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Gilligan wrote: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770 I think that parts of Mars look very much like Karst areas (this means caves) so I tell my kids that some day they will be able to explore caves on Mars. My 9 yr old daughter told me last time we went caving, "Daddy, I wont like it when the rocket goes so fast because it might explode". However, she was up for exploring caves there. I might be young enough to explore lava tubes on the moon when we finally get back there but the martian caves will have to wait for my kids. |
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wrote in message ups.com... Gilligan wrote: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770 I think that parts of Mars look very much like Karst areas (this means caves) so I tell my kids that some day they will be able to explore caves on Mars. My 9 yr old daughter told me last time we went caving, "Daddy, I wont like it when the rocket goes so fast because it might explode". However, she was up for exploring caves there. I might be young enough to explore lava tubes on the moon when we finally get back there but the martian caves will have to wait for my kids. Have you done any spelunking in Tennessee, Kentucky? |
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wrote in message ups.com... Gilligan wrote: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770 I think that parts of Mars look very much like Karst areas (this means caves) so I tell my kids that some day they will be able to explore caves on Mars. My 9 yr old daughter told me last time we went caving, "Daddy, I wont like it when the rocket goes so fast because it might explode". However, she was up for exploring caves there. I might be young enough to explore lava tubes on the moon when we finally get back there but the martian caves will have to wait for my kids. Have you done any spelunking in Tennessee, Kentucky? We've done Kentucky, Missouri, and South Dakota... |
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katy wrote: Gilligan wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Gilligan wrote: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770 I think that parts of Mars look very much like Karst areas (this means caves) so I tell my kids that some day they will be able to explore caves on Mars. My 9 yr old daughter told me last time we went caving, "Daddy, I wont like it when the rocket goes so fast because it might explode". However, she was up for exploring caves there. I might be young enough to explore lava tubes on the moon when we finally get back there but the martian caves will have to wait for my kids. Have you done any spelunking in Tennessee, Kentucky? We've done Kentucky, Missouri, and South Dakota... Done lotsa pits in TN, AL and GA, caves in FL, WY. |
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wrote in message ps.com... katy wrote: Gilligan wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Gilligan wrote: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770 I think that parts of Mars look very much like Karst areas (this means caves) so I tell my kids that some day they will be able to explore caves on Mars. My 9 yr old daughter told me last time we went caving, "Daddy, I wont like it when the rocket goes so fast because it might explode". However, she was up for exploring caves there. I might be young enough to explore lava tubes on the moon when we finally get back there but the martian caves will have to wait for my kids. Have you done any spelunking in Tennessee, Kentucky? We've done Kentucky, Missouri, and South Dakota... Done lotsa pits in TN, AL and GA, caves in FL, WY. What ones in Wyoming? Did you hear that Jeffrey City is booming again? |
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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... Debbie's done Dallas. CWM How does one go about lowering the coliform level in a hot tub? |
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On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 17:02:13 -0500, katy wrote: Gilligan wrote: wrote in message groups.com... Gilligan wrote: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770 I think that parts of Mars look very much like Karst areas (this means caves) so I tell my kids that some day they will be able to explore caves on Mars. My 9 yr old daughter told me last time we went caving, "Daddy, I wont like it when the rocket goes so fast because it might explode". However, she was up for exploring caves there. I might be young enough to explore lava tubes on the moon when we finally get back there but the martian caves will have to wait for my kids. Have you done any spelunking in Tennessee, Kentucky? We've done Kentucky, Missouri, and South Dakota... Debbie's done Dallas. CWM At her age, it's a widner she can still "do".... |
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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... Debbie's done Dallas. CWM How does one go about lowering the coliform level in a hot tub? chlorine bleach...lots of it... |
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Gilligan wrote: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770 If you could survive Neptune would have the best sailing..12,000 knot winds. Joe |
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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... BTW - If you think I revealed my real name in a thread about Hot Tubs, you are mistaken. I vaguely remember that exchange, and it was not my real name or hometown that was posted. Boo Hoo, Crantzy! Know-x failed you!!!! CWM What a strange person! Is there someone else I can talk to? I already told you where you revealed your name and you confirmed it. It was also double confirmed by assesor's records on that out of state land you own. Know-x had nothing to do with it as the assessor records are not available online for that state. Your boat registration is available online which triply confirms everything. No double secret probation for you! What thread about hot tubs are you talking about? Why does it concern you so much whether I know or don't know who you are? Aren't you being a little bit paranoid? You never did anything bad to me, you never really say anything bad either. I've done nothing but compliment you on the fine pictures you take, when RB said I was the 2nd best troll here I said you were #2 without any hesitation and gave the reasons why, I stuck up for you when everyone said you wished death upon Ole Thom (defending you is an unpopular position to take here), I don't interfere when you are giving someone a good beating and I'm taking the secret of your identity with me to the grave - I'll never tell! This is all done out of respect for you and the person that you are. You don't have to be so strange about it. So do you have to drain the whole hot tub when someone takes a dump in it or can you just pick out the solids, throw in some chemicals and run it through the filter for a few days? Or is it just a Baby Ruth sitting on the bottom? |
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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... On Wed, 6 Dec 2006 20:37:45 -0700, "Gilligan" I'm not concerned because I know you are lying. I'm just calling you a liar, and you have not been able to defend yourself against that charge. I don't have to defend anything. It is you who must prove I am a liar, as it is impossible for me to prove I am not a liar (one cannot prove a negative). As I said your boat registration information is in the public domain. You've confirmed it. Tell me about that hot tub! |
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Gilligan wrote: "Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... On Wed, 6 Dec 2006 20:37:45 -0700, "Gilligan" I'm not concerned because I know you are lying. I'm just calling you a liar, and you have not been able to defend yourself against that charge. I don't have to defend anything. It is you who must prove I am a liar, as it is impossible for me to prove I am not a liar (one cannot prove a negative). As I said your boat registration information is in the public domain. You've confirmed it. Tell me about that hot tub! Caving in WY: I did Great X and it was as difficult as its reputation. The entrrance was a tight squeeze. You had to duct tape cardboard to your coveralls cuz next you had a 90' drop in a crack covered with "Cave Velcro" that was so sharp it tore our coveralls to ribbons if we didnt have the cardboard. You couldnt use a rope in this drop cuz it would just snag on the "velcro". Next, you had to put your legs into plastic bags and tape em to your thighs cuz you dropped into a rushing stream with ice on the sides. You tied into a rope and alloowed the stream to carry you under a wall where you found yourself dangling in a small pit with waterfall sprray. Next, you had about a mile of breakdown squeeze passage that suddenly opened into an amazing hall that was enormous and seemed to stretch into infinity in the darkness. Our mission was to carry in supplies to use in case someone got injured in the cave. The strategy was to keep them in the cave for up to 4 weeks till they could heal a broken leg enough to do the gawdawful crawl back to the entrance. I took a brandnew Jansport pack on this trip and it was shreeded and useless afterwards. Did Bighorn Horsethief cave and it was not that impressive as caves go. The area known as "Armpit, WY" which is an old Uranium mine was entertaining. complete with moldering dynomite, a shack used by cavers with a woodstove. Did Fossil Mt Ice cave which is about 10,500" up on a Mt behind the Tetons. You have to walk up a snow field to the entrance, then climb a small frozen waterfall. Once inside, the "Snowball" room was like nothing I ever expect to see again. Covered with large bladelike ice crystals, it cannot really be described. Did Tongue River cave near Sheridan which was a nice cave with a lot of potential. The Canyon going up to it is beautiful. BTW, there is a section in one of the "Flashman" books ( I think it was "Flashman and the Redskins") where he recovers in this cave after witnessing the Battle of Little Bighorn. At least the description was so close that it has to be this one. In the East, did most of the classic TAG pits with all of my vertical climbing being done with Prusiks cuz I just liked em. Lotsa cavin in N. Fl and South Georgia. Caves in Mexico including Golundrinas, El Sotano Limon, El Sotano Tlamaya, El Precipicio. Caving in Belize, mostly small stuff in the San Augustin area in caves filled with Mayan artifacts. One cave in Venezuela on Mt Roraima. After my first child was born and a good caving buddy died in an underwater cave I gave up any notions of underwater caving. Then a good friend fell 180' in Moses' Tomb and lived, but is paralyzed and I mostly gave up vertivcal stuff. Today, I am afraid to even climb my mast. The last two times I went cavin it nearly killed me. It seems that in my age I have developed a tendency to become dehydrated without knowing it and I become sorta loopy then, not caring if I get outa the cave at all. This means I can only do wimpy cave stuff now but my kids love it. Gawd I love remembering those days. Every other night I have caving dreams where I discover a cave that leads to a new world. I rarely think about the past but when it comes to caving I could do it all day. |
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wrote in message ups.com... Gilligan wrote: "Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... On Wed, 6 Dec 2006 20:37:45 -0700, "Gilligan" I'm not concerned because I know you are lying. I'm just calling you a liar, and you have not been able to defend yourself against that charge. I don't have to defend anything. It is you who must prove I am a liar, as it is impossible for me to prove I am not a liar (one cannot prove a negative). As I said your boat registration information is in the public domain. You've confirmed it. Tell me about that hot tub! Caving in WY: I did Great X and it was as difficult as its reputation. The entrrance was a tight squeeze. You had to duct tape cardboard to your coveralls cuz next you had a 90' drop in a crack covered with "Cave Velcro" that was so sharp it tore our coveralls to ribbons if we didnt have the cardboard. You couldnt use a rope in this drop cuz it would just snag on the "velcro". Next, you had to put your legs into plastic bags and tape em to your thighs cuz you dropped into a rushing stream with ice on the sides. You tied into a rope and alloowed the stream to carry you under a wall where you found yourself dangling in a small pit with waterfall sprray. Next, you had about a mile of breakdown squeeze passage that suddenly opened into an amazing hall that was enormous and seemed to stretch into infinity in the darkness. Our mission was to carry in supplies to use in case someone got injured in the cave. The strategy was to keep them in the cave for up to 4 weeks till they could heal a broken leg enough to do the gawdawful crawl back to the entrance. I took a brandnew Jansport pack on this trip and it was shreeded and useless afterwards. Did Bighorn Horsethief cave and it was not that impressive as caves go. The area known as "Armpit, WY" which is an old Uranium mine was entertaining. complete with moldering dynomite, a shack used by cavers with a woodstove. Did Fossil Mt Ice cave which is about 10,500" up on a Mt behind the Tetons. You have to walk up a snow field to the entrance, then climb a small frozen waterfall. Once inside, the "Snowball" room was like nothing I ever expect to see again. Covered with large bladelike ice crystals, it cannot really be described. Did Tongue River cave near Sheridan which was a nice cave with a lot of potential. The Canyon going up to it is beautiful. BTW, there is a section in one of the "Flashman" books ( I think it was "Flashman and the Redskins") where he recovers in this cave after witnessing the Battle of Little Bighorn. At least the description was so close that it has to be this one. In the East, did most of the classic TAG pits with all of my vertical climbing being done with Prusiks cuz I just liked em. Lotsa cavin in N. Fl and South Georgia. Caves in Mexico including Golundrinas, El Sotano Limon, El Sotano Tlamaya, El Precipicio. Caving in Belize, mostly small stuff in the San Augustin area in caves filled with Mayan artifacts. One cave in Venezuela on Mt Roraima. After my first child was born and a good caving buddy died in an underwater cave I gave up any notions of underwater caving. Then a good friend fell 180' in Moses' Tomb and lived, but is paralyzed and I mostly gave up vertivcal stuff. Today, I am afraid to even climb my mast. The last two times I went cavin it nearly killed me. It seems that in my age I have developed a tendency to become dehydrated without knowing it and I become sorta loopy then, not caring if I get outa the cave at all. This means I can only do wimpy cave stuff now but my kids love it. Gawd I love remembering those days. Every other night I have caving dreams where I discover a cave that leads to a new world. I rarely think about the past but when it comes to caving I could do it all day. Damn, that quite impressive! Did you know Huntley Ingalls or Donald Davis? |
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Charlie Morgan wrote: On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:10:45 -0700, "Gilligan" wrote: "Charlie Morgan" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 07:22:33 -0700, "Gilligan" wrote: "Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... On Wed, 6 Dec 2006 20:37:45 -0700, "Gilligan" I'm not concerned because I know you are lying. I'm just calling you a liar, and you have not been able to defend yourself against that charge. I don't have to defend anything. It is you who must prove I am a liar, as it is impossible for me to prove I am not a liar (one cannot prove a negative). You made a statement that you cannot support. You remain a liar until you support it. In fact you will remain a liar because I know for a fact that you cannot support it. Tell you what, Crantzy. If you know my name, you can email me at: How do I know that's really you and not your brother in Minnesota? As I've said all along... you DON"T know. If you did, you wouldn't need to ask so many questions. How many other brothers do I have that I don't know about? I'm looking forward to hearing from you. Of course if you know my real name, you can do this and still not be revealing anything in public. That really doen't leave you much of an excuse. As I said your boat registration information is in the public domain. You've confirmed it. Of course it's in the public domain. You just don't have access to it. What don't I have access to? The fact you have owned your present boat for almost 42 months to the day? Bzzzt! Sorry. Please try again. Tell me about that hot tub! Which one? Pop a few glucosamines jump in and relax! CWM CWM Cannot recall the names. I do know Miles Hecker who is still caving in WY. I know Bob Montgomery although we have had a falling out for the last 20 years. Dont get me started, I'l be helplessly pulling out maps and going to check my old gear. The smell of carbide brings back so many memories. Sometimes when I am digging in the garden, I smell that musty odour of decay that you get in a cave and images rush back. There are very few ways that a man can engage in true discovery in 2006 but caving is one way. The knowledge that you are the first to go somewhere is a powerful drug once you've felt it and it'll get into you and make you do things you didnt think possible. Going somewhere that is so close to reality but so disconnected from everyday experience has to be experienced. It is a primeval world down there and I can almost feel that it is the chaos before God created light. The thing that drives cavers is the same thing that drives people to want to explore space, it isnt science, it is Discovery. If you're crazy enough to really want to go caving, you oughta get in touch with the NSS (National Spelelogical Society) on the web. Thye can tell where your local caving organization is located. Cavers tend to be secretive and it might be several trips before they allow you into their clique. Its really a matter of who you would trust with your life. Caving was the least expensive sport I ever did. Store bought outdoor gear just doesnt work for it so you use junk from other sports. You always look like crap so there is no motivation for anybody to make nice looking gear. My total outlay for personal caving gear in 1985 was about $100.00. We bought rope together. it is antithesis of sailing where all the gear looks nice and is really expensive. |
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wrote in message ps.com... Cannot recall the names. I do know Miles Hecker who is still caving in WY. I know Bob Montgomery although we have had a falling out for the last 20 years. Dont get me started, I'l be helplessly pulling out maps and going to check my old gear. The smell of carbide brings back so many memories. Sometimes when I am digging in the garden, I smell that musty odour of decay that you get in a cave and images rush back. There are very few ways that a man can engage in true discovery in 2006 but caving is one way. The knowledge that you are the first to go somewhere is a powerful drug once you've felt it and it'll get into you and make you do things you didnt think possible. Going somewhere that is so close to reality but so disconnected from everyday experience has to be experienced. It is a primeval world down there and I can almost feel that it is the chaos before God created light. The thing that drives cavers is the same thing that drives people to want to explore space, it isnt science, it is Discovery. If you're crazy enough to really want to go caving, you oughta get in touch with the NSS (National Spelelogical Society) on the web. Thye can tell where your local caving organization is located. Cavers tend to be secretive and it might be several trips before they allow you into their clique. Its really a matter of who you would trust with your life. Caving was the least expensive sport I ever did. Store bought outdoor gear just doesnt work for it so you use junk from other sports. You always look like crap so there is no motivation for anybody to make nice looking gear. My total outlay for personal caving gear in 1985 was about $100.00. We bought rope together. it is antithesis of sailing where all the gear looks nice and is really expensive. Ingalls discovered the Butler Sinking Creek system in Tennessee. I'm regularly at the Colorado School of Mines and they have a strong caving group there. They have even written software to predict where caves are, just to find some new ones. Check out Spanish Cave in Colorado: http://www.greatsanddunes.info/MarbleCaves.htm . Also check out the Pedro Mountain Mummy in Wyoming. |
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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:10:45 -0700, "Gilligan" wrote: "Charlie Morgan" wrote in message . .. On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 07:22:33 -0700, "Gilligan" wrote: "Charlie Morgan" wrote in message m... On Wed, 6 Dec 2006 20:37:45 -0700, "Gilligan" I'm not concerned because I know you are lying. I'm just calling you a liar, and you have not been able to defend yourself against that charge. I don't have to defend anything. It is you who must prove I am a liar, as it is impossible for me to prove I am not a liar (one cannot prove a negative). You made a statement that you cannot support. You remain a liar until you support it. In fact you will remain a liar because I know for a fact that you cannot support it. Tell you what, Crantzy. If you know my name, you can email me at: How do I know that's really you and not your brother in Minnesota? As I've said all along... you DON"T know. If you did, you wouldn't need to ask so many questions. How many other brothers do I have that I don't know about? I'm looking forward to hearing from you. Of course if you know my real name, you can do this and still not be revealing anything in public. That really doen't leave you much of an excuse. As I said your boat registration information is in the public domain. You've confirmed it. Of course it's in the public domain. You just don't have access to it. What don't I have access to? The fact you have owned your present boat for almost 42 months to the day? Bzzzt! Sorry. Please try again. Tell me about that hot tub! Which one? Pop a few glucosamines jump in and relax! CWM CWM MS Keene State. |
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Gilligan wrote: "Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:10:45 -0700, "Gilligan" wrote: "Charlie Morgan" wrote in message . .. On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 07:22:33 -0700, "Gilligan" wrote: "Charlie Morgan" wrote in message m... On Wed, 6 Dec 2006 20:37:45 -0700, "Gilligan" I'm not concerned because I know you are lying. I'm just calling you a liar, and you have not been able to defend yourself against that charge. I don't have to defend anything. It is you who must prove I am a liar, as it is impossible for me to prove I am not a liar (one cannot prove a negative). You made a statement that you cannot support. You remain a liar until you support it. In fact you will remain a liar because I know for a fact that you cannot support it. Tell you what, Crantzy. If you know my name, you can email me at: How do I know that's really you and not your brother in Minnesota? As I've said all along... you DON"T know. If you did, you wouldn't need to ask so many questions. How many other brothers do I have that I don't know about? I'm looking forward to hearing from you. Of course if you know my real name, you can do this and still not be revealing anything in public. That really doen't leave you much of an excuse. As I said your boat registration information is in the public domain. You've confirmed it. Of course it's in the public domain. You just don't have access to it. What don't I have access to? The fact you have owned your present boat for almost 42 months to the day? Bzzzt! Sorry. Please try again. Tell me about that hot tub! Which one? Pop a few glucosamines jump in and relax! CWM CWM MS Keene State. I MIGHT have been to Butler sinking creek in 1983 but I just do not remember the name of the area. It was a valley where all the streams went underground in TN. We were in Co this past year and was tempted to look into Marble Mt cave but the reality is that I am too out of shape to go serious caving. My wife and I lived in Casper, WY in 1980-83 so I do know of the Pedro Mt mummy, strange.... That area has lots of cave potential and the Pedro Mts are just one small Mt range out of many in WY. We almost bought some property on the south side of Casper Mt this past year but my business is going poorly so we didnt........ Predicting the locations of cave passage................the best we coudl do was to stare at the cave map and try to look for patterns in the fractal chaos. The best prediction was by dreaming. Once Frank H dreamed of a room deep in South Climax cave and when we were there next we actually found it down what we thought was a deadend passage. While mapping the "Dream Room" we kept Frank awake (it was his habit to fall asleep while mapping) for fear he would dream it out of existence while we were in it. You've inspired me, I am going home to listen to Rick Wakeman's "Journey to the Center of the Earth" |
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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 14:44:48 -0700, "Gilligan" wrote: "Charlie Morgan" wrote in message . .. On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:10:45 -0700, "Gilligan" wrote: "Charlie Morgan" wrote in message m... On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 07:22:33 -0700, "Gilligan" wrote: "Charlie Morgan" wrote in message news:2uufn29qf7urnia6ftjs4pjess4ll4aia2@4ax. com... On Wed, 6 Dec 2006 20:37:45 -0700, "Gilligan" I'm not concerned because I know you are lying. I'm just calling you a liar, and you have not been able to defend yourself against that charge. I don't have to defend anything. It is you who must prove I am a liar, as it is impossible for me to prove I am not a liar (one cannot prove a negative). You made a statement that you cannot support. You remain a liar until you support it. In fact you will remain a liar because I know for a fact that you cannot support it. Tell you what, Crantzy. If you know my name, you can email me at: How do I know that's really you and not your brother in Minnesota? As I've said all along... you DON"T know. If you did, you wouldn't need to ask so many questions. How many other brothers do I have that I don't know about? I'm looking forward to hearing from you. Of course if you know my real name, you can do this and still not be revealing anything in public. That really doen't leave you much of an excuse. As I said your boat registration information is in the public domain. You've confirmed it. Of course it's in the public domain. You just don't have access to it. What don't I have access to? The fact you have owned your present boat for almost 42 months to the day? Bzzzt! Sorry. Please try again. Tell me about that hot tub! Which one? Pop a few glucosamines jump in and relax! CWM CWM MS Keene State. I have NO idea what that means. You are getting more and more desperate and wandering further and further afield. CWM That's very courteous of you to help the poor fellow out! |
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wrote in message ups.com... I MIGHT have been to Butler sinking creek in 1983 but I just do not remember the name of the area. It was a valley where all the streams went underground in TN. We were in Co this past year and was tempted to look into Marble Mt cave but the reality is that I am too out of shape to go serious caving. My wife and I lived in Casper, WY in 1980-83 so I do know of the Pedro Mt mummy, strange.... That area has lots of cave potential and the Pedro Mts are just one small Mt range out of many in WY. We almost bought some property on the south side of Casper Mt this past year but my business is going poorly so we didnt........ Also some diamonds near that area, some kimberlite pipes on the southern border. Predicting the locations of cave passage................the best we coudl do was to stare at the cave map and try to look for patterns in the fractal chaos. The best prediction was by dreaming. Once Frank H dreamed of a room deep in South Climax cave and when we were there next we actually found it down what we thought was a deadend passage. While mapping the "Dream Room" we kept Frank awake (it was his habit to fall asleep while mapping) for fear he would dream it out of existence while we were in it. Map the limestone layer against the surface gradient. Figure out where the steep gulleys cut into the limestone layer. An additional indicator is the emergence of streams. Works pretty well on mesa like features and canyon walls. You might be interested in the Lost Creek Cave here. It is the longest of its type in the world. I went into it in winter, the floor was smooth ice. I don't think it is difficult. http://www.alpinekarst.org/contents.html Have you ever run into dead air in any caves? Ever do any dynamiting? Any photos? You've inspired me, I am going home to listen to Rick Wakeman's "Journey to the Center of the Earth" I had that album too. How much of your business is through one time contracts? |
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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 18:03:25 -0700, "Mike Manners" wrote: I'm not sure how I helped him out. I really have no idea what "MS Keene State" has to do with anything. CWM A red herring. You have been quite helpful, but your secret is safe with me! I promise to smash the decoder ring if the commies ever kick down the door. Tell me about the hot tub! Now get back to exposing stupidity where ever it exists! (and don't say you've been doing it already in this thread). |
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Gilligan wrote:
"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 18:03:25 -0700, "Mike Manners" wrote: I'm not sure how I helped him out. I really have no idea what "MS Keene State" has to do with anything. CWM A red herring. You have been quite helpful, but your secret is safe with me! I promise to smash the decoder ring if the commies ever kick down the door. Tell me about the hot tub! Now get back to exposing stupidity where ever it exists! (and don't say you've been doing it already in this thread). I know all about the hot tub and that's all I'm saying... |
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"Gilligan" wrote in message . .. A red herring. You have been quite helpful, but your secret is safe with me! I promise to smash the decoder ring if the commies ever kick down the door. Hopefully that red herring was served on a cold platter with finger napkins! Don't forget to offer the commies tea when they knock. An unprepared host is such a faux paus! Small personalized towel beside the hot tub are a must. Be polite! |
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katy wrote: Gilligan wrote: "Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 18:03:25 -0700, "Mike Manners" wrote: I'm not sure how I helped him out. I really have no idea what "MS Keene State" has to do with anything. CWM A red herring. You have been quite helpful, but your secret is safe with me! I promise to smash the decoder ring if the commies ever kick down the door. Tell me about the hot tub! Now get back to exposing stupidity where ever it exists! (and don't say you've been doing it already in this thread). I know all about the hot tub and that's all I'm saying... who don't now. Sorry Charlie..you blew your cover. Joe |
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Joe wrote: katy wrote: Gilligan wrote: "Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 18:03:25 -0700, "Mike Manners" wrote: I'm not sure how I helped him out. I really have no idea what "MS Keene State" has to do with anything. CWM A red herring. You have been quite helpful, but your secret is safe with me! I promise to smash the decoder ring if the commies ever kick down the door. Tell me about the hot tub! Now get back to exposing stupidity where ever it exists! (and don't say you've been doing it already in this thread). I know all about the hot tub and that's all I'm saying... who don't now. Sorry Charlie..you blew your cover. Joe Ran into "Dead air" in a cave in Texas. It felt very strange and the carbide got dim. We got out in a hurry. Took a bunch of cavers from Atlanta into South Climax Cave in S. GA, we all got histo. Used ANFO in the mid80s in the entrance to a cave in S. Ga, filled a paint can with it with a cap, buried it 4' deep in a mud plug, go far away. It loosened the mud but no more passage. Got malaria during a cave trip to Belize. My wife burned all the skin off her hands during a rapelling accident in TX, she fell 70' before I caught her by putting my weight on the end of the rope. I decided that if she would do that sort of thing I'd marry her and proposed the next day. My days of "real" caving are over but my 10 yr old daughter asks every night when we are going caving again. She has been on 4 trips to "real" caves and loved it. |
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wrote in message ups.com... Joe wrote: katy wrote: Gilligan wrote: "Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 18:03:25 -0700, "Mike Manners" wrote: I'm not sure how I helped him out. I really have no idea what "MS Keene State" has to do with anything. CWM A red herring. You have been quite helpful, but your secret is safe with me! I promise to smash the decoder ring if the commies ever kick down the door. Tell me about the hot tub! Now get back to exposing stupidity where ever it exists! (and don't say you've been doing it already in this thread). I know all about the hot tub and that's all I'm saying... who don't now. Sorry Charlie..you blew your cover. Joe Ran into "Dead air" in a cave in Texas. It felt very strange and the carbide got dim. We got out in a hurry. Took a bunch of cavers from Atlanta into South Climax Cave in S. GA, we all got histo. Used ANFO in the mid80s in the entrance to a cave in S. Ga, filled a paint can with it with a cap, buried it 4' deep in a mud plug, go far away. It loosened the mud but no more passage. Got malaria during a cave trip to Belize. My wife burned all the skin off her hands during a rapelling accident in TX, she fell 70' before I caught her by putting my weight on the end of the rope. I decided that if she would do that sort of thing I'd marry her and proposed the next day. My days of "real" caving are over but my 10 yr old daughter asks every night when we are going caving again. She has been on 4 trips to "real" caves and loved it. That's really neat. I've done very little caving but a fair amount of alpinism. If you get the kids started at an early age they learn to love it and tend not to get all the adult anxieties. |
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Gilligan wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Joe wrote: katy wrote: Gilligan wrote: "Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 18:03:25 -0700, "Mike Manners" wrote: I'm not sure how I helped him out. I really have no idea what "MS Keene State" has to do with anything. CWM A red herring. You have been quite helpful, but your secret is safe with me! I promise to smash the decoder ring if the commies ever kick down the door. Tell me about the hot tub! Now get back to exposing stupidity where ever it exists! (and don't say you've been doing it already in this thread). I know all about the hot tub and that's all I'm saying... who don't now. Sorry Charlie..you blew your cover. Joe Ran into "Dead air" in a cave in Texas. It felt very strange and the carbide got dim. We got out in a hurry. Took a bunch of cavers from Atlanta into South Climax Cave in S. GA, we all got histo. Used ANFO in the mid80s in the entrance to a cave in S. Ga, filled a paint can with it with a cap, buried it 4' deep in a mud plug, go far away. It loosened the mud but no more passage. Got malaria during a cave trip to Belize. My wife burned all the skin off her hands during a rapelling accident in TX, she fell 70' before I caught her by putting my weight on the end of the rope. I decided that if she would do that sort of thing I'd marry her and proposed the next day. My days of "real" caving are over but my 10 yr old daughter asks every night when we are going caving again. She has been on 4 trips to "real" caves and loved it. That's really neat. I've done very little caving but a fair amount of alpinism. If you get the kids started at an early age they learn to love it and tend not to get all the adult anxieties. I did a lot of rock climbing and some mountaineering in the late 70s and early 80s but soon it got to be fashionable and people started to get really flashy gear. My old goldline wasn't cool. I took up caving because it could never become fashionable (and due the obsession with discovery). Cavers are always covered with mud and grunge so there is no way to get good ad photos of cavers so gear couldnt get cool. We used old seatbelt webbing to make our own harnessess, made our own prusiks and most other climbing gear. My only concession to store bought gear was a rack from Bob and Bob. Used old carbide lamps. For boots we bought surplus jungle boots cuz in our grungy caves they would last about a year only. The best packs were (and still are) surplus army gas mask bags modified with fastek closures. We'd pool our money to buy rope. Once bought 1500' of rope to do Golundrinas, had to wash it to get the waxy stuff offa it (it'd be "too fast" otherwise) and you shoulda seen the looks at the laundramat. I'd re-use my "cave clothes" but would have to spread it all out in the parking lot and hose it down with a huge red stain of mud running down the street, people would just go by and stare and wonder. My friend Frank would get his cave clothes by raiding dumpsters behind frat houses and would show up at the cave in loose disco outfits. After a trip he'd dump them in a moldering pile outside that was 3' high. |
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wrote in message ups.com... Ran into "Dead air" in a cave in Texas. It felt very strange and the carbide got dim. We got out in a hurry. How does carbide get dim? Carbide lamps burn acetylene gas not carbide. Calcium carbide, for use in carbide lamps, is a granular solid with no inherent brightness. When combined with water it produces the aforementioned flammable gas. Paladin (Have gun-will travel) -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Paladin wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Ran into "Dead air" in a cave in Texas. It felt very strange and the carbide got dim. We got out in a hurry. How does carbide get dim? Carbide lamps burn acetylene gas not carbide. Calcium carbide, for use in carbide lamps, is a granular solid with no inherent brightness. When combined with water it produces the aforementioned flammable gas. Paladin (Have gun-will travel) -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com I meant the carbide lamps got dim from lack of oxygen. |
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wrote in message ps.com... I did a lot of rock climbing and some mountaineering in the late 70s and early 80s but soon it got to be fashionable and people started to get really flashy gear. My old goldline wasn't cool. I took up caving because it could never become fashionable (and due the obsession with discovery). Cavers are always covered with mud and grunge so there is no way to get good ad photos of cavers so gear couldnt get cool. We used old seatbelt webbing to make our own harnessess, made our own prusiks and most other climbing gear. My only concession to store bought gear was a rack from Bob and Bob. Used old carbide lamps. For boots we bought surplus jungle boots cuz in our grungy caves they would last about a year only. The best packs were (and still are) surplus army gas mask bags modified with fastek closures. We'd pool our money to buy rope. Once bought 1500' of rope to do Golundrinas, had to wash it to get the waxy stuff offa it (it'd be "too fast" otherwise) and you shoulda seen the looks at the laundramat. I'd re-use my "cave clothes" but would have to spread it all out in the parking lot and hose it down with a huge red stain of mud running down the street, people would just go by and stare and wonder. My friend Frank would get his cave clothes by raiding dumpsters behind frat houses and would show up at the cave in loose disco outfits. After a trip he'd dump them in a moldering pile outside that was 3' high. I know what you mean. When climbing went into the pink tights phase my friends and I went retro. Wool knicker, cutting steps, WWI googles etc, etc. My friend still does it and he gets stares. I go for the lighter stuff and carry as little as possible. I still get a reaction whenever I use an old cycling helmet for climbing. One time we were downclimbing the Grand Teton in the dark. I was much faster than my partner at down climbing so I reached the lower saddle nearly an hour before he did. I was standing with a bunch of other climbers chatting. Up on the Grand you could hear my friend stumbling and rocks crashing. A number of people in our little chat group had headlamps and they were on. One of them asked, "Why isn't your friend using a headlamp?" So I yelled up to him, "Why don't you use your headlamp?" The reply bellowed from the mountain: " Headlamps are for pussies!" Immediately, everyone in the group turned off their headlamps. I'm sure that from that incident alone mountaineering was kept in its glorious golden years for at least a few more months. |
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Gilligan wrote: wrote in message ps.com... I did a lot of rock climbing and some mountaineering in the late 70s and early 80s but soon it got to be fashionable and people started to get really flashy gear. My old goldline wasn't cool. I took up caving because it could never become fashionable (and due the obsession with discovery). Cavers are always covered with mud and grunge so there is no way to get good ad photos of cavers so gear couldnt get cool. We used old seatbelt webbing to make our own harnessess, made our own prusiks and most other climbing gear. My only concession to store bought gear was a rack from Bob and Bob. Used old carbide lamps. For boots we bought surplus jungle boots cuz in our grungy caves they would last about a year only. The best packs were (and still are) surplus army gas mask bags modified with fastek closures. We'd pool our money to buy rope. Once bought 1500' of rope to do Golundrinas, had to wash it to get the waxy stuff offa it (it'd be "too fast" otherwise) and you shoulda seen the looks at the laundramat. I'd re-use my "cave clothes" but would have to spread it all out in the parking lot and hose it down with a huge red stain of mud running down the street, people would just go by and stare and wonder. My friend Frank would get his cave clothes by raiding dumpsters behind frat houses and would show up at the cave in loose disco outfits. After a trip he'd dump them in a moldering pile outside that was 3' high. I know what you mean. When climbing went into the pink tights phase my friends and I went retro. Wool knicker, cutting steps, WWI googles etc, etc. My friend still does it and he gets stares. I go for the lighter stuff and carry as little as possible. I still get a reaction whenever I use an old cycling helmet for climbing. One time we were downclimbing the Grand Teton in the dark. I was much faster than my partner at down climbing so I reached the lower saddle nearly an hour before he did. I was standing with a bunch of other climbers chatting. Up on the Grand you could hear my friend stumbling and rocks crashing. A number of people in our little chat group had headlamps and they were on. One of them asked, "Why isn't your friend using a headlamp?" So I yelled up to him, "Why don't you use your headlamp?" The reply bellowed from the mountain: " Headlamps are for pussies!" Immediately, everyone in the group turned off their headlamps. I'm sure that from that incident alone mountaineering was kept in its glorious golden years for at least a few more months. I never did climb the Tetons, We did do Devils Tower (Durrance Route). The macho BS that people put up with really causes safety problems and I see this in sailing too. My friend who was paralyzed by his 180' fall in Moses Tomb is a good example. He allowed himself to be cowed into using only two brake bars on brand new rope. The people who called him a wuss for wanting to use more were some of the "Well known TAG vertical cavers". New waxy rope starts slow, heats up and gets very fast. He was not too experienced so allowed himslef to be convinced. I saw another very well known caver tie off to ab obviously dead treee and then not use a rope pad. I learned vertical caving from a lesbian couple who had no sense of macho BS. They really were into safety and would not allow anybody on their trips unless he passed a rigourous test that included being able to climb 750' in 20 minutes on prusiks, rapell down to aknot and change over to climbing, climb and then change over to rapell, change from one rope to another during a climb or rapell, get out of a heel hang situation, know how to climb tandem and a lot more. Others thought this was stupid but after going on trips with them I knew I was better than anybody else on any other trip. Their guidance gave me enough confidence that I just knew everybody else was f547ke8 up and decided to always be the last out of a pit. I was always amazed at the dumb-ass macho crap that I had to help people get out of. A couple years ago, SAIL mag referred to a harbor in the bahamas as "Chicken harbor" because of the people who waited there for great weather before making the Gulf Stream crossing. They said that people should not wait so much but should be corageous and just go. That was crap and has probably resulted in deaths. In dangerous sports, if you just follow the crowd, you might die. |
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