"Capt" Rob wrote:
I wonder why Doug and his Wife, powerboaters through and through, own
guns.

I wonder why Bobsprit feels the need to insult other people
because they have something he doesn't.

As for why I have guns, because I am a small-town Southern
boy and grew up huntin' and shooting for sport. Guns were an
everyday fact of life & part of our household. I am familiar
with guns, comfortable with guns, at one time in my life
spent considerable time & effort developing a high degree of
skill with guns. It's fun and it can come in very handy
(unfortunately... I wish the world were not a place where
guns are often necessary, but wishing doesn't take the place
of reality).


.... Oh, and not just guns; pistols, weapons designed to kill other
human beings.


Why do cops carry pistols in New York City?


Joe wrote:
Maybe to be on a level playing field with a thief or murderer, rapist
if needed.

So they don't get in a gun fight with a knife?


Any gun is a tool. It is merely a differential pressure
engine. Used properly, it does not kill but rather protects
& enforces the law. Just like any other tool. Hammers &
chainsaws can kill people too.

But your right, why carry a pistol when you can own a AR-15 shorty
carbine with a 30 round clip?

http://www.dallasguns.com/media/150_1.jpg way better than a pistol
and just about as easy to manuver in tight areas.


Yeah but it's difficult to wear discreetly under a sports
jacket.

DSK

DSK wrote:
"Capt" Rob wrote:
I wonder why Doug and his Wife, powerboaters through and through, own
guns.

I wonder why Bobsprit feels the need to insult other people
because they have something he doesn't.

As for why I have guns, because I am a small-town Southern
boy and grew up huntin' and shooting for sport. Guns were an
everyday fact of life & part of our household. I am familiar
with guns, comfortable with guns, at one time in my life
spent considerable time & effort developing a high degree of
skill with guns. It's fun and it can come in very handy
(unfortunately... I wish the world were not a place where
guns are often necessary, but wishing doesn't take the place
of reality).


.... Oh, and not just guns; pistols, weapons designed to kill other
human beings.


Why do cops carry pistols in New York City?


Joe wrote:
Maybe to be on a level playing field with a thief or murderer, rapist
if needed.

So they don't get in a gun fight with a knife?


Any gun is a tool. It is merely a differential pressure
engine. Used properly, it does not kill but rather protects
& enforces the law. Just like any other tool. Hammers &
chainsaws can kill people too.

But your right, why carry a pistol when you can own a AR-15 shorty
carbine with a 30 round clip?

http://www.dallasguns.com/media/150_1.jpg way better than a pistol
and just about as easy to manuver in tight areas.


Yeah but it's difficult to wear discreetly under a sports
jacket.

All you need is a trench coat. A 10 mm Glock is pretty bulky too.
If you need to conceal.. then a Walter PPK or Colt hammerless pocket
pony are good choices.

Joe

Joe


DSK

http://www.dallasguns.com/media/150_1.jpg way better than a pistol
and just about as easy to manuver in tight areas.


Yeah but it's difficult to wear discreetly under a sports
jacket.


Joe wrote:
All you need is a trench coat.

I'm not necessarily talking concealment, just discretion &
style. And one can wear a moderate sized pistol on a belt
and still carry out work requiring both hands & some
exertion (climbing around on & under machinery for example).

And in the course of everyday life taken a turn for the
worse, what possible scenario requires a 30 round clip? If
you can't solve the problem with eight bullets (or more
realistically, just two in the right place) then you
obviously ****ed up really *really* bad. An assault rifle is
for assault, not personal protection.


.... A 10 mm Glock is pretty bulky too.

Yep.
Plus I have never been comfortable with the idea of plastic
guns. Perhaps I should look into carbon fiber ones

If you need to conceal.. then a Walter PPK or Colt hammerless pocket
pony are good choices.


My personal fave is the Colt Mustang .380 which is a baby
M1911 even to the way it breaks down. Accurate, safe,
reliable... not hammerless though.

DSK

DSK wrote:
http://www.dallasguns.com/media/150_1.jpg way better than a pistol
and just about as easy to manuver in tight areas.


Yeah but it's difficult to wear discreetly under a sports
jacket.


Joe wrote:
All you need is a trench coat.

I'm not necessarily talking concealment, just discretion &
style. And one can wear a moderate sized pistol on a belt
and still carry out work requiring both hands & some
exertion (climbing around on & under machinery for example).

A tactical sling works well on the AR, you can use both hand and not
have the weapon flopping around.


And in the course of everyday life taken a turn for the
worse, what possible scenario requires a 30 round clip?

A pack of 3-4 kick in burglers..multi intruders ect. Houston ever
since Katrina has had a rash of violent gang type murders robberies.

If
you can't solve the problem with eight bullets (or more
realistically, just two in the right place) then you
obviously ****ed up really *really* bad.

Not so, and if someone boards the boat in the middle of the night, it
might take me 3-4 rounds to get on target. The person ****in up is the
one forcing entry ect. Last time someone boarded my boat in the middle
of the night it was 3 people.

An assault rifle is
for assault, not personal protection.

I wan't to assault the hell out of anyone who I feel a need to point a
gun at.


.... A 10 mm Glock is pretty bulky too.

Yep.
Plus I have never been comfortable with the idea of plastic
guns. Perhaps I should look into carbon fiber ones

More cops carry Glocks than any other auto

If you need to conceal.. then a Walter PPK or Colt hammerless pocket
pony are good choices.


My personal fave is the Colt Mustang .380 which is a baby
M1911 even to the way it breaks down. Accurate, safe,
reliable... not hammerless though.

Seen em..nice

Joe

DSK

And in the course of everyday life taken a turn for the
worse, what possible scenario requires a 30 round clip?


Joe wrote:
A pack of 3-4 kick in burglers..multi intruders ect. Houston ever
since Katrina has had a rash of violent gang type murders robberies.


If you shoot one & he falls dead to the floor, the others
will almost certainly start running like hell. I don't know
about Texas, but here one cannot claim self-defense after
shooting people in the back.


If you shoot one & he falls dead to the floor, and the
others start shooting at you, then you shot the wrong one.
And you still have 6 bullets left, so as long as they're not
very good shots (which most crooks aren't) you still have as
much chance as when you started.





.... If
you can't solve the problem with eight bullets (or more
realistically, just two in the right place) then you
obviously ****ed up really *really* bad.


Not so, and if someone boards the boat in the middle of the night, it
might take me 3-4 rounds to get on target. The person ****in up is the
one forcing entry ect.

Agreed, but *you* ****ed up too... by parking in that
neighborhood.


... Last time someone boarded my boat in the middle
of the night it was 3 people.


So? With an eight round clip that gives you two extra
bullets. Joe, you need to make friends with some law
enforcement types & get in some time with rigorous
double-tapping drills.



More cops carry Glocks than any other auto


I have only looked at a few and that was years ago, I was
not impressed and don't like DA autos anyway. But it could
well be that the Glock is a super utility weapon, but it
could also be that it is aggressively marketed to the right
purchasing agencies.

DSK

DSK wrote:
And in the course of everyday life taken a turn for the
worse, what possible scenario requires a 30 round clip?


Joe wrote:
A pack of 3-4 kick in burglers..multi intruders ect. Houston ever
since Katrina has had a rash of violent gang type murders robberies.


If you shoot one & he falls dead to the floor, the others
will almost certainly start running like hell. I don't know
about Texas, but here one cannot claim self-defense after
shooting people in the back.

Here you have a right to use deadly force to protect life and property.



If you shoot one & he falls dead to the floor, and the
others start shooting at you, then you shot the wrong one.

Again at night, it's dark and the door has been forced open (with
Skipper barking like crazy Terry yelling and me yelling I' going to
shoot) I'm going to start blasting in the general direction (taking
care not to hit the Newmar breaker panel) and steadyup on target later.
I would be very aggressive I assure you. The rash of kick in burglers
have shown they are very willing to kill.

And you still have 6 bullets left, so as long as they're not
very good shots (which most crooks aren't) you still have as
much chance as when you started.

First off I have easy access to 6 other 30 rd clips, I would have all
the chances I need ;0)


.... If
you can't solve the problem with eight bullets (or more
realistically, just two in the right place) then you
obviously ****ed up really *really* bad.


Not so, and if someone boards the boat in the middle of the night, it
might take me 3-4 rounds to get on target. The person ****in up is the
one forcing entry ect.

Agreed, but *you* ****ed up too... by parking in that
neighborhood.

Some of the recent high profile Katrina murders here in Houston are in
some very affluent neighborhoods. One of the many M.O.'s if following
housewifes home from the grocery store or bank and assulting them in
the driveways, ransacking the house, while one goes to the ATM and
emptys the bank accounts.


... Last time someone boarded my boat in the middle
of the night it was 3 people.


So? With an eight round clip that gives you two extra
bullets. Joe, you need to make friends with some law
enforcement types & get in some time with rigorous
double-tapping drills.


That would be fun, the best marine shop in the yard the owner is into
shooting big time, re-loads, ect. Has a rifle range in the shop. He
lets me shoot any time after hours, good place to sight in the scope on
the .22 when the rat population get outta hand.


More cops carry Glocks than any other auto


I have only looked at a few and that was years ago, I was
not impressed and don't like DA autos anyway. But it could
well be that the Glock is a super utility weapon, but it
could also be that it is aggressively marketed to the right
purchasing agencies.

Assault tupperware. The 10mm is nice, 1.4lbs with a full 19 rd clip
IIRC.
I don't care for them either.


DSK

If you shoot one & he falls dead to the floor, the others
will almost certainly start running like hell. I don't know
about Texas, but here one cannot claim self-defense after
shooting people in the back.


Joe wrote:
Here you have a right to use deadly force to protect life and property.


Same here. In fact, NC has a very strong freeholder law, you
can shoot people on your property. However, it would be very
very difficult to justify shooting somebody in the back on
the basis that you were protecting yourself, your family, or
your property. If they're running away, they're not
threatening you.




Again at night, it's dark and the door has been forced open (with
Skipper barking like crazy Terry yelling and me yelling I' going to
shoot) I'm going to start blasting in the general direction (taking
care not to hit the Newmar breaker panel) and steadyup on target later.
I would be very aggressive I assure you. The rash of kick in burglers
have shown they are very willing to kill.


It's been a problem here too, mostly crack-heads. Comes &
goes in waves, usually the spree comes to an ending with one
of the gang getting killed or several of them sent to the
state pea farm for a long long time.

A stun grenade would probably be the best weapon against
them, you could set one off by remote, then just bop them
over the head while they were helpless. Less expensive and
doesn't damage the furniture.

DSK