Jim, you can rant all you want, but yours is the a very restrictive
application for a compromised vessel. It's not a great sailing vessel; it's
not a great power boat. In fact, it kinda sucks at both.

All your efforts at supporting your boat must take away from your sail time.

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"JimC" wrote in message
om...


Capt. JG wrote:
Sorry, but a 26' sailboat has no business owning a 70 hp engine. Sure,
you can get home or get to your destination in a hurry, but it has
nothing to do with sailing.

Nothing to do with sailing? Sure it does, Capt. - If you can't get out to
the sailing area with time for sailing, and return in time to get guests
home in time to get to the opera or theater (or wherever), you can't go
sailing as often.


rant removed

JG, in my previous note I forgot to mention the safety factors entailed
with having a fairly powerful motor on the Mac. - For example, when I
had the boat out Saturday, we had a rather substantial incoming tide and
headwind, the waves were breaking against us all the way out to the
sailing area, and there was a lot of traffic, with wakes. The Mac is
lightweight and has a fairly large sideboard area. - If I had had a 10 -
15 hp motor as is usual for boats of this size, I don't think I could
have kept it on track within the channel all the way out. Also, I would
not have been able to keep up with the other traffic going out, which
causes further problems. The reserve power is also a safety factor in
the event of inclement weather, tides, etc., out in the Bay or beyond.

As to "ranting all I want," I'm afraid you will have to get use to my
providing a little balance to these discussions from time to time. Get
over it Capt. - If you don't like my notes, you don't have to respond
to them or even read them. Better than going hyper as you seem to be
doing. Incidentally, Capt., as I recall, you have never sailed a 26M. -
Is that right? That figures.

As I have mentioned before, I had over 30 years sailing experience
before getting the Mac, having sailed on a number of medium sized and
smaller boats, including a Beneateux 39, O'Day 38/9, Valiant 40, and
various Endeavors, Cals, Catalinas, and others in the 30-34-ft range. My
point is not that I'm a great sailor, but rather, that I have enough
experience on a variety of boats to recognize the limitations of the Mac
26M. I also have enough experience on the Mac 26M to understand its
limitations, but also, to understand that sailing it is a lot of fun. -
Actually, I thought that was why most of us like to sail in the first
place.

Jim


Capt. JG wrote:

Jim, you can rant all you want, but yours is the a very restrictive
application for a compromised vessel. It's not a great sailing vessel; it's
not a great power boat. In fact, it kinda sucks at both.

All your efforts at supporting your boat must take away from your sail time.

Oh come on... safety with a 70hp vs. a 30 or a 20? My 13hp diesel powering
my 30' sailboat is more than adequate to work against the currents and winds
found in one of the most challenging sailing areas in the US. If you had a
decent sailboat, you wouldn't have to be concerned as much with needing a
huge engine for a small job.

You're not providing balance with your rants. You're demonstrating the
lengths you need to go to to justify a severely compromised boat.

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"JimC" wrote in message
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JG, in my previous note I forgot to mention the safety factors entailed
with having a fairly powerful motor on the Mac. - For example, when I had
the boat out Saturday, we had a rather substantial incoming tide and
headwind, the waves were breaking against us all the way out to the
sailing area, and there was a lot of traffic, with wakes. The Mac is
lightweight and has a fairly large sideboard area. - If I had had a 10 -
15 hp motor as is usual for boats of this size, I don't think I could have
kept it on track within the channel all the way out. Also, I would not
have been able to keep up with the other traffic going out, which causes
further problems. The reserve power is also a safety factor in the event
of inclement weather, tides, etc., out in the Bay or beyond.

As to "ranting all I want," I'm afraid you will have to get use to my
providing a little balance to these discussions from time to time. Get
over it Capt. - If you don't like my notes, you don't have to respond to
them or even read them. Better than going hyper as you seem to be doing.
Incidentally, Capt., as I recall, you have never sailed a 26M. - Is that
right? That figures.

As I have mentioned before, I had over 30 years sailing experience before
getting the Mac, having sailed on a number of medium sized and smaller
boats, including a Beneateux 39, O'Day 38/9, Valiant 40, and various
Endeavors, Cals, Catalinas, and others in the 30-34-ft range. My point is
not that I'm a great sailor, but rather, that I have enough experience on
a variety of boats to recognize the limitations of the Mac 26M. I also
have enough experience on the Mac 26M to understand its limitations, but
also, to understand that sailing it is a lot of fun. - Actually, I thought
that was why most of us like to sail in the first place.

Jim


Capt. JG wrote:

Jim, you can rant all you want, but yours is the a very restrictive
application for a compromised vessel. It's not a great sailing vessel;
it's not a great power boat. In fact, it kinda sucks at both.

All your efforts at supporting your boat must take away from your sail
time.

Capt. JG wrote:
Oh come on... safety with a 70hp vs. a 30 or a 20?

On my boat, it's safety with a 50hp as opposed to a 10 or 15 hp
outboard. Those with 70hp or above are using their larger motors to get
across open water quickly with heavy loads, e.g., to Catalina Island,
or for water sports, etc.


My 13hp diesel powering
my 30' sailboat is more than adequate to work against the currents and winds
found in one of the most challenging sailing areas in the US. If you had a
decent sailboat, you wouldn't have to be concerned as much with needing a
huge engine for a small job.


You've got a heavier, conventional boat with weighted keel, and you
don't need as much power to get through chop, etc. By contrast, I have a
lightweight (4,000 lb) boat with high freeboard that needs the power to
get through currents, tides, and/or unfavorable winds. I'm also able to
cruise to a desired sailing area or back to the marina at 14 knots if
desired.


You're not providing balance with your rants. You're demonstrating the
lengths you need to go to to justify a severely compromised boat.


Well, once again, if you don't like my notes, you don't have to read or
respond to them at all, Ganz. - There are lots of other discussions in
progress on the ng that might be of interest to you.

Jim

Exactly my point... due to bad compromises you're forced to use a huge
engine when on a sailboat that actually has the potential to sail well, a
smaller engine would do.

Why would anyone want to "get back at 14 knots" unless they have a powerboat
mentality?

It's Captain Ganz to you Jimbo.

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"JimC" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
Oh come on... safety with a 70hp vs. a 30 or a 20?

On my boat, it's safety with a 50hp as opposed to a 10 or 15 hp outboard.
Those with 70hp or above are using their larger motors to get across open
water quickly with heavy loads, e.g., to Catalina Island, or for water
sports, etc.


My 13hp diesel powering
my 30' sailboat is more than adequate to work against the currents and
winds found in one of the most challenging sailing areas in the US. If
you had a decent sailboat, you wouldn't have to be concerned as much with
needing a huge engine for a small job.


You've got a heavier, conventional boat with weighted keel, and you don't
need as much power to get through chop, etc. By contrast, I have a
lightweight (4,000 lb) boat with high freeboard that needs the power to
get through currents, tides, and/or unfavorable winds. I'm also able to
cruise to a desired sailing area or back to the marina at 14 knots if
desired.


You're not providing balance with your rants. You're demonstrating the
lengths you need to go to to justify a severely compromised boat.


Well, once again, if you don't like my notes, you don't have to read or
respond to them at all, Ganz. - There are lots of other discussions in
progress on the ng that might be of interest to you.

Jim

Capt. JG wrote:

Exactly my point... due to bad compromises you're forced to use a huge
engine when on a sailboat that actually has the potential to sail well, a
smaller engine would do.

Should I just hang down my head and die Ganz? I wouldn't call a 220 lb.
motor "huge." - Incidentally, how much does the motor in Your boat (or
do you have one?) weigh, Ganz? With generator, fuel pump, fuel filters,
shaft to prop, and other accessories?


Why would anyone want to "get back at 14 knots" unless they have a powerboat
mentality?

In certain circumstances, such as when you're 5 - 10 miles from the
marina, the wind is in your face, it's hot as hell, and you have guests
who want to get back home ASAP, its rather convenient and even pleasant
to be able to motor back at a moderately high rate of speed.


It's Captain Ganz to you Jimbo.

I'll call you captain when I feel like it, or when you grow up,
whichever comes first.

Jim

Well Cate, you can if you want to. It's not a matter of weight for my boat,
since it's sized for a real sailboat that doesn't need 70 hp to work. I have
an inboard diesel, 13hp Westerbeke on a Sabre 30. It's not particularly
large, but I'm sure it weighs a fair amount. The 26' (or close) sailboats
that I sail on use 5-10 hp outboards and work fine. Oh, and my Sabre was
well under $30K used and is 5 times your boat in quality. Of course, your
limitations dictate the boat you own.

In certain circumstances, I get on a ferry. Sounds like bad planning to me
if you're that far away and it's too hot and your guests are upset. Perhaps
you need to do a better job. I don't bring guests or paying customers for
that matter who have the expection that they'll be transported back quickly
because they're too hot or cold. We deal with the situation where we are.
Perhaps you need different guests.

You can't carry on an intelligent conversation can you. If you don't like
what you hear, then you get nasty, which indicates to me that you're not
very grown up yourself.

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"JimC" wrote in message
. ..


Capt. JG wrote:

Exactly my point... due to bad compromises you're forced to use a huge
engine when on a sailboat that actually has the potential to sail well, a
smaller engine would do.

Should I just hang down my head and die Ganz? I wouldn't call a 220 lb.
motor "huge." - Incidentally, how much does the motor in Your boat (or do
you have one?) weigh, Ganz? With generator, fuel pump, fuel filters, shaft
to prop, and other accessories?


Why would anyone want to "get back at 14 knots" unless they have a
powerboat mentality?

In certain circumstances, such as when you're 5 - 10 miles from the
marina, the wind is in your face, it's hot as hell, and you have guests
who want to get back home ASAP, its rather convenient and even pleasant to
be able to motor back at a moderately high rate of speed.


It's Captain Ganz to you Jimbo.

I'll call you captain when I feel like it, or when you grow up, whichever
comes first.

Jim

"JimC" wrote in message
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Should I just hang down my head a

in shame for owning a Mac26X? YES!


- Incidentally, how much does the motor in Your boat (or
do you have one?) weigh, Ganz? With generator, fuel pump,
fuel filters,
shaft to prop, and other accessories?


generator?


?

In certain circumstances, such as when you're 5 - 10 miles
from the
marina, the wind is in your face,


You tack. That's what most sailors ( this *is* a sailing NG,
BTW ) would do.