:
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:12:22 -0800, "Capt. JG"
scribbled thusly:


You heard??? Well, that must settle it.

Palestinians get Saddam funds

Which has nothing to do with why we invaded Iraq.

You are dumber than a rock. This is a global war on terrorism.

Did you miss 9-11?

Joe


Did you miss the "War on Poverty"?

The "War on Drugs"?

When do you think the "War on Terrorism" will end?

The War on Terrorism is a rehash of the Cold War. Big bucks for defense
contractors with very little bang.

If you want to win you have to be willing to fight, not provoke. At least
destroy all the oil fields. Then nuke 'em.

The US has not won a war since the Spanish American War. Since then they
have occasionally toppled governments but usually more people ended up in
totalitarian regimes then before the war was started.

WWI started WWII. WWII gave Communist Russia more territory and power than
ever. 18 million died at the hands of Stalin. Gave us the Cold War.

Gulf War I brought us Gulf War II.

We're still fighting the Korean War, I don't think we're winning there the
enemy has built nukes.

We lost in VietNam.

Now GW Bush, the monkey boy idiot, has given India Nuwkuler Technology.
People are worried that this technology might be stolen and passed on to
rogue states like N Korea. At least Clinton didn't do something stoopid
like that. He gave N Korea the technology directly.

Our own worst enemy is the federal gov't. We should be working to reduce
its size and scope.




Huzza, Mr. Gilligan!

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