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Ellen MacArthur November 4th 06 01:39 AM

My new stand-on/give way list.
 
Jeff pointed out that the regular pecking order list that Captain Neal gives in his lessons isn't right.
So is every other pecking order list not right. Pedantic fer sure! But he has a good point. I think I agree
with him. So I made a new list like it should be. Here it is. It summarizes rule 18. The classification below
the line must avoid the ones above the line.


NUC RAM FISH SAIL
__________________

POWER



NUC RAM FISH
___________________

SAIL




NUC RAM
___________________

FISH



NUC RAM
_____________________

CBD



NUC RAM CBD FISH SAIL POWER
________________________________

SEAPLANE


NUC RAM CBD FISH SAIL POWER SEAPLANE
___________________________________________

WIG


Cheers,
Ellen

Joe November 4th 06 01:53 AM

My new stand-on/give way list.
 

Ellen MacArthur wrote:


What .......no new pictures?

Joe

Jeff pointed out that the regular pecking order list that Captain Neal gives in his lessons isn't right.
So is every other pecking order list not right. Pedantic fer sure! But he has a good point. I think I agree
with him. So I made a new list like it should be. Here it is. It summarizes rule 18. The classification below
the line must avoid the ones above the line.


NUC RAM FISH SAIL
__________________

POWER



NUC RAM FISH
___________________

SAIL




NUC RAM
___________________

FISH



NUC RAM
_____________________

CBD



NUC RAM CBD FISH SAIL POWER
________________________________

SEAPLANE


NUC RAM CBD FISH SAIL POWER SEAPLANE
___________________________________________

WIG


Cheers,
Ellen



Ellen MacArthur November 4th 06 02:11 AM

My new stand-on/give way list.
 

"Joe" wrote |
| What .......no new pictures?


Just for you and Scotty..... http://www.badongo.com/pic/337352

Cheers,
Ellen

otnmbrd November 4th 06 02:38 AM

My new stand-on/give way list.
 
You fail to note the potential difference between NUC and RAM.....probably
because you don't understand the potential difference since you are just
reading words..

otn


"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...
Jeff pointed out that the regular pecking order list that Captain
Neal gives in his lessons isn't right.
So is every other pecking order list not right. Pedantic fer sure! But
he has a good point. I think I agree
with him. So I made a new list like it should be. Here it is. It
summarizes rule 18. The classification below
the line must avoid the ones above the line.


NUC RAM FISH SAIL
__________________

POWER



NUC RAM FISH
___________________

SAIL




NUC RAM
___________________

FISH



NUC RAM
_____________________

CBD



NUC RAM CBD FISH SAIL POWER
________________________________

SEAPLANE


NUC RAM CBD FISH SAIL POWER SEAPLANE
___________________________________________

WIG


Cheers,
Ellen




Jeff November 4th 06 03:53 AM

My new stand-on/give way list.
 
So close, and yet ...

Maybe the reason my point here is so hard to see is because it's
represented by a clause that isn't there!


otnmbrd wrote:
You fail to note the potential difference between NUC and RAM.....probably
because you don't understand the potential difference since you are just
reading words..

otn


"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...
Jeff pointed out that the regular pecking order list that Captain
Neal gives in his lessons isn't right.
So is every other pecking order list not right. Pedantic fer sure! But
he has a good point. I think I agree
with him. So I made a new list like it should be. Here it is. It
summarizes rule 18. The classification below
the line must avoid the ones above the line.


NUC RAM FISH SAIL
__________________

POWER

....

Ellen MacArthur November 4th 06 04:01 PM

My new stand-on/give way list.
 

"otnmbrd" wrote in message k.net...
| You fail to note the potential difference between NUC and RAM.....probably
| because you don't understand the potential difference since you are just
| reading words..

I understand the difference. The rule tells me the difference. Rule 3 tells me NUC is
unable to maneuver to comply with the Rules and unable to keep out of the way of other vessels.
The Rule tells me RAM has restricted ability to maneuver to comply with the other Rules and is
also unable to keep out of the way of other vessels. Like I said before....

NUC = unable/unable
RAM + restricted/unable

So it makes it look like NUC is really more handicapped. But it's looks only. What matters is the
unable part when it comes to keeping out of the way of other vessels. Both NUC and RAM are
unable to keep out of the way of another vessel. So what if it's for different reasons!
Your trying to say RAM has to be kept out of the way of NUC . But that's impossible because
RAM is unable to keep out of the way. Rule 3 says so.... You can't have it both ways.
You talk about *potential difference*. Funny but Rule 3 doesn't say a thing about it. You just can't go
around saying *I've tons of experience. I can see a potential difference. I don't care what the Rule says.
I know better than the Rule. I can use my judgment and I can use Rule 2 to ignore all the other Rules.
Those dummies should have put something in there about potential differences. They didn't but I'll just
act like they did because I have loads of experience. And because Rule 2 says I can.*
They just put Rule 2 in there to cover their butts. In case they forget to put something in the other
Rules they have an out. Instead of saying they wrote crummy rules they can say people didn't use good
judgment in applying their crummy Rules. Why not just have one Rule to cover it all? Duh!
So here it is. My new 06Colregs... Let's get all the countries to sign on.
Rule (1) Use good judgment!
Rule (2) the end

Cheers,
Ellen


Ellen MacArthur November 4th 06 04:05 PM

My new stand-on/give way list.
 

"Jeff" wrote
| Maybe the reason my point here is so hard to see is because it's
| represented by a clause that isn't there!


Who's the one sounding like a blonde now? :-)
*Maybe the reason nobody adored my new diamond necklace is because
I'm wearing pearls....*


Cheers,
Ellen

Jeff November 4th 06 06:57 PM

My new stand-on/give way list.
 
You keep looking at the definition of NUC and RAM. Why don't you tell
us what their responsibility is with respect to each other?



Jeff November 4th 06 07:00 PM

My new stand-on/give way list.
 
Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"Jeff" wrote
| Maybe the reason my point here is so hard to see is because it's
| represented by a clause that isn't there!


Who's the one sounding like a blonde now? :-)
*Maybe the reason nobody adored my new diamond necklace is because
I'm wearing pearls....*

Do I have to spell this out for you? For Neal's pecking order to be
correct, there would have to be a clause that isn't there.

Ellen MacArthur November 4th 06 07:14 PM

My new stand-on/give way list.
 

"Jeff" wrote
| You keep looking at the definition of NUC and RAM. Why don't you tell
| us what their responsibility is with respect to each other?


I thought I did that.
I said that Rule 18 says: ( -: nothing about it :- )
Did you see in any of my new diagrams it listed? No you didn't because it says nothing
about it in the rule. It never says NUC keep clear of RAM or vice versa. Another reason I say
they're equal. So, if you insist on having a complete list it should look like this:

NUC RAM
________
CBD
FISH
SAIL
POWER
SEAPLANE
WIG

But rule 18 never says that. It says what I said in my new stand on/give way list. It doesn't give a
complete list.

Cheers,
Ellen


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