suggestions for a stove?
 

I've been keeping up with the Force5 discussion. But, I was wondering
what you folks would do for a cooking appliance, given the space and
layout I have.

Here's the counterspace I have to work with.
http://sports.webshots.com/photo/277...97509592aoEcBp

TIA
Scout

suggestions for a stove?
 

Scout wrote:
I've been keeping up with the Force5 discussion. But, I was wondering
what you folks would do for a cooking appliance, given the space and
layout I have.

Here's the counterspace I have to work with.
http://sports.webshots.com/photo/277...97509592aoEcBp

TIA
Scout

Sorry, it Force 10...I has half awake.

Here are the counter top force 10's
http://www.force10.com/galleyranges/index3.html

Joe

suggestions for a stove?
 

Scout wrote:
I've been keeping up with the Force5 discussion. But, I was wondering
what you folks would do for a cooking appliance, given the space and
layout I have.

Here's the counterspace I have to work with.
http://sports.webshots.com/photo/277...97509592aoEcBp

TIA
Scout

alcohol stove...cut a hole and stick one in...

suggestions for a stove?
 

You can do that with CNG also, even propane, but you have to have an
external tank and all the requisit stuff.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"katy" wrote in message
...
Scout wrote:
I've been keeping up with the Force5 discussion. But, I was wondering
what you folks would do for a cooking appliance, given the space and
layout I have.

Here's the counterspace I have to work with.
http://sports.webshots.com/photo/277...97509592aoEcBp

TIA
Scout

alcohol stove...cut a hole and stick one in...

suggestions for a stove?
 

Scout wrote:
I've been keeping up with the Force5 discussion. But, I was wondering
what you folks would do for a cooking appliance, given the space and
layout I have.

Here's the counterspace I have to work with.
http://sports.webshots.com/photo/277...97509592aoEcBp

TIA
Scout


I use a small single-burner Kenyon butane stove. They're inexpensive
and can be stowed easily when not in use. No cutting required. If you
want it to be permanently mounted, they sell a kit that will let you
attach it to a horizontal surface.

Mine is mounted on the reverse side of a cutting board so when not in
use the whole thing flips upside down and out of sight. (I did have to
make some small modifications to the stove to prevent it from coming
apart upside down!)

The stove uses small, disposable butane cannisters. There are some
safety considerations when using butane (I'm by no means an expert), but
there are with almost any stove. I store the cannisters in an outside
propane locker and just bring one below when I need it.

Two disadvantages: (1) only one burner. (2) the cannisters can
sometimes be tricky to get. Most marine stores carry them but I find
them much cheaper on ebay.

suggestions for a stove?
 

"brad" wrote in message
news:b3cUg.15633$iA5.13079@dukeread11...
Scout wrote:
I've been keeping up with the Force5 discussion. But, I was wondering
what you folks would do for a cooking appliance, given the space and
layout I have.

Here's the counterspace I have to work with.
http://sports.webshots.com/photo/277...97509592aoEcBp

TIA
Scout


I use a small single-burner Kenyon butane stove. They're inexpensive and
can be stowed easily when not in use. No cutting required. If you want
it to be permanently mounted, they sell a kit that will let you attach it
to a horizontal surface.

Mine is mounted on the reverse side of a cutting board so when not in use
the whole thing flips upside down and out of sight. (I did have to make
some small modifications to the stove to prevent it from coming apart
upside down!)

The stove uses small, disposable butane cannisters. There are some safety
considerations when using butane (I'm by no means an expert), but there
are with almost any stove. I store the cannisters in an outside propane
locker and just bring one below when I need it.

Two disadvantages: (1) only one burner. (2) the cannisters can sometimes
be tricky to get. Most marine stores carry them but I find them much
cheaper on ebay.

Thanks for the details Brad!
Scout

suggestions for a stove?
 

"katy" wrote in message
...
Scout wrote:
I've been keeping up with the Force5 discussion. But, I was wondering
what you folks would do for a cooking appliance, given the space and
layout I have.

Here's the counterspace I have to work with.
http://sports.webshots.com/photo/277...97509592aoEcBp

TIA
Scout

alcohol stove...cut a hole and stick one in...

I've still got my chainsaw warm, wonder how it'll cut glass...
Scout

suggestions for a stove?
 

"Scout" wrote in message
oups.com...
I've been keeping up with the Force5 discussion. But, I was wondering
what you folks would do for a cooking appliance, given the space and
layout I have.

Here's the counterspace I have to work with.
http://sports.webshots.com/photo/277...97509592aoEcBp

A recent Practical Sailor did a study of portable stoves. That should help.

Boat sure looks like a quality item, Scout.

Max

suggestions for a stove?
 

"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Scout" wrote in message
oups.com...
I've been keeping up with the Force5 discussion. But, I was wondering
what you folks would do for a cooking appliance, given the space and
layout I have.

Here's the counterspace I have to work with.
http://sports.webshots.com/photo/277...97509592aoEcBp

A recent Practical Sailor did a study of portable stoves. That should
help.

Boat sure looks like a quality item, Scout.

Thanks Bart.
I pressure washed her bottom and topsides tonight; a good bit of the Gulf
growth; also some barnacles on the prop and shaft, which scraped off easy
enough. Spending some time figuring out the elec and plumbing systems too.
Looks like she'll sleep 2 real comfortably, but not more than 2 (and maybe
an adolescent).
Cold will be here soon; gotta get a winterizing task list together.
Then I can figure out that mast raising system.
But for now, the Eagles are beating GB!
Scout

suggestions for a stove?
 

"Scout" wrote in message
. ..
"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Scout" wrote in message
oups.com...
I've been keeping up with the Force5 discussion. But, I was wondering
what you folks would do for a cooking appliance, given the space and
layout I have.

Here's the counterspace I have to work with.
http://sports.webshots.com/photo/277...97509592aoEcBp

A recent Practical Sailor did a study of portable stoves. That should
help.

Boat sure looks like a quality item, Scout.

Thanks Bart.
I pressure washed her bottom and topsides tonight; a good bit of the Gulf
growth; also some barnacles on the prop and shaft, which scraped off easy
enough. Spending some time figuring out the elec and plumbing systems too.
Looks like she'll sleep 2 real comfortably, but not more than 2 (and maybe
an adolescent).
Cold will be here soon; gotta get a winterizing task list together.
Then I can figure out that mast raising system.
But for now, the Eagles are beating GB!
Scout

Sorry - meant to say thanks Max!
Scout

suggestions for a stove?
 

Scout wrote:

I pressure washed her bottom and topsides tonight; a good bit of the Gulf
growth; also some barnacles on the prop and shaft, which scraped off easy
enough. Spending some time figuring out the elec and plumbing systems too.
Looks like she'll sleep 2 real comfortably, but not more than 2 (and maybe
an adolescent).

Just joined the group - hello all.

So, how big is your boat? I'm taking the "plunge" and will be buying my
first boat over the course of the next 12 months. Sleeping 2 is nice,
but do you have a dining space which doubles as an entertainment area?
You know, small couch so you can chill to some music or watch a DVD? Or
amn I totally clueless?

Cold will be here soon; gotta get a winterizing task list together.
Then I can figure out that mast raising system.
But for now, the Eagles are beating GB!

An Eagles fan, huh? Alright. Are you here in Philly or somewhere else?

Jim

suggestions for a stove?
 

Scout wrote:

But, I was wondering
what you folks would do for a cooking appliance, given the space and
layout I have.

Forgot to comment - I have a 3 burner Coleman camping stove - I only
use the 2 outside burners though. It runs on Coleman Fuel which is
pretty much the same thing as Gasoline but cleaner. The gas is liquid
but you fill up the canister attached to the stove and then pump it to
raise the pressure and turn it into a gas - and the pressure can re
released when you are done cooking. But as with any gas stove, you want
to only use it indorrs if you have great ventilation otherwise there's
a build up od cabon monoxide. It has 2 side flaps to cut down on the
wind and of course the cover which also is wind protection. The whole
things folds up and looks like a briefcase so also good for
space-constrained situations.

Jim

suggestions for a stove?
 

Scout wrote:
But, I was wondering
what you folks would do for a cooking appliance, given the space and
layout I have.


I'd recommend the alcohol stove, too. One burner is really
all you need.


Jim K. wrote:
Forgot to comment - I have a 3 burner Coleman camping stove - I only
use the 2 outside burners though. It runs on Coleman Fuel which is
pretty much the same thing as Gasoline but cleaner. The gas is liquid
but you fill up the canister attached to the stove and then pump it to
raise the pressure and turn it into a gas - and the pressure can re
released when you are done cooking.

We cruised in company with friends with these. Kind of a
PITA when you all you want is a cup of hot coffee in the
morning, isn't it? And it does nothing to warm up the inside
of the boat.


But as with any gas stove, you want
to only use it indorrs if you have great ventilation otherwise there's
a build up od cabon monoxide.

CO is certainly something to be careful of, but 'great
ventilation' is open to interpretation. How much ventilation
do you need? Without a CO monitor, you have no way of guessing.

I have cruised with people who insisted that they only use
the stove when a freezing wind was blowing thru the cabin...
no thanks. BTW I have known people who had the same idea
about their fireplaces, literally went and opened all their
windows before starting a fire... needless to say their
heating bills went up rather than down...

I bought one of those CO detector cards and taped it to the
inside cabin top for a short cruise. With the c'way slightly
cracked, no problem indicated. Making a pot of coffee or tea
warmed up the cabin nicely. I still would not leave the
stove burning overnight though.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

suggestions for a stove?
 

DSK wrote:
Jim K. wrote:
Forgot to comment - I have a 3 burner Coleman camping stove

We cruised in company with friends with these. Kind of a
PITA when you all you want is a cup of hot coffee in the
morning, isn't it? And it does nothing to warm up the inside
of the boat.

Not familiar with "PITA" - but why would you only use it for coffee -
isn't the purpose of a stove to cook your meals? And I wouldn't use one
to heat the place - I wouldn't live in cold climates during the winter.

suggestions for a stove?
 

We cruised in company with friends with these. Kind of a
PITA when you all you want is a cup of hot coffee in the
morning, isn't it? And it does nothing to warm up the inside
of the boat.


Jim K. wrote:
Not familiar with "PITA"

Acronym for "pain in the neck."

... but why would you only use it for coffee -
isn't the purpose of a stove to cook your meals?

Not *only* for cuffee, but for the early morning ritual of
making a cup of coffee, it is slow & cumbersome. Our friends
had to start out by getting a sponge and drying the dew off
the deck & cockpit. I took pity on them and offered coffee
from our pot ;)

One of the luxuries of small boat cruising is that you can
start the stove in the morning and get coffee without having
to get out of your bunk & sleeping bag.


.... And I wouldn't use one
to heat the place - I wouldn't live in cold climates during the winter.


I wouldn't call North Carolina a "cold climate" but we
certainly have chilly days where sailing is glorious. And if
you're out on a cruise, and the weather turns nippy... what
do you do then?

FWIW I used a camping stove similar to what you're
describing for some years, both camping and on a
camper-cruiser that was a small boat with no cabin.
Different standards... don't know if I'd go back to that!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

suggestions for a stove?
 

DSK wrote:

Acronym for "pain in the neck."


Got it.

Not *only* for cuffee, but for the early morning ritual of
making a cup of coffee, it is slow & cumbersome.

You're probably right - easier to get something dedicated to making
coffee - but coffee wouldn't be my main concerns. But cooking at least
one meal a day - the ability to have 2 or 3 burners can really help.

I wouldn't call North Carolina a "cold climate" but we
certainly have chilly days where sailing is glorious. And if
you're out on a cruise, and the weather turns nippy... what
do you do then?

I would dock further south and if it still got chilly - deal with it or
have a separate device for warming the inside.

I'm a newbie here - I'm going to post an intro and my situation right
now.

Later,
Jim

suggestions for a stove?
 

Jim K. wrote:
DSK wrote:
Jim K. wrote:
Forgot to comment - I have a 3 burner Coleman camping stove

We cruised in company with friends with these. Kind of a
PITA when you all you want is a cup of hot coffee in the
morning, isn't it? And it does nothing to warm up the inside
of the boat.

Not familiar with "PITA" - but why would you only use it for coffee -
isn't the purpose of a stove to cook your meals? And I wouldn't use one
to heat the place - I wouldn't live in cold climates during the winter.

I think you're a trifle naive about all of this. 1. PITA is pain in
the arse 2. cooking with a Coleman stove (and I am very familiar with
them from years of camping) on a boat is a recipe for disaster 3. Unless
you're going to spend a predominant amount or time (and I thought you
mentioned locations like Baltimore, etc) in southern Florida, you are
going to need some kind of heating system, whether it be electric on the
dock or Orrigo alcohol. Nights in the south do get cold...and out on
the water it is not just cold but cold and wet..much more bone chilling.
So if you're planning to do business in the mid-Atlantic states, how
does traveling back and forth between the south of Florida and that
work? As far as personal transportation goes, a folding bike would be
best in your situation. You will have to rely on public transportation,
where there is that feature. Otherwise, you woll be stuck. You will
need at least a 30 foot boat for your adventure. You're talking about a
lot of stuff...camera equipment, etc and will need storage space. You
will also need to make provisions that none of your equipment is
affected by hunidity and salt. From my personal experience, people who
set up goals like yours do well living aboard, but they very rarely
sail. Might as well get a houseboat...you could still go south, have
more room, be on the water. And if you wanted to sail, get a sailing
dinghy to pull behind.

suggestions for a stove?
 

katy wrote:

I think you're a trifle naive about all of this. 1. PITA is pain in
the arse

Excuse me but I do not know EVERY single internet anocronym - and I
already saw the response - why repeat it?

2. cooking with a Coleman stove (and I am very familiar with
them from years of camping) on a boat is a recipe for disaster

I am new to this - sorry I didn't mention that, but the one guy
mentioned using a propane stove - how can that be okay but a coleman
stove is not?

3. Unless
you're going to spend a predominant amount or time (and I thought you
mentioned locations like Baltimore, etc) in southern Florida, you are
going to need some kind of heating system, whether it be electric on the
dock or Orrigo alcohol.

I live in Philadelphia - believe - you do not need any heating in the
Summertime. I won't be in one place and never move - I'll be moving all
the time.

Nights in the south do get cold...and out on
the water it is not just cold but cold and wet..much more bone chilling.
So if you're planning to do business in the mid-Atlantic states, how
does traveling back and forth between the south of Florida and that
work?

Can't believe you don't know that answere - move south as it gets cold

As far as personal transportation goes, a folding bike would be
best in your situation. You will have to rely on public transportation,
where there is that feature. Otherwise, you woll be stuck. You will
need at least a 30 foot boat for your adventure. You're talking about a
lot of stuff...camera equipment, etc and will need storage space.

Most fits into my photo backpack - that's not a lot of room.


You
will also need to make provisions that none of your equipment is
affected by hunidity and salt.

True.

From my personal experience, people who
set up goals like yours do well living aboard, but they very rarely
sail. Might as well get a houseboat...you could still go south, have
more room, be on the water. And if you wanted to sail, get a sailing
dinghy to pull behind.

I wouls sail for one reason - to shhot up and down the East Coast and
to attend Art Festivals up and down the coast.

suggestions for a stove?
 

Jim,

Really not to sure of you just yet, but do like your willingness to
contribute.

I'd like to suggest you print out these post and save them. If you do
get a boat and use it as I think you're are. These posts will be truly
enlightening; at a later date!!

Welcome Aboard by the way.


http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ILLDRINKTOTHAT

http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

http://community.webtv.net/tassail/IDONTFEELGOOD

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Jim K. wrote:
katy wrote:

I think you're a trifle naive about all of this. 1. PITA is pain in
the arse

Excuse me but I do not know EVERY single internet anocronym - and I
already saw the response - why repeat it?

Because posts don't instantaneously appear in order...I didn't read
Doug's reply until after I had answered yours...not used to USENET yet huh?

2. cooking with a Coleman stove (and I am very familiar with
them from years of camping) on a boat is a recipe for disaster

I am new to this - sorry I didn't mention that, but the one guy
mentioned using a propane stove - how can that be okay but a coleman
stove is not?

I don't think propane stoves are safe. We have one on our boat. We
made it inoperable.

3. Unless
you're going to spend a predominant amount or time (and I thought you
mentioned locations like Baltimore, etc) in southern Florida, you are
going to need some kind of heating system, whether it be electric on the
dock or Orrigo alcohol.

I live in Philadelphia - believe - you do not need any heating in the
Summertime. I won't be in one place and never move - I'll be moving all
the time.

Nights in the south do get cold...and out on
the water it is not just cold but cold and wet..much more bone chilling.
So if you're planning to do business in the mid-Atlantic states, how
does traveling back and forth between the south of Florida and that
work?

Can't believe you don't know that answere - move south as it gets cold

As far as personal transportation goes, a folding bike would be
best in your situation. You will have to rely on public transportation,
where there is that feature. Otherwise, you woll be stuck. You will
need at least a 30 foot boat for your adventure. You're talking about a
lot of stuff...camera equipment, etc and will need storage space.

Most fits into my photo backpack - that's not a lot of room.


You
will also need to make provisions that none of your equipment is
affected by hunidity and salt.

True.

From my personal experience, people who
set up goals like yours do well living aboard, but they very rarely
sail. Might as well get a houseboat...you could still go south, have
more room, be on the water. And if you wanted to sail, get a sailing
dinghy to pull behind.

I wouls sail for one reason - to shhot up and down the East Coast and
to attend Art Festivals up and down the coast.

You're going to "shoot" up and down the coast in a vessel that at best
will go 7 knots? Why don't you just learn to sail first and live in a
mobile camper thingie...then you can see if it will work or
not....living aboard can be fun...or it can be the worst nightmare
you've ever had...get experience with boats first and then make your
decisions. And grow some callous.

suggestions for a stove?
 

Jim,

A Coleman stove using Coleman fuel is a PITA to say the least. The
largest part of that PITA is ignition. That preheating in a small arena,
such as a small boat's cabin in DANGEROUS!!! Secondly, a unsecured lit
stove on a heeling boat is DANGEROUS!!!. Thirdly; a Coleman in it's
sheet metal, folding container is more than twice the size it should be
for a boat's cabin and a PITA!!! When not in use it has to be stored. On
a small boat like Scout's, with a inboard Diesel engine; storage space
is at a premium. A Colemen is a PITA!!! Jim, also the fuel storage is a
PITA, as is Alcohol but a PITA as well!!!

After saying all that people still use them on board boats but it's one
of the thing that list high on the "PITA LIST!"


http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ILLDRINKTOTHAT

http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

http://community.webtv.net/tassail/IDONTFEELGOOD

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Propane is safe if you take the proper precautions.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"katy" wrote in message
...
Jim K. wrote:
katy wrote:

I think you're a trifle naive about all of this. 1. PITA is pain in
the arse

Excuse me but I do not know EVERY single internet anocronym - and I
already saw the response - why repeat it?

Because posts don't instantaneously appear in order...I didn't read Doug's
reply until after I had answered yours...not used to USENET yet huh?

2. cooking with a Coleman stove (and I am very familiar with
them from years of camping) on a boat is a recipe for disaster

I am new to this - sorry I didn't mention that, but the one guy
mentioned using a propane stove - how can that be okay but a coleman
stove is not?

I don't think propane stoves are safe. We have one on our boat. We made
it inoperable.

3. Unless
you're going to spend a predominant amount or time (and I thought you
mentioned locations like Baltimore, etc) in southern Florida, you are
going to need some kind of heating system, whether it be electric on the
dock or Orrigo alcohol.

I live in Philadelphia - believe - you do not need any heating in the
Summertime. I won't be in one place and never move - I'll be moving all
the time.

Nights in the south do get cold...and out on
the water it is not just cold but cold and wet..much more bone chilling.
So if you're planning to do business in the mid-Atlantic states, how
does traveling back and forth between the south of Florida and that
work?

Can't believe you don't know that answere - move south as it gets cold

As far as personal transportation goes, a folding bike would be
best in your situation. You will have to rely on public transportation,
where there is that feature. Otherwise, you woll be stuck. You will
need at least a 30 foot boat for your adventure. You're talking about a
lot of stuff...camera equipment, etc and will need storage space.

Most fits into my photo backpack - that's not a lot of room.


You
will also need to make provisions that none of your equipment is
affected by hunidity and salt.

True.

From my personal experience, people who
set up goals like yours do well living aboard, but they very rarely
sail. Might as well get a houseboat...you could still go south, have
more room, be on the water. And if you wanted to sail, get a sailing
dinghy to pull behind.

I wouls sail for one reason - to shhot up and down the East Coast and
to attend Art Festivals up and down the coast.

You're going to "shoot" up and down the coast in a vessel that at best
will go 7 knots? Why don't you just learn to sail first and live in a
mobile camper thingie...then you can see if it will work or not....living
aboard can be fun...or it can be the worst nightmare you've ever had...get
experience with boats first and then make your decisions. And grow some
callous.

suggestions for a stove?
 

Capt. JG wrote:
Propane is safe if you take the proper precautions.

All you need to do is forget just once to turn off that valve....

suggestions for a stove?
 

The same goes with all other fuels. Forget one thing and you'll regret it.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"katy" wrote in message
...
Capt. JG wrote:
Propane is safe if you take the proper precautions.

All you need to do is forget just once to turn off that valve....

suggestions for a stove?
 

I'd rather be lucky than good. :-)

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 18:52:55 -0400, katy
scribbled thusly:

Capt. JG wrote:
Propane is safe if you take the proper precautions.

All you need to do is forget just once to turn off that valve....

And have a leak in the system!

I've installed scores of LPG systems in boats....not one has exploded
yet.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

suggestions for a stove?
 

"Jim K." wrote in message
ups.com...

Scout wrote:

I pressure washed her bottom and topsides tonight; a good bit of the Gulf
growth; also some barnacles on the prop and shaft, which scraped off easy
enough. Spending some time figuring out the elec and plumbing systems
too.
Looks like she'll sleep 2 real comfortably, but not more than 2 (and
maybe
an adolescent).

Just joined the group - hello all.

Welcome Jim!

So, how big is your boat? I'm taking the "plunge" and will be buying my
first boat over the course of the next 12 months. Sleeping 2 is nice,
but do you have a dining space which doubles as an entertainment area?
You know, small couch so you can chill to some music or watch a DVD? Or
amn I totally clueless?

I'm not looking to live aboard.
I just want to be able to sail and then rest comfortably at night.
The boat is only 26' long. It's not a palace but it will do.
There's really no room to entertain, just to eat, sleep, poop, and sail.

Cold will be here soon; gotta get a winterizing task list together.
Then I can figure out that mast raising system.
But for now, the Eagles are beating GB!

An Eagles fan, huh? Alright. Are you here in Philly or somewhere else?

Yup!
Scout

suggestions for a stove?
 

katy wrote:

Because posts don't instantaneously appear in order...I didn't read
Doug's reply until after I had answered yours...not used to USENET yet huh?


Unfortunately, way too familiar with usenet - and the evil trolls that
occupy it.


I don't think propane stoves are safe. We have one on our boat. We
made it inoperable.

I would think so too but not familiar with the sailing world so thought
I'd offer another solution - I now understand that I was wrong and
propane and gas stoves are not a good idea. What do you use then?


You're going to "shoot" up and down the coast in a vessel that at best
will go 7 knots?

What's the rush? Are you an uneasy person who always feels the need to
move - you got a shaky leg? And I already did the math - 1182 miles
from Philly to Fort Lauderdale at 7 knots is ~ 170 hrs - that's 7 days
of 24 hr sailing - which isn't possible - that's 14 days of sailing 12
hrs a day - which I doubt think would be enjoyable if it is possible to
sail solo for that many hrs a day - or 28 days of sailing 6 hrs a day
which I'm sure is doable. And since the whole idea is to "shoot"
(that's a photographer's term for taking a picture - you don't need to
put in quotation marks) everywhere to get marketable shots - what's the
problem with taking my time and slowly making my way along the coast.

Soooooooo - 28 days - that's 4 weeks - stop every few days to
photograph local parks, bays, wildlife, etc. If you ask me - that's the
way to do it - take your time - so with occsaional stops to photograph
- let's turn that into 56 days - less than 2 months could always start
a cruise up to Philly or - further north - in late may - start my
return inearly September - and if it's a little cold in late May or
Early Sept - suck it up - I've camped in weather as cold as 24 degrees
and it wasn't a challenge.


Why don't you just learn to sail first

Already working on it - my goal is to make this happen in 4 years -
earlier if possible - but that will give me enough time to learn to
sail (Phila Sailing Club), save money for the boat, and to establish my
photo biz.

then you can see if it will work or
not....living aboard can be fun...

I'll make it work and nothing will stop me - I'm not the only person
who wants to live aboard - I'm not the only freelance photographer in
the world. And why do you alternate between saying something nice and
something not nice. Haven't you learned that you should write how you
would speak in person? With manners and respect?

you've ever had...get experience with boats first and then make your
decisions.

Come on - who would be stupid enough to live aboard in a sail boat
without learning to sail first? Like I said - at least 4 years from now
- and if it takes 10 years - so be it.

And grow some callous.

Aren't you the little sweetie! And BTW - that doesn't make any sense -
do you mean callusses? I forsee that we won't become friends unless you
change - too bad - never understand why some people prefer to attack
rather than saying, "Hello, welcome aboard"?

Jim

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Thom Stewart wrote:
Jim,

A Coleman stove using Coleman fuel is a PITA to say the least.

wooooooo - relax - what a PITA - I admit I'm wrong - I'm not familar
with the situation and only mentioned it because another guy mentioned
a propane stove - easy Tarzan! Why are you so mad? It's not me who hurt
you. Relax - relax - relax.

Do you understand - relax - just have the common sense to post a msg
that a coleman stove is not a good idea - don't get all upset and feel
the need to use "PITA" in such a ridiculous manner. What's wrong with
you? Did you're wife leave you? No one limkes you? Esteem issues?
Whatever it is - it's not my fault.

Jim

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Scout wrote:

Welcome Jim!


Wow - thank you for that! Big time - really - thanks!

I'm not looking to live aboard.
I just want to be able to sail and then rest comfortably at night.
The boat is only 26' long. It's not a palace but it will do.

That's all I would want - maybe a little bigger.

There's really no room to entertain, just to eat, sleep, poop, and sail.

That's enough for me - hang out on top and wander the coastline
photograhing.

...eagles fan?

Yup!

cool - It's so important we beat Dallas this week - especially since we
habded the win to the giants.

Tlak to you later.
Jim

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Jim K. wrote:
katy wrote:

Because posts don't instantaneously appear in order...I didn't read
Doug's reply until after I had answered yours...not used to USENET yet huh?


Unfortunately, way too familiar with usenet - and the evil trolls that
occupy it.


I don't think propane stoves are safe. We have one on our boat. We
made it inoperable.

I would think so too but not familiar with the sailing world so thought
I'd offer another solution - I now understand that I was wrong and
propane and gas stoves are not a good idea. What do you use then?


You're going to "shoot" up and down the coast in a vessel that at best
will go 7 knots?

What's the rush? Are you an uneasy person who always feels the need to
move - you got a shaky leg? And I already did the math - 1182 miles
from Philly to Fort Lauderdale at 7 knots is ~ 170 hrs - that's 7 days
of 24 hr sailing - which isn't possible - that's 14 days of sailing 12
hrs a day - which I doubt think would be enjoyable if it is possible to
sail solo for that many hrs a day - or 28 days of sailing 6 hrs a day
which I'm sure is doable. And since the whole idea is to "shoot"
(that's a photographer's term for taking a picture - you don't need to
put in quotation marks) everywhere to get marketable shots - what's the
problem with taking my time and slowly making my way along the coast.

Soooooooo - 28 days - that's 4 weeks - stop every few days to
photograph local parks, bays, wildlife, etc. If you ask me - that's the
way to do it - take your time - so with occsaional stops to photograph
- let's turn that into 56 days - less than 2 months could always start
a cruise up to Philly or - further north - in late may - start my
return inearly September - and if it's a little cold in late May or
Early Sept - suck it up - I've camped in weather as cold as 24 degrees
and it wasn't a challenge.


Why don't you just learn to sail first

Already working on it - my goal is to make this happen in 4 years -
earlier if possible - but that will give me enough time to learn to
sail (Phila Sailing Club), save money for the boat, and to establish my
photo biz.

then you can see if it will work or
not....living aboard can be fun...

I'll make it work and nothing will stop me - I'm not the only person
who wants to live aboard - I'm not the only freelance photographer in
the world. And why do you alternate between saying something nice and
something not nice. Haven't you learned that you should write how you
would speak in person? With manners and respect?

you've ever had...get experience with boats first and then make your
decisions.

Come on - who would be stupid enough to live aboard in a sail boat
without learning to sail first? Like I said - at least 4 years from now
- and if it takes 10 years - so be it.

And grow some callous.

Aren't you the little sweetie! And BTW - that doesn't make any sense -
do you mean callusses? I forsee that we won't become friends unless you
change - too bad - never understand why some people prefer to attack
rather than saying, "Hello, welcome aboard"?

Jim

Your assumptions are wrong. Most of the regulars here have sailed for a
very long time and have various amounts of vast experience...myself
included. Within that experience, we meet many people who express the
desire to do what you want to do before knowing the basics. Like
anything else, it is always better to start at the beginning and then
see where it goes. Naivety and romanticism get people into trouble. And
like I stated in a previous post, I do believe that people need to be
their brother's keepers in respect to issuing the proper caveats when
needed. And your nice/not nice question? Always look at the pros and
cons of situations. Right now you are all entranced with the pros. You
haven't factored in the independent variables that could make your life
something less than ideal. Also, anyone who has met me here in the
group, and there are many, will tell you that I talk like this in
reality. I am not a person that shilly-sahllies around issues or is
afraid to express an opinion.

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Jim K. wrote:
Thom Stewart wrote:
Jim,

A Coleman stove using Coleman fuel is a PITA to say the least.

wooooooo - relax - what a PITA - I admit I'm wrong - I'm not familar
with the situation and only mentioned it because another guy mentioned
a propane stove - easy Tarzan! Why are you so mad? It's not me who hurt
you. Relax - relax - relax.

Do you understand - relax - just have the common sense to post a msg
that a coleman stove is not a good idea - don't get all upset and feel
the need to use "PITA" in such a ridiculous manner. What's wrong with
you? Did you're wife leave you? No one limkes you? Esteem issues?
Whatever it is - it's not my fault.

Jim

Maybe you should go to the archives and read a bunch of posts from the
regulars here so you have a method to weigh what you're saying to whom.
You are speaking to the esteemed patriarch of out group and he has
more experience than all the rest of us wrapped up together.When you've
been here 10 years or so, then maybe you can address Thom like that.
His post was not angry at all. That is just his writing style.

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"Jim K." wrote:




Aren't you the little sweetie! And BTW - that doesn't make any sense -
do you mean callusses? I forsee that we won't become friends unless you
change - too bad - never understand why some people prefer to attack
rather than saying, "Hello, welcome aboard"?


Holy Cow Katy! What did you say to Jim? I must have missed it.


Cheers
Marty
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"Jim K." wrote:

Thom Stewart wrote:
? Jim,
?
? A Coleman stove using Coleman fuel is a PITA to say the least.

wooooooo - relax - what a PITA - I admit I'm wrong - I'm not familar
with the situation and only mentioned it because another guy mentioned
a propane stove - easy Tarzan! Why are you so mad? It's not me who hurt
you. Relax - relax - relax.

Do you understand - relax - just have the common sense to post a msg
that a coleman stove is not a good idea - don't get all upset and feel
the need to use "PITA" in such a ridiculous manner. What's wrong with
you? Did you're wife leave you? No one limkes you? Esteem issues?
Whatever it is - it's not my fault.

Jim:

Why on earth would would you take such offense at such an innocuous
post? I agree with Thom, Coleman stoves using Naphtha are a pain in the
ass. Heck, they're a PITA on dry land, I'd much rather use a portable
propane stove.

FWIW. (For What It's Worth [contributing to your education here]), I
have an alcohol stove, but I also have a folding propane stove and a
Force 10 propane barbecue on the stern pulpit; they can use the same
disposable 1 lb. canisters. The canisters are easy to stow topsides and
prevent the build up of heavier than air propane in the cabin.

BTW, try not to take every response as a personal attack, some of us
just tend to be a bit terse.

Cheers
Marty

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"Jim K." wrote:


??...eagles fan?

? Yup!

cool - It's so important we beat Dallas this week - especially since we
habded the win to the giants.

Whoa, hold on there! Now you're 'dissin America's Team! Fie on you,
"Guard thy head well, for ere long...."

Cheers
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Martin Baxter wrote:
Jim:

Why on earth would would you take such offense at such an innocuous
post?

Well she could have been less rude in her response - that's all. She's
proud of the fact that she speaks her mind - there's a name for a
person like that. The rest of us were taught by our parents to be nice.

BTW, try not to take every response as a personal attack, some of us
just tend to be a bit terse.

Hey - I truly apologize if I'm out of line - and if I am - "I'm Sorry"
- but what's katy's problem? in person people have manners. She seems
to think that on the web it's okay to be rude. I disagree.

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Martin Baxter wrote:
"Jim K." wrote:


Aren't you the little sweetie! And BTW - that doesn't make any sense -
do you mean callusses? I forsee that we won't become friends unless you
change - too bad - never understand why some people prefer to attack
rather than saying, "Hello, welcome aboard"?


Holy Cow Katy! What did you say to Jim? I must have missed it.


Cheers
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I responded to him in my usual manner when someone is being idealistic
and naive..looked at some pros and cons...he's a bit of a fragile soul
so we'll have to make some exceptions for him until he learns his way
here..right now, he thinks bull and bluster works...he wants everyone to
afree with him....

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Martin Baxter wrote:
"Jim K." wrote:

??...eagles fan?

? Yup!

cool - It's so important we beat Dallas this week - especially since we
habded the win to the giants.

Whoa, hold on there! Now you're 'dissin America's Team! Fie on you,
"Guard thy head well, for ere long...."

Cheers
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Marty...you're Canadian...you're not supposed to know anything about
mercan football....

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Jim K. wrote:
Martin Baxter wrote:
Jim:

Why on earth would would you take such offense at such an innocuous
post?

Well she could have been less rude in her response - that's all. She's
proud of the fact that she speaks her mind - there's a name for a
person like that. The rest of us were taught by our parents to be nice.

BTW, try not to take every response as a personal attack, some of us
just tend to be a bit terse.

Hey - I truly apologize if I'm out of line - and if I am - "I'm Sorry"
- but what's katy's problem? in person people have manners. She seems
to think that on the web it's okay to be rude. I disagree.

I'm not being ride...I am being realistic. You have a very tender side.
How DO you manage in a corporate world? Or is that why you're leaving?

suggestions for a stove?
 

Scout I replaces my old pressurized alcohol stove with one of these and
has worked wonders. ORIGO 4100 DOUBLE BURNER STOVE - DROP-IN Have a
look here http://www.interconmktg.com/pages_stoves/4100.htm


Scout wrote:

I've been keeping up with the Force5 discussion. But, I was wondering
what you folks would do for a cooking appliance, given the space and
layout I have.

Here's the counterspace I have to work with.
http://sports.webshots.com/photo/277...97509592aoEcBp

TIA
Scout

suggestions for a stove?
 

Scout I replaced my old pressurized alcohol stove with one of these and
it
has worked wonders. ORIGO 4100 DOUBLE BURNER STOVE - DROP-IN Have a
look here http://www.interconmktg.com/pages_stoves/4100.htm



Scout wrote:

I've been keeping up with the Force5 discussion. But, I was wondering
what you folks would do for a cooking appliance, given the space and
layout I have.

Here's the counterspace I have to work with.
http://sports.webshots.com/photo/277...97509592aoEcBp

TIA
Scout