Another Ketch Sail
 

Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"Thom Stewart" wrote
| Ah Yes,
| Sir Chichister used it on his boat ( That name slipped my mind also)

Sir Francis Chichester is the spelling I think. Gypsy Moth is the boat name. He had four of them I think.
The last one he had was just wrecked on a reef in the South Pacific. There's a story about it in Cruising World.


There were 5 Gipsy Moths.

The original was an airplane, sometimes setup as a seaplane, that he
used to set various flying records in Australia around 1930. The name
was the model or the plane, built by De Haviland.

Gipsy Moth II was used to single hand race in the '50's.

Gipsy Moth III was built in 1959 and Chichester use it to win the
first Trans-Atlantic race in 1960 after loosing a lung to lung cancer.

He sailed Gipsy Moth IV around the world in 1966-67.

He sailed Gipsy Moth V from Africa to Central America, trying for 4000
miles in 20 days.

Another Ketch Sail
 

"Jeff" wrote
| There were 5 Gipsy Moths.


Nyut Uhhh! There were NO Gipsy Moths. There were 4 *Gypsy* Moth sailboats. Airplanes don't count.

Cheers,
Ellen

Another Ketch Sail
 

That's the "MULE"

Thanks Ansley. I couldn't remember that Damn name. I can blame old age.
It is a good sail but a sail that need to come off early but is such a
good performer that it is left flying to long.


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Name that sail
 

"cruisin" wrote
them, but unfortunately not digitized. Looks like the one on Bart's
pic is hanked onto the forestay tho, so I guess we'd just call that one
a forestaysail.
So please tell me what name you would apply to that skimpy mizzen
staysail?
Waiting on the edge of my chair,
Mike

Mike, I can't for the life of me remember the name of this
type of staysail (short hoist, long foot). I tried to look it up
but couldn't find it anywhere. I'll keep looking.

Bart

Name that sail
 

On Nov 4, 2:53 pm, "Bart" .@. wrote:
"cruisin" wrote

them, but unfortunately not digitized. Looks like the one on Bart's
pic is hanked onto the forestay tho, so I guess we'd just call that one
a forestaysail.
So please tell me what name you would apply to that skimpy mizzen
staysail?
Waiting on the edge of my chair,
MikeMike, I can't for the life of me remember the name of this
type of staysail (short hoist, long foot). I tried to look it up
but couldn't find it anywhere. I'll keep looking.

Bart

Don't wear yourself out too much, Amigo, I suspect that sail was a
special order from a guy who liked to see where he was going and not
needing to post a crewmember on permanent lookout duty. Let's just
call it a highcut mizzen staysail. I never have seen one like it
before.
Thanks for stirring up some good action with your post!
Mike
aboard s/v Arabella again in
Puerto Vallarta
www.sailinglinks.com

Name that sail
 

'Leg-of mutton'....I think

"Bart" .@. wrote in message ...

"cruisin" wrote
them, but unfortunately not digitized. Looks like the one on Bart's
pic is hanked onto the forestay tho, so I guess we'd just call that one
a forestaysail.
So please tell me what name you would apply to that skimpy mizzen
staysail?
Waiting on the edge of my chair,
Mike

Mike, I can't for the life of me remember the name of this
type of staysail (short hoist, long foot). I tried to look it up
but couldn't find it anywhere. I'll keep looking.

Bart

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Ansley W. Sawyer wrote:
The ketch in the picture is sailing a genoa, main, mule, and mizzen.

"mule sail n. A staysail hung with the point down and carried between the
mainmast and the mizzen on ketches."

The Sailor's Illustrated Dictionary by Thompson Lenfestey published 1994 The
Lyons Press


Thanks for the reference.

The sail in the picture could be considered a main topsail,
it could also be called a Fenger staysail, after a yacht
designer of the early 1900s who produced boats with rigs
like this.
http://www.shipyardcup.com/boats-sintra.jpg
Of course, if you call it anything, most people won't know
what the heck you're talking about ;)

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Another Ketch Sail
 

DSK wrote:
Ansley W. Sawyer wrote:
The ketch in the picture is sailing a genoa, main, mule, and mizzen.

"mule sail n. A staysail hung with the point down and carried between the
mainmast and the mizzen on ketches."

The Sailor's Illustrated Dictionary by Thompson Lenfestey published 1994 The
Lyons Press


Thanks for the reference.

The sail in the picture could be considered a main topsail,
it could also be called a Fenger staysail, after a yacht
designer of the early 1900s who produced boats with rigs
like this.
http://www.shipyardcup.com/boats-sintra.jpg

What a waste of space, what the advantage there?

Joe



Of course, if you call it anything, most people won't know
what the heck you're talking about ;)

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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It looks pretty with full sail up. I think it would look
funny as the wind picked up and you had to take in
the upper sail.

It doesn't look very efficient. However it is probably
easy on the crew.


"DSK" wrote

http://www.shipyardcup.com/boats-sintra.jpg

Name that sail
 

I've seen pictures of my boat with the same sail take back
when the boat was first produced in the early 70's. I was
hoping someone else would know the answer and refresh
my memory. If I can track dwon Bruce King in Maine,
perhaps I can ask him the reason for the design of this
sail.

"cruisin" wrote
Don't wear yourself out too much, Amigo, I suspect that sail was a
special order from a guy who liked to see where he was going and not
needing to post a crewmember on permanent lookout duty. Let's just
call it a highcut mizzen staysail. I never have seen one like it
before.
Thanks for stirring up some good action with your post!
Mike
aboard s/v Arabella again in
Puerto Vallarta
www.sailinglinks.com

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Doug,

A Main Tops'l it will never be. A main Tops'l is flown from the main
mast, above the main sail.

It is a Staysail, it uses the stay between the tips of the masts. That
is kind of like "No Mans Land." That stay is the Main mast back stay and
at the same time the Mizzen Masts fore stay, on a Ketch's rig. That is
why it got a name all it's own. It is a "Mule"


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Joe wrote:

DSK wrote:
Ansley W. Sawyer wrote:
The ketch in the picture is sailing a genoa, main, mule, and mizzen.

"mule sail n. A staysail hung with the point down and carried between the
mainmast and the mizzen on ketches."

The Sailor's Illustrated Dictionary by Thompson Lenfestey published 1994 The
Lyons Press


Thanks for the reference.

The sail in the picture could be considered a main topsail,
it could also be called a Fenger staysail, after a yacht
designer of the early 1900s who produced boats with rigs
like this.
http://www.shipyardcup.com/boats-sintra.jpg

What a waste of space, what the advantage there?

Lets you tack without taking down the mule.

Cheers
Marty

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Thom Stewart wrote:

Doug,

A Main Tops'l it will never be. A main Tops'l is flown from the main
mast, above the main sail.


Umm, Thom, take another look at the picture. It *is* flown
from the main mast, above the main sail.


It is a Staysail, it uses the stay between the tips of the masts.

No it doesn't. It flies from the backstay of the main mast.
The stay you are referring to is called the Triatic and any
sail that was hanked to it would be pulling backwards,
because of the slope from main mast head to mizzen.

Now, on a schooner, things are different. Because the aft
mast is taller, a sail can be set from the triatic and still
pull.

DSK

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How are you going to be able to get up to the triatic stay to hank and
unhank a sail?

"DSK" wrote in message
...
Thom Stewart wrote:

Doug,

A Main Tops'l it will never be. A main Tops'l is flown from the main
mast, above the main sail.


Umm, Thom, take another look at the picture. It *is* flown
from the main mast, above the main sail.


It is a Staysail, it uses the stay between the tips of the masts.

No it doesn't. It flies from the backstay of the main mast.
The stay you are referring to is called the Triatic and any
sail that was hanked to it would be pulling backwards,
because of the slope from main mast head to mizzen.

Now, on a schooner, things are different. Because the aft
mast is taller, a sail can be set from the triatic and still
pull.

DSK

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Edgar wrote:

How are you going to be able to get up to the triatic stay to hank and
unhank a sail?


heh
with great difficulty. On a schooner, there are a festooning
plethora of buntlines to gather the fisherman stay sail,
it's enough of a PITA to rig & unrig that they generally
leave it up there most of the season (or leave it off entirely).

Always the eye for the practical side of things, Edgar?

DSK

Another Ketch Sail
 

DSK wrote:
Edgar wrote:

How are you going to be able to get up to the triatic stay to hank and
unhank a sail?


If you are still talking about the Mule, it not hanked to the triatic
IMO, He just has it sheeted hard in this picture because he's motor
sailing
http://www.theyachtmarket.com/userimages/24272.jpg

Joe


heh
with great difficulty. On a schooner, there are a festooning
plethora of buntlines to gather the fisherman stay sail,
it's enough of a PITA to rig & unrig that they generally
leave it up there most of the season (or leave it off entirely).

Always the eye for the practical side of things, Edgar?

DSK