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Gilligan November 12th 06 10:14 PM

Joe!!!
 
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/1....9ddls4rg.html




Joe November 13th 06 02:54 PM

Joe!!!
 

Gilligan wrote:
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/1....9ddls4rg.html


Total BS, no FN way. Some Iranian just googled up some images of a
carrier and lied about it for propaganda reasons. Infact if you look at
the aircraft they look like delta wing fighters, most likely Korean era
picture.

Joe


Joe November 13th 06 03:47 PM

Joe!!!
 

OzOne wrote:
On 13 Nov 2006 06:54:40 -0800, "Joe"
scribbled thusly:


Gilligan wrote:
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/1....9ddls4rg.html


Total BS, no FN way. Some Iranian just googled up some images of a
carrier and lied about it for propaganda reasons. Infact if you look at
the aircraft they look like delta wing fighters, most likely Korean era
picture.

Joe


No way what?


No way would an Iranian drone be able to get that close to a US
carrier. It would have been blown out of the sky.

Joe


" The war games coincided with US-led naval manoeuvres in the Gulf off
Iran aimed at halting arms-trafficking, the first time such an
exercise has been held in the area."




Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,
We've been expecting you.



Gilligan November 13th 06 06:14 PM

Joe!!!
 

"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...

Total BS, no FN way. Some Iranian just googled up some images of a
carrier and lied about it for propaganda reasons. Infact if you look at
the aircraft they look like delta wing fighters, most likely Korean era
picture.

Joe



I thought they were biplanes and that was a 1920's era photo.

Good God Joe use your brain! That's why it is in your head!!

When did the first angled deck carriers come out?

See the C-2 in the catapult?

How big do you think the Iraqi drone was?



Gilligan November 13th 06 06:16 PM

Joe!!!
 
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4584



DSK November 13th 06 06:20 PM

Joe!!!
 
Gilligan wrote:

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4584




That certainly carries the ring of truth: "scrambling" a
helicopter for an air intercept.

DSK


Joe November 13th 06 06:30 PM

Joe!!!
 

Gilligan wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...

Total BS, no FN way. Some Iranian just googled up some images of a
carrier and lied about it for propaganda reasons. Infact if you look at
the aircraft they look like delta wing fighters, most likely Korean era
picture.

Joe



I thought they were biplanes and that was a 1920's era photo.

Good God Joe use your brain! That's why it is in your head!!


It's a Nimitz class carrier...OZ don't know no difference.
Why do you mess up my chumming?

When did the first angled deck carriers come out?

See the C-2 in the catapult?


Thats not a C-2 it's a B-2.

How big do you think the Iraqi drone was?


12ft wing span
http://img78.exs.cx/img78/7278/drone.jpg

Joe


Joe November 13th 06 06:35 PM

Joe!!!
 

Gilligan wrote:
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4584


Some iranian propaganda BSer says it's so, and you take it as fact?

LIES all lies.

Remember Bagdads propaganda minister?

Joe


Joe November 13th 06 06:39 PM

Joe!!!
 

DSK wrote:
Gilligan wrote:

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4584




That certainly carries the ring of truth: "scrambling" a
helicopter for an air intercept.

DSK


It don't ring ****..The Ronald Regan was in San Deigo, she just left
port the 9th for fleet operations.

Joe


DSK November 13th 06 06:45 PM

Joe!!!
 
See the C-2 in the catapult?


Joe wrote:
Thats not a C-2 it's a B-2.



One of these?
http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/fac...et.asp?id=2392

My God the Iraqis have not only developed the atom bomb,
they have time travel!

DSK


DSK November 13th 06 06:46 PM

Joe!!!
 
That certainly carries the ring of truth: "scrambling" a
helicopter for an air intercept.



Joe wrote:
It don't ring ****..The Ronald Regan was in San Deigo, she just left
port the 9th for fleet operations.


Umm, Joe... your sarcasm detector needs a new battery.

DSK


Joe November 13th 06 07:26 PM

Joe!!!
 

DSK wrote:
See the C-2 in the catapult?



Joe wrote:
Thats not a C-2 it's a B-2.



One of these?
http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/fac...et.asp?id=2392


no..one of these: http://www.fluidmech.net/gallery/conden/b2bgs.jpg

Joe

My God the Iraqis have not only developed the atom bomb,
they have time travel!

DSK



Gilligan November 13th 06 09:19 PM

Joe!!!
 

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Gilligan wrote:

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4584



That certainly carries the ring of truth: "scrambling" a helicopter for
an air intercept.

DSK

There's always a helo ready to go when launch/recovery ops under way.



DSK November 13th 06 09:25 PM

Joe!!!
 
That certainly carries the ring of truth: "scrambling" a helicopter for
an air intercept.


Gilligan wrote:
There's always a helo ready to go when launch/recovery ops under way.


Sure is. Tell me though, what's the platform and what's the
loadout for air-to-air mission, ANY current U.S. military
rotating-wing unit (much less carrier cert)?

And why would they launch more fighters when they always
have a CAP overhead?

It's not just bull****, it's silly.

DSK


katy November 13th 06 10:18 PM

Joe!!!
 
DSK wrote:
That certainly carries the ring of truth: "scrambling" a helicopter
for an air intercept.


Gilligan wrote:

There's always a helo ready to go when launch/recovery ops under way.



Sure is. Tell me though, what's the platform and what's the loadout for
air-to-air mission, ANY current U.S. military rotating-wing unit (much
less carrier cert)?

And why would they launch more fighters when they always have a CAP
overhead?

It's not just bull****, it's silly.

DSK

Guy across the way from us works at Grummon..he says it doesn't matter
what kind of pics they take overhead..nothing secret's on deck...

Joe November 13th 06 10:26 PM

Joe!!!
 

katy wrote:
DSK wrote:
That certainly carries the ring of truth: "scrambling" a helicopter
for an air intercept.


Gilligan wrote:

There's always a helo ready to go when launch/recovery ops under way.



Sure is. Tell me though, what's the platform and what's the loadout for
air-to-air mission, ANY current U.S. military rotating-wing unit (much
less carrier cert)?

And why would they launch more fighters when they always have a CAP
overhead?

It's not just bull****, it's silly.

DSK

Guy across the way from us works at Grummon..he says it doesn't matter
what kind of pics they take overhead..nothing secret's on deck...


thats not the point Katy, no(non space) flying object should be
anywhere near
that close to a carrier without permission. If it were a drone the Navy
would have taken it out.

The Iranians are just fluffing themself up to make thier capabilities
look like more than they are. After all if you can get a drone that
close surely you can get a missle that close.

It's total BS.

Joe


DSK November 13th 06 11:40 PM

Joe!!!
 
katysails wrote:
Guy across the way from us works at Grummon..he says it doesn't matter
what kind of pics they take overhead..nothing secret's on deck...


Well, that's basically true. Although some of the details of
specific gear is top secret, and you're not going to see
that by looking at the ship.

The only value in watching carrier deck ops is if there are
specialists who can tell what planes are being readied with
what sort of loadout, then you can predict what their
mission will be. I strongly doubt there are any Iranians
with that kind of knowledge & experience, even if they did
have drone watching (which I also strongly doubt).

DSK




Gilligan November 14th 06 01:16 AM

Joe!!!
 

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
That certainly carries the ring of truth: "scrambling" a helicopter for
an air intercept.


Gilligan wrote:
There's always a helo ready to go when launch/recovery ops under way.


Sure is. Tell me though, what's the platform and what's the loadout for
air-to-air mission, ANY current U.S. military rotating-wing unit (much
less carrier cert)?


AIM-9 air to air missile on:

AH-64.

http://www.novia.net/~tomcat/AIM-9.html

AH-1Z:

http://www.bellhelicopter.textron.co.../bellAH-1Z.cfm

AH-1W Flying off of the USS Bataan with AIM-9 missiles:

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/supcobra/


The real question: is the heat signature of the drone enough for any missile
in the Navy inventory? Probably not. No fighter jet will lock onto that slow
moving, small drone. So send a helicopter up with a 30 caliber machine gun
and knock it out of the sky.





And why would they launch more fighters when they always have a CAP
overhead?


The CAP flies a 200 mile radius, it's not overhead.



It's not just bull****, it's silly.


It is silly to try and use million dollar missiles to knock a large toy RC
plane out of the sky. The Bismarck was sunk by biplanes because the gun
directors on the Bismarck were not calibrated for such slow flying planes.
Will history repeat itself?



DSK




Gilligan November 14th 06 01:19 AM

Joe!!!
 

"DSK" wrote in message
...
katysails wrote:
Guy across the way from us works at Grummon..he says it doesn't matter
what kind of pics they take overhead..nothing secret's on deck...


Well, that's basically true. Although some of the details of specific gear
is top secret, and you're not going to see that by looking at the ship.

The only value in watching carrier deck ops is if there are specialists
who can tell what planes are being readied with what sort of loadout, then
you can predict what their mission will be. I strongly doubt there are any
Iranians with that kind of knowledge & experience, even if they did have
drone watching (which I also strongly doubt).

DSK




At one time Iran had the 2nd largest F-14 force in the world.

http://www.iiaf.net/aircraft/jetfighters/F14/f14.html




JR November 14th 06 02:19 AM

Joe!!!
 
I may be mistaken, but isn't that an A-4 on cat 3?

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Gilligan wrote:
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4584


Some iranian propaganda BSer says it's so, and you take it as fact?

LIES all lies.

Remember Bagdads propaganda minister?

Joe




Scotty November 14th 06 02:46 AM

Joe!!!
 

"Gilligan" wrote in
message ...


And why would they launch more fighters when they always

have a CAP
overhead?


The CAP flies a 200 mile radius, it's not overhead.



It flies underhead?



It is silly to try and use million dollar missiles to

knock a large toy RC
plane out of the sky. The Bismarck was sunk by biplanes

because the gun
directors on the Bismarck were not calibrated for such

slow flying planes.
Will history repeat itself?



Iran has biplanes?

S



Scotty November 14th 06 02:50 AM

Joe!!!
 

"Gilligan" wrote in
message . ..



At one time Iran had the 2nd largest F-14 force in the

world.


At one time Britannia ruled the seas, my friend. What's
your point?

Scotty



Joe November 14th 06 02:54 AM

Joe!!!
 

Gilligan wrote:
"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
That certainly carries the ring of truth: "scrambling" a helicopter for
an air intercept.


Gilligan wrote:
There's always a helo ready to go when launch/recovery ops under way.


Sure is. Tell me though, what's the platform and what's the loadout for
air-to-air mission, ANY current U.S. military rotating-wing unit (much
less carrier cert)?


AIM-9 air to air missile on:

AH-64.

http://www.novia.net/~tomcat/AIM-9.html

AH-1Z:

http://www.bellhelicopter.textron.co.../bellAH-1Z.cfm

AH-1W Flying off of the USS Bataan with AIM-9 missiles:

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/supcobra/


The real question: is the heat signature of the drone enough for any missile
in the Navy inventory? Probably not. No fighter jet will lock onto that slow
moving, small drone. So send a helicopter up with a 30 caliber machine gun
and knock it out of the sky.





And why would they launch more fighters when they always have a CAP
overhead?


The CAP flies a 200 mile radius, it's not overhead.



It's not just bull****, it's silly.


It is silly to try and use million dollar missiles to knock a large toy RC
plane out of the sky. The Bismarck was sunk by biplanes because the gun
directors on the Bismarck were not calibrated for such slow flying planes.
Will history repeat itself?


How's about the Phalanx
..
A "last line of defense" for ships, the Phalanx is a rapid-fire,
computer-controlled radar and 20-millimeter gun system that can
automatically track and destroy close-range enemy threats such as
low-flying cruise missiles, small boats and helicopters. Since 1979,
more than 850 Phalanx systems have been built and deployed in the
navies of 22 allied nations, Raytheon says.

Firing 3,000 to 4,500 armor-piercing rounds per minute, the Phalanx was
battle-tested by the British during the Falklands War. The advanced
Phalanx 1B version includes advanced Forward Looking Infrared (FLIR)
and beefier gun barrels.

Joe


DSK



Gilligan November 14th 06 03:17 AM

Joe!!!
 

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

How's about the Phalanx
.
A "last line of defense" for ships, the Phalanx is a rapid-fire,
computer-controlled radar and 20-millimeter gun system that can
automatically track and destroy close-range enemy threats such as
low-flying cruise missiles, small boats and helicopters. Since 1979,
more than 850 Phalanx systems have been built and deployed in the
navies of 22 allied nations, Raytheon says.

Firing 3,000 to 4,500 armor-piercing rounds per minute, the Phalanx was
battle-tested by the British during the Falklands War. The advanced
Phalanx 1B version includes advanced Forward Looking Infrared (FLIR)
and beefier gun barrels.


http://eightiesclub.tripod.com/id344.htm

http://www.navybook.com/nohigherhonor/


First you have to turn the Phalanx on. It has a warm up time.



Gilligan November 14th 06 03:20 AM

Joe!!!
 

"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..

"Gilligan" wrote in
message ...


And why would they launch more fighters when they always

have a CAP
overhead?


The CAP flies a 200 mile radius, it's not overhead.



It flies underhead?


At 200 miles they are over the horizon and below you.




It is silly to try and use million dollar missiles to

knock a large toy RC
plane out of the sky. The Bismarck was sunk by biplanes

because the gun
directors on the Bismarck were not calibrated for such

slow flying planes.
Will history repeat itself?



Iran has biplanes?


No, just toy airplanes with the capability to fly undetected over American
aircraft carriers for 20 minutes and then evade aircraft without getting
shot down.



S





Gilligan November 14th 06 03:22 AM

Joe!!!
 

"JR" wrote in message
...
I may be mistaken, but isn't that an A-4 on cat 3?


Yes, John McCain is flying it. That carrier is really the Forrestal.



Gilligan November 14th 06 03:51 AM

Joe!!!
 

"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..

"Gilligan" wrote in
message . ..



At one time Iran had the 2nd largest F-14 force in the

world.


At one time Britannia ruled the seas, my friend. What's
your point?

Doug questions the knowledge and experience of Iranians with regards to
carrier operations and aircraft. I'm just pointing out that Iran was the
only nation outside of the US to fly F-14's the most sophisticated aircraft
of its time and capable of launching phoenix missiles.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/aim-54.htm

Here the Iranians repair the Phoenix missiles that the US gave to them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-54_Phoenix

Note that they have shot down multiple planes with one missile.


It would appear the Iranians are quite capable and possess some formidible
weaponry. Both the capabilities and weapons were supplied by the US. You
can't beat American weapon systems and training.


One again, America screws itself. I don't understand why the Liberals
haven't caught one and are whining about America arming up the Iranians.

This is only the tip of a very large iceberg. Don't get me going on what
nuclear capabilities the US supplied to Iran. Notice Bush is worried about
Iran and not North Korea. Iran has had some help from the world's foremost
nuclear armed nation in getting their own capabilities up and running.

It's going to get ugly.



DSK November 14th 06 11:53 AM

Joe!!!
 
And why would they launch more fighters when they always
have a CAP
overhead?


"Gilligan"
The CAP flies a 200 mile radius, it's not overhead.



"Scotty" wrote
It flies underhead?



Underhanded


Gilligan wrote:
At 200 miles they are over the horizon and below you.


And only minutes away.

As well the question, how is a slow drone going to penetrate
the CAP radius? Does it drop in from outer space, directly
above the carrier? Or does it materialze from another
space-time continuum?


Iran has biplanes?



No, just toy airplanes with the capability to fly undetected over American
aircraft carriers for 20 minutes and then evade aircraft without getting
shot down.


I'm telling you, they have time travel.

DSK


DSK November 14th 06 11:56 AM

Joe!!!
 
OzOne wrote:
A trap that many westerners fall into.
Because the Arabic states are sand....it doesn't mean that the people
are any less capable than anyone else.

Those "ragheads" dress the way they do because they're smart....


I don't think they're stupid at all. In fact I think they
are very intelligent and subtle, and in the Big Game of
realpolitik they have outplayed the West for years.

OTOH I don't think they have anybody with the knowledge &
experience to make any meaningful analysis of watching
carrier flight deck ops. As Gilligan says, they flew
F-14s.... decades ago, and not off carriers... I bet there's
nobody from the Shah's military left. That's not saying
they're stupid, that's saying that they just don't have
carriers or people who are experienced naval aviation intel
specialists.

DSK


Scotty November 14th 06 12:45 PM

Joe!!!
 
Yes, but, we have ''the big one''.


S

"Gilligan" wrote in
message . ..

"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..

"Gilligan" wrote in
message

. ..



At one time Iran had the 2nd largest F-14 force in the

world.


At one time Britannia ruled the seas, my friend. What's
your point?

Doug questions the knowledge and experience of Iranians

with regards to
carrier operations and aircraft. I'm just pointing out

that Iran was the
only nation outside of the US to fly F-14's the most

sophisticated aircraft
of its time and capable of launching phoenix missiles.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/aim-54.htm

Here the Iranians repair the Phoenix missiles that the US

gave to them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-54_Phoenix

Note that they have shot down multiple planes with one

missile.


It would appear the Iranians are quite capable and possess

some formidible
weaponry. Both the capabilities and weapons were supplied

by the US. You
can't beat American weapon systems and training.


One again, America screws itself. I don't understand why

the Liberals
haven't caught one and are whining about America arming up

the Iranians.

This is only the tip of a very large iceberg. Don't get me

going on what
nuclear capabilities the US supplied to Iran. Notice Bush

is worried about
Iran and not North Korea. Iran has had some help from the

world's foremost
nuclear armed nation in getting their own capabilities up

and running.

It's going to get ugly.





Gilligan November 14th 06 03:10 PM

Joe!!!
 

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
OzOne wrote:
A trap that many westerners fall into.
Because the Arabic states are sand....it doesn't mean that the people
are any less capable than anyone else.

Those "ragheads" dress the way they do because they're smart....


I don't think they're stupid at all. In fact I think they are very
intelligent and subtle, and in the Big Game of realpolitik they have
outplayed the West for years.

OTOH I don't think they have anybody with the knowledge & experience to
make any meaningful analysis of watching carrier flight deck ops. As
Gilligan says, they flew F-14s.... decades ago, and not off carriers... I
bet there's nobody from the Shah's military left. That's not saying
they're stupid, that's saying that they just don't have carriers or people
who are experienced naval aviation intel specialists.

DSK


One year ago Iranian agents caught buying parts for F-14:

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/new...p?storyid=1861

More on Iranian F-14's:

http://www.amazon.com/Iranian-Tomcat.../dp/1841767875

Russia upgrades Iranian F-14's:

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/planes/q0077.shtml

Iranian F-14 crashes during training in 2004:

http://www.spacewar.com/2004/040621123352.qir2y8ys.html

Video of Iranian F-14 flying dated Sept 8, 2006:

http://www.murdoconline.net/archives/004125.html

Note it is modified to carry upgraded missiles.

Link to satellite photo of operational Iranian F-14 on ground:

http://www.irandefence.net/showthread.php?t=3187


Iranian pilots were trained by the US at Miramar NAS. They do not need to
know intimate details of American carrier operations. All they need to know
is how to sink one.






Gilligan November 14th 06 03:16 PM

Joe!!!
 

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
And why would they launch more fighters when they always
have a CAP
overhead?


"Gilligan"
The CAP flies a 200 mile radius, it's not overhead.


"Scotty" wrote
It flies underhead?



Underhanded


Gilligan wrote:
At 200 miles they are over the horizon and below you.


And only minutes away.


20 seconds to execute turn, 200 miles at 600 mph = 20 minutes, 30 seconds to
decelerate, we're looking at 21 minutes.

Even at 1200 mph we're looking at 12 minutes not counting time to acquire
target. The carrier plane guard is to keep planes out, it is not too
responsive to planes on top of the carrier.



As well the question, how is a slow drone going to penetrate the CAP
radius? Does it drop in from outer space, directly above the carrier? Or
does it materialze from another space-time continuum?


Iran has biplanes?



No, just toy airplanes with the capability to fly undetected over
American aircraft carriers for 20 minutes and then evade aircraft without
getting shot down.


I'm telling you, they have time travel.


I think it is the flying carpets.



DSK




Joe November 14th 06 04:13 PM

Joe!!!
 

Gilligan wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

How's about the Phalanx
.
A "last line of defense" for ships, the Phalanx is a rapid-fire,
computer-controlled radar and 20-millimeter gun system that can
automatically track and destroy close-range enemy threats such as
low-flying cruise missiles, small boats and helicopters. Since 1979,
more than 850 Phalanx systems have been built and deployed in the
navies of 22 allied nations, Raytheon says.

Firing 3,000 to 4,500 armor-piercing rounds per minute, the Phalanx was
battle-tested by the British during the Falklands War. The advanced
Phalanx 1B version includes advanced Forward Looking Infrared (FLIR)
and beefier gun barrels.


http://eightiesclub.tripod.com/id344.htm


Yeah, it was the iranians plot, and fault.

http://www.navybook.com/nohigherhonor/




First you have to turn the Phalanx on. It has a warm up time.


http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/...be-phalanx.jpg

Maybe in antarticia, but the radar is allready scanning in CIC. You
would think it would be ideal for drones, true they are an under used
weapon but I here the Army is mounting them on trailors and setting
them up to take out mortar rounds in Iraq. Only problem is the huge
coulds of AP rounds have to land somewhere.

Watch and listen(headphones cranked up), takes a few seconds for the
sound to reach these good ol boys. Sounds like dragons roaring.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESw9gqQnJ_0

Joe


Gilligan November 14th 06 04:52 PM

Joe!!!
 

"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...

Gilligan wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

How's about the Phalanx
.
A "last line of defense" for ships, the Phalanx is a rapid-fire,
computer-controlled radar and 20-millimeter gun system that can
automatically track and destroy close-range enemy threats such as
low-flying cruise missiles, small boats and helicopters. Since 1979,
more than 850 Phalanx systems have been built and deployed in the
navies of 22 allied nations, Raytheon says.

Firing 3,000 to 4,500 armor-piercing rounds per minute, the Phalanx was
battle-tested by the British during the Falklands War. The advanced
Phalanx 1B version includes advanced Forward Looking Infrared (FLIR)
and beefier gun barrels.


http://eightiesclub.tripod.com/id344.htm


Yeah, it was the iranians plot, and fault.

http://www.navybook.com/nohigherhonor/




First you have to turn the Phalanx on. It has a warm up time.


http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/...be-phalanx.jpg

Maybe in antarticia, but the radar is allready scanning in CIC. You
would think it would be ideal for drones, true they are an under used
weapon but I here the Army is mounting them on trailors and setting
them up to take out mortar rounds in Iraq. Only problem is the huge
coulds of AP rounds have to land somewhere.

Watch and listen(headphones cranked up), takes a few seconds for the
sound to reach these good ol boys. Sounds like dragons roaring.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESw9gqQnJ_0

Joe


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalanx_CIWS

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/weaps/mk-15.htm

The radar on the Phalanx operates independent of CIC. The Phalanx is
intended to be an automatic defense system as reaction time for incoming
missiles is very short. Recent upgrades to the system do allow for targeting
control from CIC. Running the system continuously increases the maintenance
costs and the mandatory down time of the system. Most ships only turn on the
system when necessary.

It is unfortunate that you spent your naval career aboard such a low
priority target that it wasn't even considered for a Phalanx system, let
alone any gun system that required a fixed mount.



Joe November 14th 06 06:00 PM

Joe!!!
 

OzOne wrote:
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 07:45:07 -0500, "Scotty"
scribbled thusly:

Yes, but, we have ''the big one''.

That's why everyone else wants one now.
After Shrubs performance..they don't trust you.


Well thats pretty stupid and dangerious.

It's this way..The N. Korea Gomer who digs Elvis sunglasses and punk
haircuts has a .22. He is aming it at 100 marines all with .50 cal
machine guns.

BTW Gomer is starving his people so he can buy a .22 cal saturday night
special to aim at us.

Unless he spends all his people wealth for the next 100 years he will
have no chance of survival if he pulls the trigger....he and all his
people will be dead.

And you do not trust Bush.

Next we have an ugly Sonny Bono look alike with a shortman complex. He
says the holocaust (Thats were the Nazis murdered all thoses people)
was made up and did not happen. He says he is going to wipe out Isreal
as they have not right to exist.

And you worry about Bush.

Brainwashed you are.

Better tell your women to wear scarves from head to toe...dont want
them causing crime now do we?

Joe





Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,
We've been expecting you.



Eisboch November 15th 06 08:32 PM

Joe!!!
 

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

DSK wrote:
Gilligan wrote:

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4584




That certainly carries the ring of truth: "scrambling" a
helicopter for an air intercept.

DSK


It don't ring ****..The Ronald Regan was in San Deigo, she just left
port the 9th for fleet operations.


Nope. January 4 - July 6, 2006: Maiden deployment to western Pacific and
Persian Gulf.

http://www.navysite.de/cvn/cvn76.html Source.

Eisboch



Joe November 15th 06 08:38 PM

Joe!!!
 

Eisboch wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

DSK wrote:
Gilligan wrote:

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4584




That certainly carries the ring of truth: "scrambling" a
helicopter for an air intercept.

DSK


It don't ring ****..The Ronald Regan was in San Deigo, she just left
port the 9th for fleet operations.


Nope. January 4 - July 6, 2006: Maiden deployment to western Pacific and
Persian Gulf.

http://www.navysite.de/cvn/cvn76.html Source.

Eisboch


Eisboch she returned to Port July 6th...just how did an Iranian drone
take pictures of her in November in the Persian Gulf?

Joe


Eisboch November 15th 06 08:55 PM

Joe!!!
 

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Eisboch wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

DSK wrote:
Gilligan wrote:

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4584




That certainly carries the ring of truth: "scrambling" a
helicopter for an air intercept.

DSK

It don't ring ****..The Ronald Regan was in San Deigo, she just left
port the 9th for fleet operations.


Nope. January 4 - July 6, 2006: Maiden deployment to western Pacific
and
Persian Gulf.

http://www.navysite.de/cvn/cvn76.html Source.

Eisboch


Eisboch she returned to Port July 6th...just how did an Iranian drone
take pictures of her in November in the Persian Gulf?

Joe


The date of the Iranian "report" is May 30, 2006.

Eisboch



Joe November 15th 06 09:45 PM

Joe!!!
 

Eisboch wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Eisboch wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

DSK wrote:
Gilligan wrote:

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4584




That certainly carries the ring of truth: "scrambling" a
helicopter for an air intercept.

DSK

It don't ring ****..The Ronald Regan was in San Deigo, she just left
port the 9th for fleet operations.


Nope. January 4 - July 6, 2006: Maiden deployment to western Pacific
and
Persian Gulf.

http://www.navysite.de/cvn/cvn76.html Source.

Eisboch


Eisboch she returned to Port July 6th...just how did an Iranian drone
take pictures of her in November in the Persian Gulf?

Joe


The date of the Iranian "report" is May 30, 2006.


You need to read the original article Gilligan posted. Only time
mentioned was "end of recent war games" .

Joe

Eisboch




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