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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 14:44:48 -0700, "Gilligan"

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:10:45 -0700, "Gilligan"
wrote:


"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
m...
On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 07:22:33 -0700, "Gilligan"
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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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On Wed, 6 Dec 2006 20:37:45 -0700, "Gilligan"


I'm not concerned because I know you are lying. I'm just calling you
a
liar, and
you have not been able to defend yourself against that charge.


I don't have to defend anything. It is you who must prove I am a liar,
as
it
is impossible for me to prove I am not a liar (one cannot prove a
negative).


You made a statement that you cannot support. You remain a liar until
you support it. In fact you will remain a liar because I know for a
fact that you cannot support it. Tell you what, Crantzy. If you know
my name, you can email me at:



How do I know that's really you and not your brother in Minnesota?


As I've said all along... you DON"T know. If you did, you wouldn't
need to ask so many questions. How many other brothers do I have that
I don't know about?




I'm looking forward to hearing from you. Of course if you know my real
name, you can do this and still not be revealing anything in public.
That really doen't leave you much of an excuse.


As I said your boat registration information is in the public domain.
You've
confirmed it.


Of course it's in the public domain. You just don't have access to it.


What don't I have access to? The fact you have owned your present boat
for
almost 42 months to the day?



Bzzzt! Sorry. Please try again.




Tell me about that hot tub!


Which one?

Pop a few glucosamines jump in and relax!


CWM


CWM

MS Keene State.



I have NO idea what that means. You are getting more and more desperate
and
wandering further and further afield.

CWM

That's very courteous of you to help the poor fellow out!

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wrote in message
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I MIGHT have been to Butler sinking creek in 1983 but I just do not
remember the name of the area. It was a valley where all the streams
went underground in TN.
We were in Co this past year and was tempted to look into Marble Mt
cave but the reality is that I am too out of shape to go serious
caving.
My wife and I lived in Casper, WY in 1980-83 so I do know of the Pedro
Mt mummy, strange.... That area has lots of cave potential and the
Pedro Mts are just one small Mt range out of many in WY. We almost
bought some property on the south side of Casper Mt this past year but
my business is going poorly so we didnt........

Also some diamonds near that area, some kimberlite pipes on the southern
border.




Predicting the locations of cave passage................the best we
coudl do was to stare at the cave map and try to look for patterns in
the fractal chaos. The best prediction was by dreaming. Once Frank H
dreamed of a room deep in South Climax cave and when we were there next
we actually found it down what we thought was a deadend passage. While
mapping the "Dream Room" we kept Frank awake (it was his habit to fall
asleep while mapping) for fear he would dream it out of existence while
we were in it.

Map the limestone layer against the surface gradient. Figure out where the
steep gulleys cut into the limestone layer. An additional indicator is the
emergence of streams. Works pretty well on mesa like features and canyon
walls. You might be interested in the Lost Creek Cave here. It is the
longest of its type in the world. I went into it in winter, the floor was
smooth ice. I don't think it is difficult.

http://www.alpinekarst.org/contents.html


Have you ever run into dead air in any caves? Ever do any dynamiting? Any
photos?


You've inspired me, I am going home to listen to Rick Wakeman's
"Journey to the Center of the Earth"


I had that album too.



How much of your business is through one time contracts?

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 18:03:25 -0700, "Mike Manners"
wrote:

I'm not sure how I helped him out. I really have no idea what "MS Keene
State"
has to do with anything.

CWM

A red herring. You have been quite helpful, but your secret is safe with me!
I promise to smash the decoder ring if the commies ever kick down the door.

Tell me about the hot tub!

Now get back to exposing stupidity where ever it exists! (and don't say
you've been doing it already in this thread).

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Gilligan wrote:
"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 18:03:25 -0700, "Mike Manners"
wrote:

I'm not sure how I helped him out. I really have no idea what "MS Keene
State"
has to do with anything.

CWM


A red herring. You have been quite helpful, but your secret is safe with me!
I promise to smash the decoder ring if the commies ever kick down the door.

Tell me about the hot tub!

Now get back to exposing stupidity where ever it exists! (and don't say
you've been doing it already in this thread).



I know all about the hot tub and that's all I'm saying...

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"Gilligan" wrote in message
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A red herring. You have been quite helpful, but your secret is safe with
me! I promise to smash the decoder ring if the commies ever kick down the
door.



Hopefully that red herring was served on a cold platter with finger napkins!

Don't forget to offer the commies tea when they knock. An unprepared host is
such a faux paus!

Small personalized towel beside the hot tub are a must.

Be polite!

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katy wrote:
Gilligan wrote:
"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 18:03:25 -0700, "Mike Manners"
wrote:

I'm not sure how I helped him out. I really have no idea what "MS Keene
State"
has to do with anything.

CWM


A red herring. You have been quite helpful, but your secret is safe with me!
I promise to smash the decoder ring if the commies ever kick down the door.

Tell me about the hot tub!

Now get back to exposing stupidity where ever it exists! (and don't say
you've been doing it already in this thread).



I know all about the hot tub and that's all I'm saying...

who don't now. Sorry Charlie..you blew your cover.

Joe

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Joe wrote:
katy wrote:
Gilligan wrote:
"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 18:03:25 -0700, "Mike Manners"
wrote:

I'm not sure how I helped him out. I really have no idea what "MS Keene
State"
has to do with anything.

CWM


A red herring. You have been quite helpful, but your secret is safe with me!
I promise to smash the decoder ring if the commies ever kick down the door.

Tell me about the hot tub!

Now get back to exposing stupidity where ever it exists! (and don't say
you've been doing it already in this thread).



I know all about the hot tub and that's all I'm saying...

who don't now. Sorry Charlie..you blew your cover.

Joe

Ran into "Dead air" in a cave in Texas. It felt very strange and the
carbide got dim. We got out in a hurry.
Took a bunch of cavers from Atlanta into South Climax Cave in S. GA, we
all got histo.
Used ANFO in the mid80s in the entrance to a cave in S. Ga, filled a
paint can with it with a cap, buried it 4' deep in a mud plug, go far
away. It loosened the mud but no more passage.
Got malaria during a cave trip to Belize.
My wife burned all the skin off her hands during a rapelling accident
in TX, she fell 70' before I caught her by putting my weight on the end
of the rope. I decided that if she would do that sort of thing I'd
marry her and proposed the next day.
My days of "real" caving are over but my 10 yr old daughter asks every
night when we are going caving again. She has been on 4 trips to
"real" caves and loved it.

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wrote in message
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Joe wrote:
katy wrote:
Gilligan wrote:
"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 18:03:25 -0700, "Mike Manners"

wrote:

I'm not sure how I helped him out. I really have no idea what "MS
Keene
State"
has to do with anything.

CWM


A red herring. You have been quite helpful, but your secret is safe
with me!
I promise to smash the decoder ring if the commies ever kick down the
door.

Tell me about the hot tub!

Now get back to exposing stupidity where ever it exists! (and don't
say
you've been doing it already in this thread).



I know all about the hot tub and that's all I'm saying...

who don't now. Sorry Charlie..you blew your cover.

Joe

Ran into "Dead air" in a cave in Texas. It felt very strange and the
carbide got dim. We got out in a hurry.
Took a bunch of cavers from Atlanta into South Climax Cave in S. GA, we
all got histo.
Used ANFO in the mid80s in the entrance to a cave in S. Ga, filled a
paint can with it with a cap, buried it 4' deep in a mud plug, go far
away. It loosened the mud but no more passage.
Got malaria during a cave trip to Belize.
My wife burned all the skin off her hands during a rapelling accident
in TX, she fell 70' before I caught her by putting my weight on the end
of the rope. I decided that if she would do that sort of thing I'd
marry her and proposed the next day.
My days of "real" caving are over but my 10 yr old daughter asks every
night when we are going caving again. She has been on 4 trips to
"real" caves and loved it.


That's really neat. I've done very little caving but a fair amount of
alpinism. If you get the kids started at an early age they learn to love it
and tend not to get all the adult anxieties.

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Gilligan wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

Joe wrote:
katy wrote:
Gilligan wrote:
"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 18:03:25 -0700, "Mike Manners"

wrote:

I'm not sure how I helped him out. I really have no idea what "MS
Keene
State"
has to do with anything.

CWM


A red herring. You have been quite helpful, but your secret is safe
with me!
I promise to smash the decoder ring if the commies ever kick down the
door.

Tell me about the hot tub!

Now get back to exposing stupidity where ever it exists! (and don't
say
you've been doing it already in this thread).



I know all about the hot tub and that's all I'm saying...

who don't now. Sorry Charlie..you blew your cover.

Joe

Ran into "Dead air" in a cave in Texas. It felt very strange and the
carbide got dim. We got out in a hurry.
Took a bunch of cavers from Atlanta into South Climax Cave in S. GA, we
all got histo.
Used ANFO in the mid80s in the entrance to a cave in S. Ga, filled a
paint can with it with a cap, buried it 4' deep in a mud plug, go far
away. It loosened the mud but no more passage.
Got malaria during a cave trip to Belize.
My wife burned all the skin off her hands during a rapelling accident
in TX, she fell 70' before I caught her by putting my weight on the end
of the rope. I decided that if she would do that sort of thing I'd
marry her and proposed the next day.
My days of "real" caving are over but my 10 yr old daughter asks every
night when we are going caving again. She has been on 4 trips to
"real" caves and loved it.


That's really neat. I've done very little caving but a fair amount of
alpinism. If you get the kids started at an early age they learn to love it
and tend not to get all the adult anxieties.

I did a lot of rock climbing and some mountaineering in the late 70s
and early 80s but soon it got to be fashionable and people started to
get really flashy gear. My old goldline wasn't cool. I took up caving
because it could never become fashionable (and due the obsession with
discovery). Cavers are always covered with mud and grunge so there is
no way to get good ad photos of cavers so gear couldnt get cool. We
used old seatbelt webbing to make our own harnessess, made our own
prusiks and most other climbing gear. My only concession to store
bought gear was a rack from Bob and Bob. Used old carbide lamps. For
boots we bought surplus jungle boots cuz in our grungy caves they would
last about a year only. The best packs were (and still are) surplus
army gas mask bags modified with fastek closures. We'd pool our money
to buy rope. Once bought 1500' of rope to do Golundrinas, had to wash
it to get the waxy stuff offa it (it'd be "too fast" otherwise) and you
shoulda seen the looks at the laundramat.
I'd re-use my "cave clothes" but would have to spread it all out in the
parking lot and hose it down with a huge red stain of mud running down
the street, people would just go by and stare and wonder. My friend
Frank would get his cave clothes by raiding dumpsters behind frat
houses and would show up at the cave in loose disco outfits. After a
trip he'd dump them in a moldering pile outside that was 3' high.

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Ran into "Dead air" in a cave in Texas. It felt very strange and the
carbide got dim. We got out in a hurry.


How does carbide get dim? Carbide lamps burn acetylene gas not carbide. Calcium carbide, for use
in carbide lamps, is a granular solid with no inherent brightness. When combined with water it produces
the aforementioned flammable gas.

Paladin
(Have gun-will travel)



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