"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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For a solo sailor, or a not-overly-large couple,
the boat is perfect.


I agree to some degree, but your boat is really quite capable of an
ocean voyage, is also very solidly built and is a LOT more fun to sail.

The question comes as to whether the W32 is overbuilt or grotesquely
overbuilt. An off the rack Caliber or Island Packet is probably just as
capable, more fun to sail and a lot more pleasing to be aboard much of
the time. Of course I'm a Long Island Sound sailor where such boats,
even Cape Dory's are thought of as motorsailors. Finally...does one buy
a vessel for typcial sailing conditions or the Perfect Storm?


Robert B
Beneteau 35s5
NY


The average boater buys for "typical sailing conditions," then lives in fear
of getting caught out in anything stronger than 15 knots. I'll take the
Wetsnail over a modern putty boat any day of the week, and twice on Sundays.

"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et...

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

For a solo sailor, or a not-overly-large couple,
the boat is perfect.


I agree to some degree, but your boat is really quite capable of an
ocean voyage, is also very solidly built and is a LOT more fun to sail.

The question comes as to whether the W32 is overbuilt or grotesquely
overbuilt. An off the rack Caliber or Island Packet is probably just as
capable, more fun to sail and a lot more pleasing to be aboard much of
the time. Of course I'm a Long Island Sound sailor where such boats,
even Cape Dory's are thought of as motorsailors. Finally...does one buy
a vessel for typcial sailing conditions or the Perfect Storm?


Robert B
Beneteau 35s5
NY


The average boater buys for "typical sailing conditions," then lives in
fear of getting caught out in anything stronger than 15 knots. I'll take
the Wetsnail over a modern putty boat any day of the week, and twice on
Sundays.

Out here, the typical sailing conditions are 20kts or more, and it's not
that unusual to see over 30kts in the summer months. I dread the days when
they're under 10kts, although it does make for excellent scenary/photography
for guests.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Capt. JG wrote:

The question comes as to whether the W32 is overbuilt or grotesquely
overbuilt. An off the rack Caliber or Island Packet is probably just as
capable, more fun to sail and a lot more pleasing to be aboard much of
the time. Of course I'm a Long Island Sound sailor where such boats,
even Cape Dory's are thought of as motorsailors. Finally...does one buy
a vessel for typcial sailing conditions or the Perfect Storm?


Robert B
Beneteau 35s5
NY

The average boater buys for "typical sailing conditions," then lives in
fear of getting caught out in anything stronger than 15 knots. I'll take
the Wetsnail over a modern putty boat any day of the week, and twice on
Sundays.

Out here, the typical sailing conditions are 20kts or more, and it's not
that unusual to see over 30kts in the summer months. I dread the days when
they're under 10kts, although it does make for excellent scenary/photography
for guests.


And yet, the average wind in SF is lighter than in NY at LaGuardia or
in Boston at Logan. Of course, SF has its strongest wind in the
summer while we have it in the winter.

http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/...d/avgwind.html

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
Capt. JG wrote:

The question comes as to whether the W32 is overbuilt or grotesquely
overbuilt. An off the rack Caliber or Island Packet is probably just as
capable, more fun to sail and a lot more pleasing to be aboard much of
the time. Of course I'm a Long Island Sound sailor where such boats,
even Cape Dory's are thought of as motorsailors. Finally...does one buy
a vessel for typcial sailing conditions or the Perfect Storm?


Robert B
Beneteau 35s5
NY

The average boater buys for "typical sailing conditions," then lives in
fear of getting caught out in anything stronger than 15 knots. I'll take
the Wetsnail over a modern putty boat any day of the week, and twice on
Sundays.

Out here, the typical sailing conditions are 20kts or more, and it's not
that unusual to see over 30kts in the summer months. I dread the days
when they're under 10kts, although it does make for excellent
scenary/photography for guests.


And yet, the average wind in SF is lighter than in NY at LaGuardia or in
Boston at Logan. Of course, SF has its strongest wind in the summer while
we have it in the winter.

http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/...d/avgwind.html

You're talking about airports. I'm talking about the slot.

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www.sailnow.com

"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et...

The average boater buys for "typical sailing conditions," then lives in
fear of getting caught out in anything stronger than 15 knots. I'll take
the Wetsnail over a modern putty boat any day of the week, and twice on
Sundays.

The competent sailor has confidence in his abilities and knows his
limitations. The "average boater" you describe above is a typical Catalina
30 owner who never really learned to sail and doesn't know enough about
heavy weather sailing to be anything but a hazard to himself and his
passengers. His Catalina is stout enough to handle 70kts and big waves, but
he most likely isn't. If he knew what he was doing, he wouldn't need an
overbuilt boat like the Wetsnail.

Max

"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et...

The average boater buys for "typical sailing conditions," then lives in
fear of getting caught out in anything stronger than 15 knots. I'll take
the Wetsnail over a modern putty boat any day of the week, and twice on
Sundays.

The competent sailor has confidence in his abilities and knows his
limitations. The "average boater" you describe above is a typical
Catalina 30 owner who never really learned to sail and doesn't know enough
about heavy weather sailing to be anything but a hazard to himself and his
passengers. His Catalina is stout enough to handle 70kts and big waves,
but he most likely isn't. If he knew what he was doing, he wouldn't need
an overbuilt boat like the Wetsnail.

Max


So are you saying that the "average" sailor is also a competent one?

"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et...

"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et...

The average boater buys for "typical sailing conditions," then lives in
fear of getting caught out in anything stronger than 15 knots. I'll take
the Wetsnail over a modern putty boat any day of the week, and twice on
Sundays.

The competent sailor has confidence in his abilities and knows his
limitations. The "average boater" you describe above is a typical
Catalina 30 owner who never really learned to sail and doesn't know
enough about heavy weather sailing to be anything but a hazard to himself
and his passengers. His Catalina is stout enough to handle 70kts and big
waves, but he most likely isn't. If he knew what he was doing, he
wouldn't need an overbuilt boat like the Wetsnail.

Max


So are you saying that the "average" sailor is also a competent one?

To the contrary. The average sailor is like the average golfer--good enough
to play the game but not to score well.

Max

"Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net...

To the contrary. The average sailor is like the average golfer--good enough to play the game but not to score well.

Max


That is laughable. The average sailor is nothing like the average golfer.
The average golfer is out on the course regularly. He spends more time
golfing than talking about golf. He has pride in his game. The average
sailor sits around and jaw jacks about sailing more than he actually sails.
His verbiage consists of the transparent sort that leads a competent
listener to conclude forthwith that he is full of ****.

But, you are correct, sir, when you allude to the specific of competency
level. I could posit a golfer who never swung a club being able to negotiate
a golf course with greater dispatch than a new sailor with a new boat being
able to negotiate a crowded inlet with aplomb if not without incident.

In general, people who sail don't take it seriously, instead they use sailing as
a means of escape. In most cases they are escaping a life consisting of one
shameful failure after another, thus they have no expectations other than
failure when it comes to sailing. Should they screw up to a grand extent, they
can always write a horror story and submit it to a sailing magazine which will
happily and with great dispatch print it knowing their readers will readily
identify with it and lap it up like so much milk and honey. It's par for the
sailing course!

Such is the sad state of sailing.

Paladin,
(Have gun - will travel)



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Paladin wrote:

To the contrary. The average sailor is like the average golfer--good enough to play the game but not to score well.
Max


That is laughable. The average sailor is nothing like the average golfer.

In general, people who sail don't take it seriously, instead they use sailing as
a means of escape. In most cases they are escaping a life consisting of one
shameful failure after another, thus they have no expectations other than
failure when it comes to sailing. Should they screw up to a grand extent, they
can always write a horror story and submit it to a sailing magazine which will
happily and with great dispatch print it knowing their readers will readily
identify with it and lap it up like so much milk and honey. It's par for the
sailing course!
Such is the sad state of sailing.
Paladin,


So where would you place yourself in that discription?

In general, people who sail don't take it seriously, instead they use
sailing as
a means of escape. In most cases they are escaping a life consisting of
one
shameful failure after another, thus they have no expectations other
than
failure when it comes to sailing.



In general people who sail like to go sailing. They generally have fun
no matter how "seriously" they approach it. Then there is a small
minority who appear to be obsessed, worried and jealous of how others
enjoy their boats. I have only encountered the latter online and for
the most part even those folks are just kidding.
Let's hope you are as well.


Robert B
Beneteau 35s5
NY
See our Heart of Gold under sail....
http://youtube.com/watch?v=d0nSgsgOApg