Dave wrote:
.... While
organizations that call themselves charities may themselves be agenda-drive,
and so-called public interest groups are certainly agenda-driven, that's a
whole 'nother story, and one I wasn't addressing.

No. You were addressing the point that while they have
supported some Bush/Cheney programs, they have opposed
others, and therefor you say ugly things about them.

DSK

Dave wrote:
?????

You're losing it, Doug.

Yeah, I guess I must be. Everything I said was correct.


... I think you better go back and review the thread.

No need. I was actually there for it the first time.

DSK

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Dave wrote:
Given that publications of the once-respected ABA have become shills
for a
left-wing cheering section, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised to see
the
doctors following.

Don't you ever get tired of accusing everybody who doesn't think Bush &
Cheney are utterly perfect is a far left-wing whacko?

The AARP, doctors, who's next?

I don't think Bush and Cheney are utterly perfect.

O' my God--I'm a liberal !!!


shhhh...

No ****.

Max

"DSK" wrote in message
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Don't you ever get tired of accusing everybody who doesn't think Bush &
Cheney are utterly perfect is a far left-wing whacko?



Maxprop wrote: I don't think Bush and Cheney are utterly perfect.

O' my God--I'm a liberal !!!

Yeah, but you're not a cool rural Southern in-the-closet-gun-owning
liberal like me.

I am, however, a vile Bible Belt, out-of-the-closet, gun-owning
environmentalist/libertarian. That must be worth something.

Max

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"DSK" wrote in message
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Actually the AMA is run by doctors and the AARP is run by retired
people.


Dave wrote:
And the tooth fairy comes to replace a kid's tooth under the pillow with
money.


So, having MD after the name just means the guy likes the sound of it,
right?


A number of years ago, I represented an association manager. She ran I
don't
know how many associations, most of them created by her, made good money
at
it, and had a great kitty, funded by dues, to push what she wanted in a
whole variety of newsletters of the various associations. It was an
enlightening experience.

And it doesn't apply across the board to every single association.

DSK


Doug you should see what those companies that collect for charities pull
in. 85% of the solicited gifts to the charity is not uncommon.

It's practically the rule rather than the exception. The United Way has
such a deplorable pass-through rate (that amount that makes it to the
targeted end-users) as to be a joke. At times it's been less than 10%.

Max

"DSK" wrote in message
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And it doesn't apply across the board to every single association.


Dave wrote:
Doug, I get the ABA Journal, as well as its separate business lawyer's
glossy magazine.

So?

... I also get the AARP rags.

Are you 55 or older?

Both the President and the CEO of AARP are. Which is what I said. In fact,
they are both grandparents. In other words, they are members of the group
they represent. Your problem with that is.... what, exactly?

Harry Belefonte was their man of the year in 2006. They should have printed
that nice shot of him with Hugo Chavez in the AARP magazine.

I'm not either. It's a standard on public library shelves. Meanwhile, the
president of the AMA (as well as all but two or three of their board and
council members) are practicing (or formerly practicing) physicians.

Right. But the executives that run the AMA and my organization, the AOA,
are not physicians or optometrists--they are pros that run professional
organizations.


Max

Maxprop wrote:
Harry Belefonte was their man of the year in 2006. They should have printed
that nice shot of him with Hugo Chavez in the AARP magazine.


They have to do something to "balance" their strong support
of the Medicare Reform (ie Pharm Industry Bribe) program and
their further support thru 3 elections.

But hey, what have they done for President Bush lately?



I'm not either. It's a standard on public library shelves. Meanwhile, the
president of the AMA (as well as all but two or three of their board and
council members) are practicing (or formerly practicing) physicians.


Right. But the executives that run the AMA and my organization, the AOA,
are not physicians or optometrists--they are pros that run professional
organizations.


Well, duh. My secretary isn't an engineer, either.

So you agree with Dave that *all* charities and civic and
professional interest organizations are crooked shills
pushing an ultra-left-wing agenda? What a cheerful (and
realistic) view of the world.

DSK

Max

Maxprop wrote:


It's practically the rule rather than the exception. The United Way has
such a deplorable pass-through rate (that amount that makes it to the
targeted end-users) as to be a joke. At times it's been less than 10%.

Perhaps this just a US problem,
http://www1.unitedway.ca/sites/Porta...orm.aspx?ID=20 ,

Or did you you just make up that 10% figure?

Cheers
Marty

So you agree with Dave that *all* charities and civic and
professional interest organizations are crooked shills
pushing an ultra-left-wing agenda? What a cheerful (and
realistic) view of the world.


Dave wrote:
A gross misstatement of my position.


Well, please state your position clearly then. You certainly
seemed to imply that because one charity that you worked for
was crooked & driven by a personal agenda, that *all* are?
You even claimed that this view was "the real world."


First, Doug, as I said before I really wasn't addressing either charities or
civic organizations. That's a red herring you dragged in.


???

Aren't AARP and the AMA civic organizations? Didn't you
specifically speak of charities? Maybe that was a different
thread? Please clarify.


Second your word "all" ought to be a red flag to anyone with a bit of sense.

In that case, please specify what percent of charities &
civic organizations you think are all right.

I know only the specifics of the ones that I am involved
with & donate to. The Leukemia Society and the Nature
Conservancy are the two main ones, and they are both fine
organizations with much to be proud of.

Regards
Doug King

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"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Don't you ever get tired of accusing everybody who doesn't think Bush &
Cheney are utterly perfect is a far left-wing whacko?



Maxprop wrote: I don't think Bush and Cheney are utterly perfect.

O' my God--I'm a liberal !!!

Yeah, but you're not a cool rural Southern in-the-closet-gun-owning
liberal like me.

I am, however, a vile Bible Belt, out-of-the-closet, gun-owning
environmentalist/libertarian. That must be worth something.


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