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Ummm... necessary? No. Easy.. yes. Leave the jib, tack, ease the main,
slowly put the helm back, you're done. What do you do?

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"Walt" wrote in message
...
Capt. JG wrote:

That's what the USSailing instructors teach re hove-to. Start on port,
end up on starboard.


Really? They teach you to tack as part of heaving to? Why is this
necessary?

//Walt

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Nice picture, but sockpuppet is Neal.

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"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..
No, Ellen. http://www.badongo.com/pic/291317

SBV


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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You mean Neal?

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"Scotty" wrote in message
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The little blonde does have some good points!

Scotty


"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in
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reenews.ne
t...

"otnmbrd" wrote
| Excuse me, but the "little powerboat" *nature of her
work* was towing the
| other vessel.


That's a hoot. You say *I* have a narrow
interpretation. Instead your the one.
You only use half the rule. The whole rule says nature
of
her work that *severely *
limits her maneuverability. 1) pleasure boat towing
isn't
*work* . The examples in the
rule make that clear. 2) You can't take one part of the
rule and ignore the other. It's
doing that that's narrow... You keep ignoring the
severely
limited maneuverability part.

| As long as
| the powerboat that's towing can maneuver OK then
it's
not RAM.
|
| True, but even you have enough reading comprehension
to
realize I said
| that.

I said you were part right and part wrong. Again,
it's because your
using half the rule and half doesn't get the job
done....

| All it
| had to do to keep outta the way of Scotty was to
throttle down or take
| it out of gear or turn the steering wheel. Duh! It
had no rule on
| it's side to expect a sailboat to give way.
|
| I wasn't there;I don't know what the channel is like;
I
don't know the
| state of the tide; direction and/or strength of
current;
wind; handling
| characteristics of the vessels in question; abilities
of
the towing
| vessel and operator; etc.....

But you do know the rule (or claim you do). It's
plain and black and white.
Why do you insist on making something out of it that's
not
there? Why do you
only use half of it? Why do you ignore the *severely*
limits maneuverability part?
The little pleasure boat is not severely limited. It
has
all it's controls. It has all
the maneuverability it ever has. Tide, current, wind
make
no difference. The only
thing that's different is a rope over the transom. It
might take a little extra time
to turn or stop but that's not *severe.* So stop
ignoring
the severe part of the rule,
please.

| Another thing. You can see from (i) thru (vi)
that work means
| serious work. It doesn't mean playing around
| on a pleasure boat or helping out somebody whose
motor
broke.
|
| Show me where it says that.

Duh, the examples say that. All of them are
serious
work. None of them are
pleasure craft out playing. If the rule was for
pleasure
craft one would have been
put in the examples. If you go to a dinner party that's
"formal attire required" you don't
show up in sneaker and a t-shirt and expect to get in.
If
you read a rule that's all about
serious work you don't expect playing to be part of it.
Your trouble is your trying to hedge your bets. You
won't say the rule says X. Instead
you say the rules says X, Y, Z and sometimes A,B,C.
Duh!
Read the rule and understand
what it says. Stop adding your own stuff so you can
have
an *out* every time.
Maybe you should argue with my instructor Captain
Donna Kirby, She's been teaching
the rules for years and years. She knows them better
than
you and she says two little
recreational boats towing each other are not RAM. How
does
she know? Because it's
consensus. Your wrong.

| G It pleases me to know you are off the water, and
your above first
| sentence is one of the reasons why.....no, I don't
agree
that this is
| always the case.

Too much wiggle room makes a fact a fiction....

|| The fact that you've asked this series of stupid
questions just adds to
| my ongoing confirmation that you are a highly
inexperienced amateur with
| limited powers of intelligent reasoning/thought.

And, your a typical man who wouldn't admit he was
wrong to stick his ass out
of the fox hole even when the bullet make him a second
asshole.... Or, in your case
a third. :-)

Cheers,
Ellen

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don't spoil the fantasy...


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Scotty" wrote in message
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No, Ellen. http://www.badongo.com/pic/291317

SBV


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
You mean Neal?

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"Scotty" wrote in message
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The little blonde does have some good points!

Scotty


"Ellen MacArthur" wrote
in
message


reenews.ne
t...

"otnmbrd" wrote
| Excuse me, but the "little powerboat" *nature of
her
work* was towing the
| other vessel.


That's a hoot. You say *I* have a narrow
interpretation. Instead your the one.
You only use half the rule. The whole rule says
nature
of
her work that *severely *
limits her maneuverability. 1) pleasure boat towing
isn't
*work* . The examples in the
rule make that clear. 2) You can't take one part of
the
rule and ignore the other. It's
doing that that's narrow... You keep ignoring the
severely
limited maneuverability part.

| As long as
| the powerboat that's towing can maneuver OK then
it's
not RAM.
|
| True, but even you have enough reading
comprehension
to
realize I said
| that.

I said you were part right and part wrong.
Again,
it's because your
using half the rule and half doesn't get the job
done....

| All it
| had to do to keep outta the way of Scotty was to
throttle down or take
| it out of gear or turn the steering wheel. Duh!
It
had no rule on
| it's side to expect a sailboat to give way.
|
| I wasn't there;I don't know what the channel is
like;
I
don't know the
| state of the tide; direction and/or strength of
current;
wind; handling
| characteristics of the vessels in question;
abilities
of
the towing
| vessel and operator; etc.....

But you do know the rule (or claim you do).
It's
plain and black and white.
Why do you insist on making something out of it
that's
not
there? Why do you
only use half of it? Why do you ignore the
*severely*
limits maneuverability part?
The little pleasure boat is not severely limited. It
has
all it's controls. It has all
the maneuverability it ever has. Tide, current, wind
make
no difference. The only
thing that's different is a rope over the transom.
It
might take a little extra time
to turn or stop but that's not *severe.* So stop
ignoring
the severe part of the rule,
please.

| Another thing. You can see from (i) thru
(vi)
that work means
| serious work. It doesn't mean playing
around
| on a pleasure boat or helping out somebody whose
motor
broke.
|
| Show me where it says that.

Duh, the examples say that. All of them are
serious
work. None of them are
pleasure craft out playing. If the rule was for
pleasure
craft one would have been
put in the examples. If you go to a dinner party
that's
"formal attire required" you don't
show up in sneaker and a t-shirt and expect to get
in.
If
you read a rule that's all about
serious work you don't expect playing to be part of
it.
Your trouble is your trying to hedge your bets.
You
won't say the rule says X. Instead
you say the rules says X, Y, Z and sometimes A,B,C.
Duh!
Read the rule and understand
what it says. Stop adding your own stuff so you can
have
an *out* every time.
Maybe you should argue with my instructor
Captain
Donna Kirby, She's been teaching
the rules for years and years. She knows them better
than
you and she says two little
recreational boats towing each other are not RAM.
How
does
she know? Because it's
consensus. Your wrong.

| G It pleases me to know you are off the water,
and
your above first
| sentence is one of the reasons why.....no, I don't
agree
that this is
| always the case.

Too much wiggle room makes a fact a
fiction....

|| The fact that you've asked this series of stupid
questions just adds to
| my ongoing confirmation that you are a highly
inexperienced amateur with
| limited powers of intelligent reasoning/thought.

And, your a typical man who wouldn't admit he
was
wrong to stick his ass out
of the fox hole even when the bullet make him a
second
asshole.... Or, in your case
a third. :-)

Cheers,
Ellen

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Capt. JG wrote:

Ummm... necessary? No. Easy.. yes. Leave the jib, tack, ease the main,
slowly put the helm back, you're done. What do you do?


Pull the windward jib sheet until the jib is backwinded, cleat it off.
Push the helm over.

Ok, I can see a problem with this approach if you're flying a 150%
genoa. Or even if you're using a smaller one and it's blowing. A
difference between dinghy sailing vs. keelboat.

//Walt

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"Scotty" wrote
| The little blonde does have some good points!



36C for one.... or is it two? :-)

Cheers,
Ellen

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"Capt. JG" wrote
| Nice picture, but sockpuppet is Neal.



Put your money where your mouth is. In other words get that penis out of it...

Cheers,
Ellen

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Big, big difference. We're talking real wind out here, not Sears wind.

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"Walt" wrote in message
...
Capt. JG wrote:

Ummm... necessary? No. Easy.. yes. Leave the jib, tack, ease the main,
slowly put the helm back, you're done. What do you do?


Pull the windward jib sheet until the jib is backwinded, cleat it off.
Push the helm over.

Ok, I can see a problem with this approach if you're flying a 150% genoa.
Or even if you're using a smaller one and it's blowing. A difference
between dinghy sailing vs. keelboat.

//Walt

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Sorry man....

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"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..
don't spoil the fantasy...


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Nice picture, but sockpuppet is Neal.

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"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..
No, Ellen. http://www.badongo.com/pic/291317

SBV


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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You mean Neal?

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"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..
The little blonde does have some good points!

Scotty


"Ellen MacArthur" wrote
in
message


reenews.ne
t...

"otnmbrd" wrote
| Excuse me, but the "little powerboat" *nature of
her
work* was towing the
| other vessel.


That's a hoot. You say *I* have a narrow
interpretation. Instead your the one.
You only use half the rule. The whole rule says
nature
of
her work that *severely *
limits her maneuverability. 1) pleasure boat towing
isn't
*work* . The examples in the
rule make that clear. 2) You can't take one part of
the
rule and ignore the other. It's
doing that that's narrow... You keep ignoring the
severely
limited maneuverability part.

| As long as
| the powerboat that's towing can maneuver OK then
it's
not RAM.
|
| True, but even you have enough reading
comprehension
to
realize I said
| that.

I said you were part right and part wrong.
Again,
it's because your
using half the rule and half doesn't get the job
done....

| All it
| had to do to keep outta the way of Scotty was to
throttle down or take
| it out of gear or turn the steering wheel. Duh!
It
had no rule on
| it's side to expect a sailboat to give way.
|
| I wasn't there;I don't know what the channel is
like;
I
don't know the
| state of the tide; direction and/or strength of
current;
wind; handling
| characteristics of the vessels in question;
abilities
of
the towing
| vessel and operator; etc.....

But you do know the rule (or claim you do).
It's
plain and black and white.
Why do you insist on making something out of it
that's
not
there? Why do you
only use half of it? Why do you ignore the
*severely*
limits maneuverability part?
The little pleasure boat is not severely limited. It
has
all it's controls. It has all
the maneuverability it ever has. Tide, current, wind
make
no difference. The only
thing that's different is a rope over the transom.
It
might take a little extra time
to turn or stop but that's not *severe.* So stop
ignoring
the severe part of the rule,
please.

| Another thing. You can see from (i) thru
(vi)
that work means
| serious work. It doesn't mean playing
around
| on a pleasure boat or helping out somebody whose
motor
broke.
|
| Show me where it says that.

Duh, the examples say that. All of them are
serious
work. None of them are
pleasure craft out playing. If the rule was for
pleasure
craft one would have been
put in the examples. If you go to a dinner party
that's
"formal attire required" you don't
show up in sneaker and a t-shirt and expect to get
in.
If
you read a rule that's all about
serious work you don't expect playing to be part of
it.
Your trouble is your trying to hedge your bets.
You
won't say the rule says X. Instead
you say the rules says X, Y, Z and sometimes A,B,C.
Duh!
Read the rule and understand
what it says. Stop adding your own stuff so you can
have
an *out* every time.
Maybe you should argue with my instructor
Captain
Donna Kirby, She's been teaching
the rules for years and years. She knows them better
than
you and she says two little
recreational boats towing each other are not RAM.
How
does
she know? Because it's
consensus. Your wrong.

| G It pleases me to know you are off the water,
and
your above first
| sentence is one of the reasons why.....no, I don't
agree
that this is
| always the case.

Too much wiggle room makes a fact a
fiction....

|| The fact that you've asked this series of stupid
questions just adds to
| my ongoing confirmation that you are a highly
inexperienced amateur with
| limited powers of intelligent reasoning/thought.

And, your a typical man who wouldn't admit he
was
wrong to stick his ass out
of the fox hole even when the bullet make him a
second
asshole.... Or, in your case
a third. :-)

Cheers,
Ellen

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"Walt" wrote
Capt. JG wrote:

That's what the USSailing instructors teach re hove-to. Start on port,
end up on starboard.


Really? They teach you to tack as part of heaving to? Why is this
necessary?

//Walt

It is easier.

What is the easiest way to come out of being hove-to and get sailing a
again, assume you want to sail off up wind?

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"Walt" wrote

Capt. JG wrote:

Ummm... necessary? No. Easy.. yes. Leave the jib, tack, ease the main,
slowly put the helm back, you're done. What do you do?

Pull the windward jib sheet until the jib is backwinded, cleat it off.
Push the helm over.

Ok, I can see a problem with this approach if you're flying a 150% genoa.
Or even if you're using a smaller one and it's blowing. A difference
between dinghy sailing vs. keelboat.

//Walt

A slow tack with the jib backed will slow the boat down
so it doesn't want to tack back over.

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Ditto.

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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:56:55 -0400, "Bart" .@. said:

What is the easiest way to come out of being hove-to and get sailing a
again, assume you want to sail off up wind?

Dunno. I always just ease the windward jib sheet and take up on the
leeward
sheet. There's an easier way?

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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On 23 Oct 2006 17:14:02 -0500, Dave
wrote:

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:56:55 -0400, "Bart" .@. said:

What is the easiest way to come out of being hove-to and
get sailing a
again, assume you want to sail off up wind?

Dunno. I always just ease the windward jib sheet and take
up on the leeward
sheet. There's an easier way?

That sounds awfully complicated, Dave!


for you...yeah.

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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote:

"Scotty" wrote
| The little blonde does have some good points!



36C for one.... or is it two? :-)

Sorry, Ellen, but you mentioned in another thread you would like to meet
this Capt. Neal. He wouldn't like you because you have a barrel chest and
muscles. CN likes anorexia nervosa women like the one the Navigator hooked
up with...but if you lost about 50 pounds, totally quit working out (not
even sailing) you may capture his attention. Especially if you put on one
of those catholic school girl uniforms. HTH.

Bwawhawhaawhaaaaa!

LP

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"Lady Pilot" wrote in message
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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote:

"Scotty" wrote
| The little blonde does have some good points!



36C for one.... or is it two? :-)

Sorry, Ellen, but you mentioned in another thread you
would like to meet
this Capt. Neal. He wouldn't like you because you have a
barrel chest and
muscles. CN likes anorexia nervosa women like the one the
Navigator hooked
up with...but if you lost about 50 pounds, totally quit
working out (not
even sailing) you may capture his attention. Especially
if you put on one
of those catholic school girl uniforms. HTH.


Hell hath no fury like an ugly woman scorned by a washed up,
feeble old man.

SBV

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"Dave" wrote

"Bart" .@. said:
What is the easiest way to come out of being hove-to and get sailing a
again, assume you want to sail off up wind?

Dunno. I always just ease the windward jib sheet and take up on the
leeward
sheet. There's an easier way?

Sure, of course. Trim in the main, if it's been eased.
Some boats leave the main in while hove to. Then
just bear off hard and do a 270 degree turn. While the
main would tend to turn the boat into the wind, the
backed jib, and rudder allow you to make the turn.

Once the main jibes over, the main, jib, and helm
combine to help turn you into the wind, and there
you go, sailing close hauled after turning a fast tight
circle.

This is a great technique, particularly on bigger
boats where manipulating a big headsail is a lot
of work. Have you ever been taken aback in a
big boat on the ocean? It is a simple thing to
spin the boat around without touching the sails.

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It's not always possible to bear off... the boat might not complete the
jibe. The easiest way to bear off the wind is to ease the jib first, then
sail away on the hove-to tack.

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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:29:18 -0400, "Bart" .@. said:

"Dave" wrote

"Bart" .@. said:
What is the easiest way to come out of being hove-to and get sailing a
again, assume you want to sail off up wind?

Dunno. I always just ease the windward jib sheet and take up on the
leeward
sheet. There's an easier way?

Sure, of course. Trim in the main, if it's been eased.
Some boats leave the main in while hove to. Then
just bear off hard and do a 270 degree turn.

OK, I've done that too. It really depends on which tack you want to come
out
on. If you want to come out on the same tack you were on before heaving
to,
the method you describe is better. If you want to come out on the same
tack
you were on while hove to, then the way I describe is easier. Your phrase
"sail off up wind" was a bit confusing in that regard, as you might want
to
sail off up wind on either tack.

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Interesting... I'll try it this weekend....

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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:28:24 -0700, "Capt. JG"
said:

It's not always possible to bear off... the boat might not complete the
jibe. The easiest way to bear off the wind is to ease the jib first, then
sail away on the hove-to tack.

It will, on my boat at least.. You may need to ease the main to gain
enough
speed for boat to answer to the rudder, relieve the pressure on the main
and
let the pressure on the jib carry the bow over.

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Capt. JG wrote:
It's not always possible to bear off... the boat might not complete the
jibe. The easiest way to bear off the wind is to ease the jib first, then
sail away on the hove-to tack.

I've seen situations where a boat would not bear off with
the jib flying normally and the main trimmed in, but I've
never seen a situation where the boat would not bear off
with the jib backed, although in light air, it might take
a while.

What sort of situations have you found a boat with a backed
jib would not bear off?

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In light air was what I was thinking....

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"Bart" wrote in message
ups.com...

Capt. JG wrote:
It's not always possible to bear off... the boat might not complete the
jibe. The easiest way to bear off the wind is to ease the jib first, then
sail away on the hove-to tack.

I've seen situations where a boat would not bear off with
the jib flying normally and the main trimmed in, but I've
never seen a situation where the boat would not bear off
with the jib backed, although in light air, it might take
a while.

What sort of situations have you found a boat with a backed
jib would not bear off?

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In light air you might want to ease the main for speed, as
Dave suggested, and then trim it on the gybe.

Still that is easier than grinding in a winch if you want to
proceed on the other tack.

"Capt. JG" wrote
In light air was what I was thinking....

"Bart" wrote

Capt. JG wrote:
It's not always possible to bear off... the boat might not complete the
jibe. The easiest way to bear off the wind is to ease the jib first,
then
sail away on the hove-to tack.

I've seen situations where a boat would not bear off with
the jib flying normally and the main trimmed in, but I've
never seen a situation where the boat would not bear off
with the jib backed, although in light air, it might take
a while.

What sort of situations have you found a boat with a backed
jib would not bear off?