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"Gilligan" wrote in
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And why would they launch more fighters when they always
have a CAP
overhead?

The CAP flies a 200 mile radius, it's not overhead.

It flies underhead?

It is silly to try and use million dollar missiles to
knock a large toy RC
plane out of the sky. The Bismarck was sunk by biplanes
because the gun
directors on the Bismarck were not calibrated for such
slow flying planes.
Will history repeat itself?

Iran has biplanes?

S

"Gilligan" wrote in
message . ..

At one time Iran had the 2nd largest F-14 force in the
world.

At one time Britannia ruled the seas, my friend. What's
your point?

Scotty

Gilligan wrote:
"DSK" wrote in message
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That certainly carries the ring of truth: "scrambling" a helicopter for
an air intercept.

Gilligan wrote:
There's always a helo ready to go when launch/recovery ops under way.

Sure is. Tell me though, what's the platform and what's the loadout for
air-to-air mission, ANY current U.S. military rotating-wing unit (much
less carrier cert)?

AIM-9 air to air missile on:

AH-64.

http://www.novia.net/~tomcat/AIM-9.html

AH-1Z:

http://www.bellhelicopter.textron.co.../bellAH-1Z.cfm

AH-1W Flying off of the USS Bataan with AIM-9 missiles:

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/supcobra/

The real question: is the heat signature of the drone enough for any missile
in the Navy inventory? Probably not. No fighter jet will lock onto that slow
moving, small drone. So send a helicopter up with a 30 caliber machine gun
and knock it out of the sky.

And why would they launch more fighters when they always have a CAP
overhead?

The CAP flies a 200 mile radius, it's not overhead.

It's not just bull****, it's silly.

It is silly to try and use million dollar missiles to knock a large toy RC
plane out of the sky. The Bismarck was sunk by biplanes because the gun
directors on the Bismarck were not calibrated for such slow flying planes.
Will history repeat itself?

How's about the Phalanx
..
A "last line of defense" for ships, the Phalanx is a rapid-fire,
computer-controlled radar and 20-millimeter gun system that can
automatically track and destroy close-range enemy threats such as
low-flying cruise missiles, small boats and helicopters. Since 1979,
more than 850 Phalanx systems have been built and deployed in the
navies of 22 allied nations, Raytheon says.

Firing 3,000 to 4,500 armor-piercing rounds per minute, the Phalanx was
battle-tested by the British during the Falklands War. The advanced
Phalanx 1B version includes advanced Forward Looking Infrared (FLIR)
and beefier gun barrels.

Joe

DSK

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

How's about the Phalanx
.
A "last line of defense" for ships, the Phalanx is a rapid-fire,
computer-controlled radar and 20-millimeter gun system that can
automatically track and destroy close-range enemy threats such as
low-flying cruise missiles, small boats and helicopters. Since 1979,
more than 850 Phalanx systems have been built and deployed in the
navies of 22 allied nations, Raytheon says.

Firing 3,000 to 4,500 armor-piercing rounds per minute, the Phalanx was
battle-tested by the British during the Falklands War. The advanced
Phalanx 1B version includes advanced Forward Looking Infrared (FLIR)
and beefier gun barrels.

http://eightiesclub.tripod.com/id344.htm

http://www.navybook.com/nohigherhonor/

First you have to turn the Phalanx on. It has a warm up time.

"Scotty" wrote in message
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"Gilligan" wrote in
message ...

And why would they launch more fighters when they always
have a CAP
overhead?

The CAP flies a 200 mile radius, it's not overhead.

It flies underhead?

At 200 miles they are over the horizon and below you.

It is silly to try and use million dollar missiles to
knock a large toy RC
plane out of the sky. The Bismarck was sunk by biplanes
because the gun
directors on the Bismarck were not calibrated for such
slow flying planes.
Will history repeat itself?

Iran has biplanes?

No, just toy airplanes with the capability to fly undetected over American
aircraft carriers for 20 minutes and then evade aircraft without getting
shot down.

S

"JR" wrote in message
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I may be mistaken, but isn't that an A-4 on cat 3?

Yes, John McCain is flying it. That carrier is really the Forrestal.

"Scotty" wrote in message
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"Gilligan" wrote in
message . ..

At one time Iran had the 2nd largest F-14 force in the
world.

At one time Britannia ruled the seas, my friend. What's
your point?

Doug questions the knowledge and experience of Iranians with regards to
carrier operations and aircraft. I'm just pointing out that Iran was the
only nation outside of the US to fly F-14's the most sophisticated aircraft
of its time and capable of launching phoenix missiles.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/aim-54.htm

Here the Iranians repair the Phoenix missiles that the US gave to them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-54_Phoenix

Note that they have shot down multiple planes with one missile.

It would appear the Iranians are quite capable and possess some formidible
weaponry. Both the capabilities and weapons were supplied by the US. You
can't beat American weapon systems and training.

One again, America screws itself. I don't understand why the Liberals
haven't caught one and are whining about America arming up the Iranians.

This is only the tip of a very large iceberg. Don't get me going on what
nuclear capabilities the US supplied to Iran. Notice Bush is worried about
Iran and not North Korea. Iran has had some help from the world's foremost
nuclear armed nation in getting their own capabilities up and running.

It's going to get ugly.

And why would they launch more fighters when they always
have a CAP
overhead?

"Gilligan"
The CAP flies a 200 mile radius, it's not overhead.

"Scotty" wrote
It flies underhead?

Underhanded

Gilligan wrote:
At 200 miles they are over the horizon and below you.

And only minutes away.

As well the question, how is a slow drone going to penetrate
the CAP radius? Does it drop in from outer space, directly
above the carrier? Or does it materialze from another
space-time continuum?

Iran has biplanes?

No, just toy airplanes with the capability to fly undetected over American
aircraft carriers for 20 minutes and then evade aircraft without getting
shot down.

I'm telling you, they have time travel.

DSK

OzOne wrote:
A trap that many westerners fall into.
Because the Arabic states are sand....it doesn't mean that the people
are any less capable than anyone else.

Those "ragheads" dress the way they do because they're smart....

I don't think they're stupid at all. In fact I think they
are very intelligent and subtle, and in the Big Game of
realpolitik they have outplayed the West for years.

OTOH I don't think they have anybody with the knowledge &
experience to make any meaningful analysis of watching
carrier flight deck ops. As Gilligan says, they flew
F-14s.... decades ago, and not off carriers... I bet there's
nobody from the Shah's military left. That's not saying
they're stupid, that's saying that they just don't have
carriers or people who are experienced naval aviation intel
specialists.

DSK

Yes, but, we have ''the big one''.

S

"Gilligan" wrote in
message . ..

"Scotty" wrote in message
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"Gilligan" wrote in
message
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At one time Iran had the 2nd largest F-14 force in the
world.

At one time Britannia ruled the seas, my friend. What's
your point?

Doug questions the knowledge and experience of Iranians
with regards to
carrier operations and aircraft. I'm just pointing out
that Iran was the
only nation outside of the US to fly F-14's the most
sophisticated aircraft
of its time and capable of launching phoenix missiles.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/aim-54.htm

Here the Iranians repair the Phoenix missiles that the US
gave to them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-54_Phoenix

Note that they have shot down multiple planes with one
missile.

It would appear the Iranians are quite capable and possess
some formidible
weaponry. Both the capabilities and weapons were supplied
by the US. You
can't beat American weapon systems and training.

One again, America screws itself. I don't understand why
the Liberals
haven't caught one and are whining about America arming up
the Iranians.

This is only the tip of a very large iceberg. Don't get me
going on what
nuclear capabilities the US supplied to Iran. Notice Bush
is worried about
Iran and not North Korea. Iran has had some help from the
world's foremost
nuclear armed nation in getting their own capabilities up
and running.

It's going to get ugly.