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http://www.goodoldboat.com/classifieds/TonyPeot.jpg

What are the names of the five sails on this aluminum yawl.

Name that sail
 

Bart wrote:

http://www.goodoldboat.com/classifieds/TonyPeot.jpg

What are the names of the five sails on this aluminum yawl.

Spinaker, staysail, mainsail, mizzen staysail, mizzen.

What do I win?

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OzOne wrote:
, Walt scribbled thusly:
Bart wrote:

http://www.goodoldboat.com/classifieds/TonyPeot.jpg

What are the names of the five sails on this aluminum yawl.

Spinaker, staysail, mainsail, mizzen staysail, mizzen.

Close...but not quite...If the mizzen had a forestay you couldn't tack
the boat.

You could make the same argument about the backstay on some sloops.
That doesn't mean it's not there, just that you have to dick around with
it to tack or gybe.

Anyway, "Mizzen staysail" was an educated guess. Maybe I need more
education.

//Walt

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On Oct 30, 2:47 pm, Walt wrote:

Anyway, "Mizzen staysail" was an educated guess. Maybe I need more
education.

//Walt

That's indeed what we call that sail here on the "right side up" part
of the world, Walt. The wire inside the luff acts as the "stay", and
the sail does have to come down to change tacks. There is also such a
thing as a mizzen spinnaker, but that isn't what is shown in the pic.
No offence intended, but what the "upside down people" call it is
probably some quaint thing like "boofsmoggler" or "deepilboink", maybe
Oz will enlighten us?
Happy Halloween,
Mike

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OzOne wrote in message ...
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:20:36 -0500, Walt
scribbled thusly:

Bart wrote:

http://www.goodoldboat.com/classifieds/TonyPeot.jpg

What are the names of the five sails on this aluminum yawl.

Spinaker, staysail, mainsail, mizzen staysail, mizzen.

What do I win?

Close...but not quite...If the mizzen had a forestay you couldn't tack
the boat.

Perhaps you have a different name for the mizzen staysail, but that's what
we call it. It does not have a fixed stay, per se, rather a wire luff that
is moved when the boat is tacked or gybed. It's still a mizzen staysail,
AFAIK.

Max

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"cruisin" wrote in message
ups.com...


On Oct 30, 2:47 pm, Walt wrote:

Anyway, "Mizzen staysail" was an educated guess. Maybe I need more
education.

//Walt

That's indeed what we call that sail here on the "right side up" part
of the world, Walt. The wire inside the luff acts as the "stay", and
the sail does have to come down to change tacks. There is also such a
thing as a mizzen spinnaker, but that isn't what is shown in the pic.
No offence intended, but what the "upside down people" call it is
probably some quaint thing like "boofsmoggler" or "deepilboink", maybe
Oz will enlighten us?
Happy Halloween,
Mike

Agreed on all points, Mike.

Max

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Good answer Walt. I'll give you the point.

However, there is a very specific name for the type of staysail
shown. Do you know what it is?

As Max and cruisin pointed out the mizzen staysail is set flying.
It could be called a flying mizeen staysail.

Oz gets no credit because he didn't answer the question, as
usual, and his only comment was a snipe. 1 lash for Oz.

"Walt" wrote

Bart wrote:

http://www.goodoldboat.com/classifieds/TonyPeot.jpg

What are the names of the five sails on this aluminum yawl.

Spinaker, staysail, mainsail, mizzen staysail, mizzen.

What do I win?

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Also; The Staysail off the Main Mast is should be classified as the Main
Staysail or the Fore Staysail.

The Staysail on the Mizzen Mast is often called a Mizzen Runner.

WHAT A PRETTY PICTURE!!!!


http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ILLDRINKTOTHAT

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"Thom Stewart" wrote
Also; The Staysail off the Main Mast is should be classified as the Main
Staysail or the Fore Staysail.

The Staysail on the Mizzen Mast is often called a Mizzen Runner.

WHAT A PRETTY PICTURE!!!!

I like the boat too. It is for sale BTW.

Now about the staysail. You notice it is long in the foot and
short in the luff. What is the name for that sort of staysail?

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On Oct 31, 11:53 pm, OzOne wrote:
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 23:09:45 -0500, "Bart" .@. scribbled thusly:

Oz gets no credit because he didn't answer the question, as
usual, and his only comment was a snipe. 1 lash for Oz.It wasn't anything like a snipe....It was a challenge to look again.

Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

OK, Oz, I looked again, and if I were to modify my answer I'd say it's
a high-cut mizzen staysail, one that allows the helmsman to see where
he's going, unlike most mizzen staysails. What name are you so
reticent to divulge that would describe it better? Bart? I would be
surprised to hear a different name used in common parliance. The
skipper would have to educate his crew and label the bag in large
lettering if so. Do you think this boat carries a differently cut
mizzen staysail as well?
Curious,
Mike

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On Oct 31, 11:53 pm, OzOne wrote:
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:56:37 -0800, (Thom Stewart)
scribbled thusly:

The Staysail on the Mizzen Mast is often called a Mizzen Runner.Well done Thom....There are sailors and old sailors...

Well, maybe so, but on my ketch, the mizzen runners are running
backstays, and the staysail forward would be called a spinnaker
staysail, to differentiate it from the forestaysail one might set if
the boat were rigged as a cutter-yawl, or a heavy weather staysail.
KISS is more than a thing you do with your lips, y'all agree?
Cheers,
Mike

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OzOne wrote:

It wasn't anything like a snipe....

Gotta agree with you there. A Snipe is a 15 foot sloop, not a yawl at all.

It was a challenge to look again.

I looked again, and the slot between the mizzen and the mizzen staysail
(or whatever you want to call it) looks awful. Am I missing something?

//Walt

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Bart wrote:

Now about the staysail. You notice it is long in the foot and
short in the luff. What is the name for that sort of staysail?

Low aspect? Very low aspect? Ultra low aspect?

You probably have in mind some salty word like "sputterer" or
"gollywacker" or something. Sorry, but I'm tapped. (c:

//Walt

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"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Also; The Staysail off the Main Mast is should be classified as the Main
Staysail or the Fore Staysail.

The Staysail on the Mizzen Mast is often called a Mizzen Runner.

I've never heard it referred to as a "runner," but I think that term fits
nicely. Maybe better than "staysail."

Max

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OzOne wrote in message ...
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:56:37 -0800, (Thom Stewart)
scribbled thusly:


The Staysail on the Mizzen Mast is often called a Mizzen Runner.

Well done Thom....There are sailors and old sailors...

WHAT A PRETTY PICTURE!!!!

It is a beauty eh!

When flying our genoa, main, mizzen staysail and mizzen on our former
Mariner ketch, we used to count the number of boats that sailed or motored
close by to take photos. One Sunday afternoon we counted 66.

Max

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"cruisin" wrote in message
oups.com...


On Oct 31, 11:53 pm, OzOne wrote:
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 23:09:45 -0500, "Bart" .@. scribbled thusly:

Oz gets no credit because he didn't answer the question, as
usual, and his only comment was a snipe. 1 lash for Oz.It wasn't
anything like a snipe....It was a challenge to look again.

Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

OK, Oz, I looked again, and if I were to modify my answer I'd say it's
a high-cut mizzen staysail, one that allows the helmsman to see where
he's going, unlike most mizzen staysails. What name are you so
reticent to divulge that would describe it better? Bart? I would be
surprised to hear a different name used in common parliance. The
skipper would have to educate his crew and label the bag in large
lettering if so. Do you think this boat carries a differently cut
mizzen staysail as well?
Curious,
Mike

Perhaps Oz thinks it's a mizzen staysail of yankee cut? A mizzerable
yankstaysail?

Max

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Max & (Mike)
A Staysail is usally named and flown from a STAY (Even if it is a
temporary set Stay) A Wire Luff isn't a Stay.

A Stay is part of the STANDING RIGGING. A Luff Line is part of the
RUNNING RIGGING, even if it is wire, it is part of the Sail and not the
RIGGING.


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Max,

The name comes from the tack you're on when you fly it. The Main Boom
has to be out of the way, as in a down wind Tack or RUNNING before the
wind.

It is one of the saving graces of a Yawl Mizen Masts (Besides being very
pretty)


http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ILLDRINKTOTHAT

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Thom Stewart wrote:

The name comes from the tack you're on when you fly it. The Main Boom
has to be out of the way, as in a down wind Tack or RUNNING before the
wind.

It is one of the saving graces of a Yawl Mizen Masts (Besides being very
pretty)


Hmmm. It looks to me like the yawl in the picture is reaching, not
running - tough to tell from a 2D picture, but the spinaker pole looks
to be barely to windward of the bow.

http://www.goodoldboat.com/classifieds/TonyPeot.jpg

//Walt

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Walt,

If you look at the picture, you will see that the Sail is set on the Lee
side of the Back Stay. With the Runner Set there is no way that the Main
Boom can be brought in.

I'm sorry if I miss lead you though. A RUNNING SAIL is a sail not set on
a stay, used mostly on conditions of working down wind, being broad
reaching or dead downwind. It is a Three point, free Flying sail not
unlike a Spinnaker. As you can see in the picture, it is set to sail on
that Tack. It will have to be lowered to even Jibe. It cannot be used UP
WIND because it will interfer with the Main Sail Boom.

It's a Running Sail, Set for the Tack that the boat is Sailing, which is
Before the Wind. Common called Running


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On Nov 1, 1:15 am, OzOne wrote:
On 1 Nov 2006 00:33:09 -0800, "cruisin"
scribbled thusly:



On Oct 31, 11:53 pm, OzOne wrote:
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:56:37 -0800, (Thom Stewart)
scribbled thusly:

The Staysail on the Mizzen Mast is often called a Mizzen Runner.Well done Thom....There are sailors and old sailors...

Well, maybe so, but on my ketch, the mizzen runners are running
backstays,You have runners on the mizzen?
Jesus..how tall is that stick?

Not that tall, but there isn't much aft angle on the uppers or lowers,
so it needs more aft support on a broad reach and especially if
carrying the mizzen staysail.


and the staysail forward would be called a spinnaker
staysail,Spinnaker staysail?
Never heard the term.....

Not too common these days, but used to be before the days of Bloopers
and Tallboys.

Where do you fly tis sail? off the forestay like a wire luffed assym?

Was set flying, tacked inside the headstay, halyard was about the
height of the (pole) topping lift. Yes, wire luff, cut full. I carry
one on my boat but rarely use it. I have pics of my Dad's boats flying
them, but unfortunately not digitized. Looks like the one on Bart's
pic is hanked onto the forestay tho, so I guess we'd just call that one
a forestaysail.
So please tell me what name you would apply to that skimpy mizzen
staysail?
Waiting on the edge of my chair,
Mike


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you..

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On Nov 1, 8:00 am, (Thom Stewart) wrote:
Max & (Mike)
A Staysail is usally named and flown from a STAY (Even if it is a
temporary set Stay) A Wire Luff isn't a Stay.

A Stay is part of the STANDING RIGGING. A Luff Line is part of the
RUNNING RIGGING, even if it is wire, it is part of the Sail and not the
RIGGING.

http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ILLDRINKTOTHAT

Roger that, Thom, but I'm too old a dog to learn new tricks! Guess
I'll just have to continue being one of the legions of misnomerizers.
Eschewing obfuscation,
Mike

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cruisin wrote:
On Nov 1, 1:15 am, OzOne wrote:
On 1 Nov 2006 00:33:09 -0800, "cruisin"
scribbled thusly:



On Oct 31, 11:53 pm, OzOne wrote:
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:56:37 -0800, (Thom Stewart)
scribbled thusly:

The Staysail on the Mizzen Mast is often called a Mizzen Runner.Well done Thom....There are sailors and old sailors...

Well, maybe so, but on my ketch, the mizzen runners are running
backstays,You have runners on the mizzen?
Jesus..how tall is that stick?

Not that tall, but there isn't much aft angle on the uppers or lowers,
so it needs more aft support on a broad reach and especially if
carrying the mizzen staysail.


and the staysail forward would be called a spinnaker
staysail,Spinnaker staysail?
Never heard the term.....

Not too common these days, but used to be before the days of Bloopers
and Tallboys.

Where do you fly tis sail? off the forestay like a wire luffed assym?

Was set flying, tacked inside the headstay, halyard was about the
height of the (pole) topping lift. Yes, wire luff, cut full. I carry
one on my boat but rarely use it. I have pics of my Dad's boats flying
them, but unfortunately not digitized. Looks like the one on Bart's
pic is hanked onto the forestay tho, so I guess we'd just call that one
a forestaysail.
So please tell me what name you would apply to that skimpy mizzen
staysail?
Waiting on the edge of my chair,
Mike

What is this one called?
http://www.theyachtmarket.com/userimages/24272.jpg

Joe


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you..

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"Walt" wrote in message
...
Thom Stewart wrote:

The name comes from the tack you're on when you fly it. The Main Boom
has to be out of the way, as in a down wind Tack or RUNNING before the
wind.

It is one of the saving graces of a Yawl Mizen Masts (Besides being very
pretty)


Hmmm. It looks to me like the yawl in the picture is reaching, not
running - tough to tell from a 2D picture, but the spinaker pole looks to
be barely to windward of the bow.

http://www.goodoldboat.com/classifieds/TonyPeot.jpg

//Walt

Agreed. Both the mainsheet and the mizzensheet appear to be relatively near
the centerline, but as you imply it's difficult to tell from a photo.

Max

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On Nov 1, 6:26 pm, "Joe" wrote:
What is this one
called?http://www.theyachtmarket.com/userimages/24272.jpg

Joe

That's easy, Joe, a backwards fisherman/gollywobbler!
I really have no clue, or clew, as Jax would say, but it looks pretty
cool. Can't be too easy to set or douse, tho...
Mike

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On Nov 1, 7:40 am, "Maxprop" wrote:
Oz thinks it's a mizzen staysail of yankee cut? A mizzerable
yankstaysail?
Mizzerable yankrunner, now that's a name that could stick, eh? What a
funny thread this has turned into. On my boat I just tell my crew to
set all the rags that'll fly, and let God take 'em down.

Max- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -

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"cruisin" wrote in message
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On Nov 1, 1:15 am, OzOne wrote:
On 1 Nov 2006 00:33:09 -0800, "cruisin"
Where do you fly tis sail? off the forestay like a wire luffed assym?

Was set flying, tacked inside the headstay, halyard was about the
height of the (pole) topping lift. Yes, wire luff, cut full. I carry
one on my boat but rarely use it.

I have one. It is labelled as a free flying staysail and is tacked down to
an eye which is on a track on the foredeck. But the halyard is just where
you said.
I 'think' it sheets to the inner one of the two tracks I have on the side
deck-the genoa goes to the outer one.
I must try it out next year.
Need to experiment to find the right position of the eye on its track as
well.
This was one of many sails that came with my boat but I have never used it
yet.

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cruisin wrote:
On Nov 1, 6:26 pm, "Joe" wrote:
What is this one
called?http://www.theyachtmarket.com/userimages/24272.jpg

Joe

That's easy, Joe, a backwards fisherman/gollywobbler!
I really have no clue, or clew, as Jax would say, but it looks pretty
cool. Can't be too easy to set or douse, tho...
Mike

Maybe Ol Thom will clue us in.

Joe

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"Maxprop" wrote

Perhaps Oz thinks it's a mizzen staysail of yankee cut? A mizzerable
yankstaysail?

Maybe in Oz, they'd call in a ******?

Another Ketch Sail
 

I see one of these sailing inthe harbor. I have no idea
what it is called.

On Nov 1, 6:26 pm, "Joe" wrote:
What is this one
called?

http://www.theyachtmarket.com/userimages/24272.jpg

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Bart wrote:

Now about the staysail. You notice it is long in the foot and
short in the luff. What is the name for that sort of staysail?

Ok. It's been a couple of days, and nobody's posted the answer. What
is it?

//Walt

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"Bart" .@. wrote in
|I see one of these sailing inthe harbor. I have no idea
| what it is called.
| http://www.theyachtmarket.com/userimages/24272.jpg


CSY 44 walkover model.

Cheers,
Ellen

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|I see one of these sailing inthe harbor. I have no idea
| what it is called.
| http://www.theyachtmarket.com/userimages/24272.jpg


If you mean the sail its called a mizzen staysail. Thank me very much....

Cheers,
Ellen

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Sorry Joe,

Can't open the attachment.

Youse guys ain't playing fair anyways. You're talking Ketch Rigs and the
boat in the picture is a Yawl ( Damn pretty Yawl)

There is a big difference. A Yawl will have a large Main Sail, and a
standing back stay for support. The Mizzen isn't any part of that
standing rigging for the Main Sail.

You Ketch guys split the rig to reduce the sail load, with two sails,
usually providing standing rigging support together as per Mast Tips.

By the way; A Yawl will just about sail the same with or without her
Mizzen. The Mizzen is to limit "Weather Helm" just like in the picture
with all that Head Sail pressure.

I thought every one knew this. I feel foolish posting it. The Mizzen on
a Yawl will produce neutral Helm.


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Ah Yes,

I see the Picture now and it does have a name BUT I can't remember it
right now. Old age.

It is a commonly used sail to increase sail aloft. Used both on Ketchs
and Schooner rigs

Sir Chichister used it on his boat ( That name slipped my mind also)
Don't take this name to the Bank but it's something like; "Upper
Staysail" Chichester didn't use a Fore Sail but elected to go with
Staysails. Upper & lower. It was easier on single handing..


http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ILLDRINKTOTHAT

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"Thom Stewart"
I thought every one knew this. I feel foolish posting it. The Mizzen on
a Yawl will produce neutral Helm.

mizzen is he arabic word meaning to balance.

Another Ketch Sail
 

Thom Stewart wrote:
Sorry Joe,

Can't open the attachment.

Youse guys ain't playing fair anyways. You're talking Ketch Rigs and the
boat in the picture is a Yawl ( Damn pretty Yawl)

There is a big difference. A Yawl will have a large Main Sail, and a
standing back stay for support. The Mizzen isn't any part of that
standing rigging for the Main Sail.

You Ketch guys split the rig to reduce the sail load, with two sails,
usually providing standing rigging support together as per Mast Tips.

By the way; A Yawl will just about sail the same with or without her
Mizzen. The Mizzen is to limit "Weather Helm" just like in the picture
with all that Head Sail pressure.

I thought every one knew this. I feel foolish posting it. The Mizzen on
a Yawl will produce neutral Helm.

Great info Thom, I might add that on the Yawl the mizzen mast is aft
the rudder, and a Ketch it is forward of the rudder.

Joe


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The ketch in the picture is sailing a genoa, main, mule, and mizzen.

"mule sail n. A staysail hung with the point down and carried between the
mainmast and the mizzen on ketches."

The Sailor's Illustrated Dictionary by Thompson Lenfestey published 1994 The
Lyons Press

Ansley Sawyer
SV Pacem
39' Camper Nicholson Ketch

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The ketch in the picture is sailing a genoa, main, mule, and mizzen.

"mule sail n. A staysail hung with the point down and carried between the
mainmast and the mizzen on ketches."

The Sailor's Illustrated Dictionary by Thompson Lenfestey published 1994 The
Lyons Press

Ansley Sawyer
SV Pacem
39' Camper Nicholson Ketch

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"Thom Stewart" wrote
| Ah Yes,
| Sir Chichister used it on his boat ( That name slipped my mind also)

Sir Francis Chichester is the spelling I think. Gypsy Moth is the boat name. He had four of them I think.
The last one he had was just wrecked on a reef in the South Pacific. There's a story about it in Cruising World.


Cheers,
Ellen