You keep looking at the definition of NUC and RAM. Why don't you tell
us what their responsibility is with respect to each other?

"Jeff" wrote
| You keep looking at the definition of NUC and RAM. Why don't you tell
| us what their responsibility is with respect to each other?


I thought I did that.
I said that Rule 18 says: ( -: nothing about it :- )
Did you see in any of my new diagrams it listed? No you didn't because it says nothing
about it in the rule. It never says NUC keep clear of RAM or vice versa. Another reason I say
they're equal. So, if you insist on having a complete list it should look like this:

NUC RAM
________
CBD
FISH
SAIL
POWER
SEAPLANE
WIG

But rule 18 never says that. It says what I said in my new stand on/give way list. It doesn't give a
complete list.

Cheers,
Ellen

Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"Jeff" wrote
| You keep looking at the definition of NUC and RAM. Why don't you tell
| us what their responsibility is with respect to each other?


I thought I did that.
I said that Rule 18 says: ( -: nothing about it :- )

Yes!

Did you see in any of my new diagrams it listed?

No - you gave too much information to be useful.

No you didn't because it says nothing
about it in the rule. It never says NUC keep clear of RAM or vice versa. Another reason I say
they're equal.

All you did before was give rule 18 in list form - you didn't actually
say how it differed from the pecking order. Also, saying that they
appear very similar in Rule 3 is not the same as saying they are
handled the same in Rule 18. Now you have, congratulations.

So, if you insist on having a complete list it should look like this:

NUC RAM
________
CBD
FISH
SAIL
POWER
SEAPLANE
WIG

Yes, that would be a better representation of the pecking order. You
may note the Neal actually said, "A NUC is the stand-on vessel above
all the rest" which is patently false. This is my first "flaw," now
you may be ready to find the next.


But rule 18 never says that. It says what I said in my new stand on/give way list. It doesn't give a
complete list.

Why do you call this a "stand on/give way" list?

"Jeff" wrote
| Yes, that would be a better representation of the pecking order. You
| may note the Neal actually said, "A NUC is the stand-on vessel above
| all the rest" which is patently false. This is my first "flaw," now
| you may be ready to find the next.

Where did he say that?
..
| Why do you call this a "stand on/give way" list?

Because that's what pecking order lists are for. They show which boat gives way and which one
stands on.

Cheers,
Ellen

Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"Jeff" wrote
| Yes, that would be a better representation of the pecking order. You
| may note the Neal actually said, "A NUC is the stand-on vessel above
| all the rest" which is patently false. This is my first "flaw," now
| you may be ready to find the next.

Where did he say that?

Gee, it said that until a few minutes ago. Neal must be reading this
thread. It must be horribly embarrassing for him that you have been
able to best him!


| Why do you call this a "stand on/give way" list?

Because that's what pecking order lists are for. They show which boat gives way and which one
stands on.

Hmmm. Is that what the rule says?

"Jeff" wrote
| Gee, it said that until a few minutes ago. Neal must be reading this
| thread. It must be horribly embarrassing for him that you have been
| able to best him!

Nobody can best Captain Neal. I bet he *is* lurking. I bet what you said made sense to him.
I bet he decided his lessons should be accurate. He's perfect so his lessons need to be perfect
too.


| Hmmm. Is that what the rule says?

Not exactly but they do say *keep out of the way of*. That's the same as *give way*.
But, the rule doesn't say anything about stand on. So maybe that's your point. It should
just be a give way list. Happy now, Mr. Pedantic? :-)

Cheers,
Ellen

Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"Jeff" wrote
| Gee, it said that until a few minutes ago. Neal must be reading this
| thread. It must be horribly embarrassing for him that you have been
| able to best him!

Nobody can best Captain Neal. I bet he *is* lurking. I bet what you said made sense to him.
I bet he decided his lessons should be accurate. He's perfect so his lessons need to be perfect
too.


| Hmmm. Is that what the rule says?

Not exactly but they do say *keep out of the way of*. That's the same as *give way*.
But, the rule doesn't say anything about stand on. So maybe that's your point. It should
just be a give way list. Happy now, Mr. Pedantic? :-)

Nope. You see the words but you're not reading them.

What are the definitions of "standon" and "giveway"? Are all
relationships in the pecking order specified in this way?