Jeff wrote:
Capt. Rob wrote:
Second clip, still some nice air and a off to windward at just over 6
knots VMG....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RivCUMzy4xc

Once again, RB demonstrates that he doesn't understand the meaning of
"VMG" - how embarrassing for him!



Uh, poor Jeff. VMG was based on our progress to a bouy as reported by
Bob's Garmin Foretrex 201. Bob does transatlantic deliveries almost
every year. How many have you done?
I guess boats never beat their polars, right Jeff?
How embarassing for you. What's worse is that you really don't know our
exact point of sail, which makes a huge difference of course. Did I
mention that this was embarassing for you? I wonder how well you can
sail when you make dopey trolls like this.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Clonk! Where's Gilligan?!


RB
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
Jeff wrote:
Capt. Rob wrote:
Second clip, still some nice air and a off to windward at just over 6
knots VMG....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RivCUMzy4xc

Once again, RB demonstrates that he doesn't understand the meaning of
"VMG" - how embarrassing for him!



Uh, poor Jeff. VMG was based on our progress to a bouy as reported by
Bob's Garmin Foretrex 201. Bob does transatlantic deliveries almost
every year. How many have you done?

When "Bob" comes on this forum and says that the upwind VMG, through
the water, was truly over 6 knots you might have something. Until
then, you have nothing except the word of a self-admitted pathological
liar who has repeatedly shown he doesn't understand the concept of VMG.

BTW, As everyone (except you, apparently) knows, unless the buoy is
directly upwind, it doesn't count as "upwind VMG."

I guess boats never beat their polars, right Jeff?

Not by that large an amount. Even if you were doing 8 knots through
the water at 40 degrees true, adding in a bit of leeway, you would
only be at 5.7 knots.

I don't even know what the 35s5 polars say, but the 36.7 has a peak
VMG of under 5, and the 407 is just over 5 knots; and this is not
taking into account leeway. Both of these boats have a PHRF 40 points
or more faster than the 35s5.

How embarassing for you. What's worse is that you really don't know our
exact point of sail, which makes a huge difference of course.

Your point of sail??? You said "to windward at just over 6
knots VMG." To a sailor, that pretty much says it all. Once again,
you've shown that you don't actually understand the terms "to
windward" and "VMG."

Did I
mention that this was embarassing for you? I wonder how well you can
sail when you make dopey trolls like this.

Yes Bob, I suppose its embarrassing for all of us. You're here making
a total fool of yourself, showing that you don't understand even the
simplest concepts of sailing, and its becoming clear that you lack the
intellectual capacity to ever learn them.

Your point of sail??? You said "to windward at just over 6
knots VMG." To a sailor, that pretty much says it all. Once again,
you've shown that you don't actually understand the terms "to
windward" and "VMG."



Uh, Jeff....to windward does not mean mean you're as high up as you can
go. You CLEARLY don't know what windward means at all. You seem to
think that it must be fully close hauled. Nope and nope. I never said
we were beating, which is more specific to most folks, but even that is
not always optimal upwind work, now is it?! Jeff, look at ANY sailing
book. Anything higher than a BEAM REACH is upwind!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now lets see you backpedal out of this one.
All you have left...and have been reduced to...is calling me names.
I've posted video of Heart of Gold clearly booking and a fun sail. I
reported speed and VMG via the GPS.

Sorry we're having a blast with the boat, Jeff. I can see it's killing
you when you see a video of Heart of Gold flying along and all you do
is cry about our VMG!!!


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA! CRACK!!!!



RB
35s5
NY

Thank you for admitting that you really don't understand the basic
terminology of sailing.

You're claiming now that whenever you say "upwind" you might mean
"ever so slightly higher than a beam reach" and when you say "VMG
upwind" you actually mean speed through the water, or speed over
ground, or what ever speed you think sounds cool.

Here's a hint: I have no need of backpedaling, you're the one who
said: "to windward at just over 6 knots VMG." That means only one
thing to a sailor. Obviously, it means something different to you.

Its nice you're having fun with the boat. Think of how much more fun
it would be if you learned how to sail.





Capt. Rob wrote:
Your point of sail??? You said "to windward at just over 6
knots VMG." To a sailor, that pretty much says it all. Once again,
you've shown that you don't actually understand the terms "to
windward" and "VMG."



Uh, Jeff....to windward does not mean mean you're as high up as you can
go. You CLEARLY don't know what windward means at all. You seem to
think that it must be fully close hauled. Nope and nope. I never said
we were beating, which is more specific to most folks, but even that is
not always optimal upwind work, now is it?! Jeff, look at ANY sailing
book. Anything higher than a BEAM REACH is upwind!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now lets see you backpedal out of this one.
All you have left...and have been reduced to...is calling me names.
I've posted video of Heart of Gold clearly booking and a fun sail. I
reported speed and VMG via the GPS.

Sorry we're having a blast with the boat, Jeff. I can see it's killing
you when you see a video of Heart of Gold flying along and all you do
is cry about our VMG!!!


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA! CRACK!!!!



RB
35s5
NY

You're claiming now that whenever you say "upwind" you might mean
"ever so slightly higher than a beam reach" and when you say


No, Jeff. Never said. All I'm saying is that you've made an arse of
yourself after I simply stated VMG upwind, which you ASSUMED must be
beating.
I'm not sure which is more embarrassing for you....

1) Raging over our VMG without knowing our specific POS and conditions.
2) Not really knowing what upwind means.
3) Falling into your own bucket of crap and calling me names.

Your own fault, Jeff. We went sailing. You stayed home. Same thing
happens today...but then I miss tomorrow cuz' Suzanne's working.
You sound like one seriously unhappy fella!


RB
35s5
NY

You're claiming now that whenever you say "upwind" you might mean
"ever so slightly higher than a beam reach"

When Bubbles says anything at all, he's basically full of ****.


"Capt" Rob wrote:
No, Jeff. Never said. All I'm saying is that you've made an arse of
yourself

How? By trying to have a sailing conversation with the
Boobsprit, using actual sailing terms?


after I simply stated VMG upwind, which you ASSUMED must be
beating.

What else would it be?

In order to make 6 knots upwind VMG, you would have to be
going over 8 knots thru the water.

DSK

In order to make 6 knots upwind VMG, you would have to be
going over 8 knots thru the water.


Knotmeter reported 7.2 knots when the GPS reported VMG of 6 knots.

Imagine if any of you were out sailing as we were....nope. You're all
HERE watching my sailing clips!!!!


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!



RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote:

You're claiming now that whenever you say "upwind" you might mean
"ever so slightly higher than a beam reach" and when you say

Actually, to a sailor, when you combine "upwind" and "VMG", you should
be refering to to that component of the boats velocity towards a point
directly upwind of the boats present position; this is in fact an
imaginary moving point.

What you perhaps should have said is that you were sailing upwind,
making a VMG of 6 knots towards a buoy. Not quite the same thing.

Cheers
Marty

What you perhaps should have said is that you were sailing upwind,
making a VMG of 6 knots towards a buoy.



Well, Martin....in all honesty I knew the video clips of Heart of Gold
sailing nicely would upset folks like Jeff and Doug. On the other
hand...ZOWEE! Jeff really went zonko!
For a pathological liar, I'm sure good at coming up with photos and
video that back what I say in every case. Poor Scotty still thinks I
went around and put shackles on all the boats at my club!


RB
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
You're claiming now that whenever you say "upwind" you might mean
"ever so slightly higher than a beam reach" and when you say


No, Jeff. Never said. All I'm saying is that you've made an arse of
yourself after I simply stated VMG upwind, which you ASSUMED must be
beating.

I would say that 99% of the boating community would say that VMG to
windward implies beating, although it can be an instantaneous measure,
it doesn't actually mean you're tacking back and forth. Nor does it
mean you're at the optimal upwind angle. You could be on a beam reach
or even going downwind, and your "VMG to windward" could still be
measured.

I'm not sure which is more embarrassing for you....

I'm only embarrassed for you ... especially since you keep digging the
hole deeper, revealing that you have learned nothing about sailing.


1) Raging over our VMG without knowing our specific POS and conditions.

Point of sail is irrelevant. When you say "to windward at just over 6
knots VMG" you are saying something very specific and well understood
by any experienced sailor.

2) Not really knowing what upwind means.

I know exactly what it means. Its quite clear to everyone that you do
not know what "VMG to windward" means.

3) Falling into your own bucket of crap and calling me names.

You mean the "pathological liar" comment? You've claimed a number of
times that you lie deliberately. In fact, you seem to take great
pride in your elaborate lies. Are you now lying when you claim you're
not a liar?


Your own fault, Jeff. We went sailing. You stayed home. Same thing
happens today...but then I miss tomorrow cuz' Suzanne's working.
You sound like one seriously unhappy fella!

I didn't stay home, actually I was out on a friend's boat.