http://www.northsails.com/north_amer...ilHandling.htm

Bart wrote:
http://www.northsails.com/north_amer...ilHandling.htm


Bart, I had the dutchman on the 35s5 and removed it. After a few
seasons of heavy sailing, it not only mars the sails, but also doesn't
always flake very well. Chafing is a factor. It's also a bit messy
looking with the fishing line everywhere. A Island Packet 35 got it
installed and he got the those gray streaks on his sails after just one
season with the boat in Florida.

I chose the Doyle stackpack after trying it out on a Sweden 39 and
Catalina 34. It does not get involved with sail or put holes in it. It
zips closed easily (most of the time!). The entired covered sail can be
slid off the boom at the end of the season. The only downside is the
height of the fabric near the mast...it may be too high on a boat as
large as yours. You do need to reach it to zip it up and to help the
sail fall into place at times. Full battons are not a bad idea...and
your main will last longer as well. I don't pay what others do, but my
"guess" is that a stackpack setup for your boat would be somewhere
between 1500 and 2000 dollars.
Typically I'd be cool with lazyjacks, but with a toddler on board we're
seeking to speed up our packup time. I see folks come in with that
Stackpack...and they just go home while I wrestle my sail in a slow
match. Remember that the Stackpack incorporates a lazyjack system and a
integral sailcover.
I can save you a few dollars if you have any interest as Doyle works
with me and Boatmax.
Just a thought.


RB
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
Bart wrote:
http://www.northsails.com/north_amer...ilHandling.htm

Capt. Rob wrote:
Video of Dutchman system, which, while promotional, will allow you to
see why it has some issues.

??? What issues? This video just shows how it works.
You are talking nonsense again. Please remember to
take your medication.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8EPk...elated&search=

North Sails is the largest sail manufacturer
in the world. They think the Dutchman System is the
best sail flaking system and give supportable reasons
in a side-by side comparison. The winner is clear.

The link to the North Sails forum discusses the issues.
The issues listed at North Sails are minor compared to
what it does for you. They rate it the number one system
available. That is all I have to say on the subject.

Thanks for the video, and remember to take your meds,
it will help you control your urge to shove your unsupported
foot in you mouth.

??? What issues? This video just shows how it works.
You are talking nonsense again.


North has makes more money off the Dutchman than a loft like Doyle.
Doyle is the EXCLUSIVE seller of the stackpack, but also sells the
Dutchman. It's obvious why North "prefers" the Dutchman, but it's
simply not the best.

Downside of the Dutchman:
1) Chafing
2) quite a pain to remove your sail.
3) Does not fully protect the sail when covered.
4) Works VERY poorly as the sail ages.
5) Can foul on battons on some rigs.

Downside of the Stackpack:
1) Added windage when sail is down
2) Minimal loss of effective SA (I feel, though others say no)

Advantages of Doyle Stackpack:
1) FULLY protects the sail when covered
2) Requires no holes or mods on sail.
3) No chafing or fouling issues.
4) Very easy to remove, while leaving lazy jack system and sail in
place-better for racing/cruising boats.
5) Works great, even as a sail ages
6) Sailcover is integrated, so less work.

Bart, ask around. Both systems are excellent, but anyone who's had/used
both is willing to pay for the stackpack twice. The advantages of the
stackpack are very clear, even if you haven't used either.
Rather than talk about "meds" perhaps you can explain why you think the
Dutchman is better, asside from a loft (who wants your money) telling
you so.

RB
35s5
NY