We're not talking about your secretary, Doug. These are the people that
run the organizations, both financially and functionally.


You mean putting little circles & arrows on the calendar, sweeping the
office, balancing the checkbook, calling the roofing guy.


Maxprop wrote:
Not even close. They are executive directors, people who plan and execute
the agendas of the organizations.

Depends very much on the organization

They are very well compensated for their
expertise and performance.


And (in most cases I know about) their political connections.




How naive you are.

Yeah sure.

That's not calling names, is it? Of course not, but it
doesn't really prove much.


... If I referred to the executive director of our state
professional organization as "an office employee," he'd laugh.


If he's setting the basic policy & long-term agenda of the
organization, then he should laugh... and hand you a jar of
Vaseline.




Sure. The doctors consult their executive directors and ask them for
policy-making direction and guidance.

You don't work with doctors very much, do you?

.... Doctors, as a rule, are great
clinicians but lousy policy makers and planners.

But they are the ones who know what a doctor's professional
concerns & issues are.



... The organization officers consult them for guidance, not vice versa.


That's exactly backwards from the way it should be, and is backwards from
every such organization *I* have experience with.


It's reality, like it or not.

Actually, it isn't.

Your say-so doesn't mean much, and you have done very little
(other than call names) to prove your point.

... Your experience may not have been as close to
the action as you might wish to believe.


Yeah maybe not. When I, along with a group of colleagues,
say to each other "we should have this-or-that" and it
starts happening, that doesn't mean much does it.





My secretary isn't either. But he doesn't make engineering decisions.


Yeah, but does he have nice legs? Wait--don't answer that. I don't want to
know.


Yes you do.


When did we begin talking about my company??? We were discussing
professional organizations, and some not-so-professional, like the AARP.


You just hate-hate-hate the AARP because they didn't roll
over for Bush/Cheney's looting of Social Security, the way
they did for every other Bush/Cheney plan.

And we began talking about your company because it is a
parallel situation to the organizations under discussion...
you claim they are run by & for the professional managers,
but somehow *you* get a different deal.


Nice attempt at obfuscation, but no cigar.

I don't want a cigar, thanks.

DSK