Wind Speed Test # 1
 

OK, all you Internet sailor , expert wave / wind speed
predictors. For 10 points, tell me the wind speed in these
pics. Pics a1-4 are same time, different angles, one day,
pics b1-5 are same thing, different day. For 5 bonus points
name the exact heeling angle.

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/554469564MvWNTx

--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

Wind Speed Test # 1
 

On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 10:44:15 -0400, "Scotty"
wrote:

OK, all you Internet sailor , expert wave / wind speed
predictors. For 10 points, tell me the wind speed in these
pics. Pics a1-4 are same time, different angles, one day,
deacreasing 3
pics b1-5 are same thing, different day.
increasing 4
For 5 bonus points
name the exact heeling angle.
"bugger all"

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/554469564MvWNTx

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Scotty wrote:
OK, all you Internet sailor , expert wave / wind speed
predictors. For 10 points, tell me the wind speed in these
pics. Pics a1-4 are same time, different angles, one day,
pics b1-5 are same thing, different day.

Judging from the water, it looks like about 12 ~ 15 knots,
but I would think more from looking at the reefed sails.
Looks like you were well out in the middle, too.


.... For 5 bonus points
name the exact heeling angle.

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/554469564MvWNTx


The angle of maximum fun?

DSK

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Scotty wrote:
OK, all you Internet sailor , expert wave / wind speed
predictors. For 10 points, tell me the wind speed in these
pics. Pics a1-4 are same time, different angles, one day,
pics b1-5 are same thing, different day. For 5 bonus points
name the exact heeling angle.

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/554469564MvWNTx

--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

a-8-11 kts
b-9-15
8 degrees

Joe

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sfa ?


OzOne wrote in message
...
On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 10:44:15 -0400, "Scotty"

scribbled thusly:

OK, all you Internet sailor , expert wave / wind speed
predictors. For 10 points, tell me the wind speed in
these
pics. Pics a1-4 are same time, different angles, one day,
pics b1-5 are same thing, different day. For 5 bonus
points
name the exact heeling angle.

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/554469564MvWNTx

sfa...and all under 15kts...probably much closer to 12.

Heel...zip to 15 degrees.

Were the long stemmed wine glasses still standing?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting
you.

Wind Speed Test # 1
 

"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...

Scotty wrote:
OK, all you Internet sailor , expert wave / wind speed
predictors. For 10 points, tell me the wind speed in
these
pics. Pics a1-4 are same time, different angles, one
day,
pics b1-5 are same thing, different day. For 5 bonus
points
name the exact heeling angle.

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/554469564MvWNTx

--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

a-8-11 kts
b-9-15
8 degrees


Damn Koe, did you cheat? According to iWind it was a=8-12
b=9-14 and I have no idea what the heel was. 15 points to
Joe. Spend them wisely.

Scotty

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"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Scotty wrote:
OK, all you Internet sailor , expert wave / wind speed
predictors. For 10 points, tell me the wind speed in
these
pics. Pics a1-4 are same time, different angles, one
day,
pics b1-5 are same thing, different day.

Judging from the water, it looks like about 12 ~ 15 knots,
but I would think more from looking at the reefed sails.
Looks like you were well out in the middle, too.

felt like 15-20 to me, but I'm always off. According to the
iWind report it was 8-14. The waves were bigger than what
the pics show.
My boat is a bit tender, light, so she really likes to have
her main reefed early.

Scotty

Wind Speed Test # 1
 

OzOne wrote in message
...
On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 00:02:03 -0400, "Scotty"

scribbled thusly:

sfa ?

Sweet F**k All.....or put another way sweet fanny adams.


Who's fanny Adams?

Wind Speed Test # 1
 

On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 00:04:34 -0400, "Scotty"
wrote:


"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Scotty wrote:
OK, all you Internet sailor , expert wave / wind speed
predictors. For 10 points, tell me the wind speed in
these
pics. Pics a1-4 are same time, different angles, one
day,
pics b1-5 are same thing, different day. For 5 bonus
points
name the exact heeling angle.

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/554469564MvWNTx

--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

a-8-11 kts
b-9-15
8 degrees


Damn Koe, did you cheat? According to iWind it was a=8-12
b=9-14 and I have no idea what the heel was. 15 points to
Joe. Spend them wisely.

Scotty


Heck, I was first!
Wind converter http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/sail.htm Beaufort

Wind Speed Test # 1
 

On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 19:09:39 +1000, OzOne wrote:

On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 09:42:12 +0100, Goofball_star_dot_etal
scribbled thusly:


Heck, I was first!

Bwaahahhahahhahahhahahhahahaa!
Tell someone who cares!


I see you killing time too..

Wind Speed Test # 1
 

On 30 Sep 2006 19:10:56 -0700, "Joe" wrote:


Scotty wrote:
OK, all you Internet sailor , expert wave / wind speed
predictors. For 10 points, tell me the wind speed in these
pics. Pics a1-4 are same time, different angles, one day,
pics b1-5 are same thing, different day. For 5 bonus points
name the exact heeling angle.

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/554469564MvWNTx

--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

a-8-11 kts
b-9-15
8 degrees

Joe

This?
http://www.wareing.dircon.co.uk/images/Wicklow.jpg

Wind Speed Test # 1
 

On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 20:41:59 +1000, OzOne wrote:

On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 10:19:08 +0100, Goofball_star_dot_etal
scribbled thusly:

On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 19:09:39 +1000, OzOne wrote:

On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 09:42:12 +0100, Goofball_star_dot_etal
scribbled thusly:


Heck, I was first!

Bwaahahhahahhahahhahahhahahaa!
Tell someone who cares!


I see you killing time too..

Time for a gun thread!


You could watch a video..
http://www.wareing77.plus.com/movies/Celine_video.htm
( embedded .wmv video
http://www.wareing77.plus.com/movies/IMGP0090-3.wmv )

Wind Speed Test # 1
 

On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 21:59:07 +1000, OzOne wrote:

On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 11:56:22 +0100, Goofball_star_dot_etal
scribbled thusly:

On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 20:41:59 +1000, OzOne wrote:

On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 10:19:08 +0100, Goofball_star_dot_etal
scribbled thusly:

On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 19:09:39 +1000, OzOne wrote:

On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 09:42:12 +0100, Goofball_star_dot_etal
scribbled thusly:


Heck, I was first!

Bwaahahhahahhahahhahahhahahaa!
Tell someone who cares!


I see you killing time too..

Time for a gun thread!


You could watch a video..
http://www.wareing77.plus.com/movies/Celine_video.htm
( embedded .wmv video
http://www.wareing77.plus.com/movies/IMGP0090-3.wmv )


Drew a blank I'm afraid......well not really..

7.2M I suppose Oz will get broadband one day, like Wales. :-)

Wind Speed Test # 1
 

Scotty wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...

Scotty wrote:
OK, all you Internet sailor , expert wave / wind speed
predictors. For 10 points, tell me the wind speed in
these
pics. Pics a1-4 are same time, different angles, one
day,
pics b1-5 are same thing, different day. For 5 bonus
points
name the exact heeling angle.

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/554469564MvWNTx

--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

a-8-11 kts
b-9-15
8 degrees


Damn Koe, did you cheat? According to iWind it was a=8-12
b=9-14

They must like to puff things up 1 kt for some reason..

and I have no idea what the heel was. 15 points to
Joe. Spend them wisely.

No need to cheat dotty, I can read the water like a book, the
pictures look pretty clear.

Joe

Scotty

Wind Speed Test # 1
 

OzOne wrote in message
...
On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 00:27:14 -0400, "Scotty"

scribbled thusly:


OzOne wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 00:02:03 -0400, "Scotty"

scribbled thusly:

sfa ?

Sweet F**k All.....or put another way sweet fanny
adams.


Who's fanny Adams?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanny_Adams


Interesting story. But what does it have to do with wind
speed?

SBV

Wind Speed Test # 1
 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanny_Adams


I've heard that expression before but didn't know the story
behind it. I don't understand why the neighbors stopped her
father with his shotgun.... would have served the perp right.

Scotty wrote:
Interesting story. But what does it have to do with wind
speed?


It's implying that there is little or no wind in your pics.

DSK

Wind Speed Test # 1
 

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanny_Adams


I've heard that expression before but didn't know the
story
behind it. I don't understand why the neighbors stopped
her
father with his shotgun.... would have served the perp
right.

Scotty wrote:
Interesting story. But what does it have to do with wind
speed?


It's implying that there is little or no wind in your
pics.


You saying Ozzy is blind or just plain stupid?

SBV

Wind Speed Test # 1
 

Scotty wrote:
You saying Ozzy is blind or just plain stupid?


Who knows, we all have our days ;)

I wonder if they thought you meant to be like Bubbles,
bragging about how much wind was in your photo rather than
simply trying to see how accurately anybody could guage the
wind strength from it.

Photos almost always understate the wind & waves. I tried to
take that into account in looking at yours. Also, looking
upwind gives a different impression than looking downwind,
which is one reason why your pics were good (giving an all
around view).

DSK

Wind Speed Test # 1
 

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Scotty wrote:
You saying Ozzy is blind or just plain stupid?


Who knows, we all have our days ;)

I wonder if they thought you meant to be like Bubbles,

Ya notice how quiet he is now?


bragging about how much wind was in your photo rather than
simply trying to see how accurately anybody could guage
the
wind strength from it.

Nah, how could I brag about the wind, I have nothing to do
with it.



SBV

Wind Speed Test # 1
 

Goofball_star_dot_etal wrote:
On 30 Sep 2006 19:10:56 -0700, "Joe" wrote:


Scotty wrote:
OK, all you Internet sailor , expert wave / wind speed
predictors. For 10 points, tell me the wind speed in these
pics. Pics a1-4 are same time, different angles, one day,
pics b1-5 are same thing, different day. For 5 bonus points
name the exact heeling angle.

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/554469564MvWNTx

--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

a-8-11 kts
b-9-15
8 degrees

Joe

This?
http://www.wareing.dircon.co.uk/images/Wicklow.jpg

25-32
making 7.6kts

Joe

Wind Speed Test # 1
 

On 1 Oct 2006 09:49:19 -0700, "Joe" wrote:


Goofball_star_dot_etal wrote:
On 30 Sep 2006 19:10:56 -0700, "Joe" wrote:


Scotty wrote:
OK, all you Internet sailor , expert wave / wind speed
predictors. For 10 points, tell me the wind speed in these
pics. Pics a1-4 are same time, different angles, one day,
pics b1-5 are same thing, different day. For 5 bonus points
name the exact heeling angle.

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/554469564MvWNTx

--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

a-8-11 kts
b-9-15
8 degrees

Joe

This?
http://www.wareing.dircon.co.uk/images/Wicklow.jpg

25-32
making 7.6kts

Joe

Well done Joe!
10 Welsh points.

I would have said less looking at the still pic. Blowing NNE f6-7 for
previous three days. 2.5-3 metres sea. Looking back towards Dublin,
approaching Wicklow head. SOG about 12 kts with only 1/3 foresail
out, no main but about 4-5kts. tide with us.

Heading for start of Celtic Challenge 2004.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_...ge_rowing_race

Wind Speed Test # 1
 

On 1 Oct 2006 09:49:19 -0700, "Joe" wrote:

Boat speed? 22ft LOA. close hauled.
http://www.wareing77.plus.com/images/IMGP0124020.jpg
Frame from video, yesterday.

Wind Speed Test # 1
 

Enough to sail.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scotty" wrote in message
...
OK, all you Internet sailor , expert wave / wind speed
predictors. For 10 points, tell me the wind speed in these
pics. Pics a1-4 are same time, different angles, one day,
pics b1-5 are same thing, different day. For 5 bonus points
name the exact heeling angle.

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/554469564MvWNTx

--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

Wind Speed Test # 1
 

Goofball_star_dot_etal wrote:
On 1 Oct 2006 09:49:19 -0700, "Joe" wrote:

Boat speed? 22ft LOA. close hauled.
http://www.wareing77.plus.com/images/IMGP0124020.jpg
Frame from video, yesterday.

Looks like a good 9 kts.

What's with that forward rail?? Looks alwful funky up forward.

Joe

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On 1 Oct 2006 15:47:07 -0700, "Joe" wrote:


Goofball_star_dot_etal wrote:
On 1 Oct 2006 09:49:19 -0700, "Joe" wrote:

Boat speed? 22ft LOA. close hauled.
http://www.wareing77.plus.com/images/IMGP0124020.jpg
Frame from video, yesterday.

Looks like a good 9 kts.

6.0 It only surfs downwind.


What's with that forward rail?? Looks alwful funky up forward.

Yeah, it is not very pretty above the waterline. The pullpit is inside
the forestay. Handy to sit in the hatch and clip on to change
jibs.The plastic pipe does not help the looks either but at least I
can see it without glasses! I put my effort into fixing the keel and a
few other things when it broke the box and started swinging like a
pendulum. I'll worry about cosmetics later.
Time for bed.. Cheers.

Joe

Wind Speed Test # 1
 

Goofball_star_dot_etal wrote:
Boat speed? 22ft LOA. close hauled.
http://www.wareing77.plus.com/images/IMGP0124020.jpg
Frame from video, yesterday.


Pretty nice waves there. From the wave crests I'd guage the
wind in the mid-teens, no spin drift or spray off the
breakers (at least none showing in the photo.

It doesn't look to me as if the boat is close hauled at all,
more like a broad reach.

Looks like a good 9 kts.


6.0 It only surfs downwind.


Hard to say what the boat speed is since you can't see the
stern wave in the pic. I'd have guess less than 9 though, or
the track off the rudder would be more agitated.





What's with that forward rail?? Looks alwful funky up forward.


Yeah, it is not very pretty above the waterline. The pullpit is inside
the forestay. Handy to sit in the hatch and clip on to change
jibs.The plastic pipe does not help the looks either but at least I
can see it without glasses! I put my effort into fixing the keel and a
few other things when it broke the box and started swinging like a
pendulum. I'll worry about cosmetics later.

Hmmm... sails look pretty good even if the rig is
unorthodox.... or does everybody in your part of the world
put the bow pulpit halfway up the fore deck?!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Wind Speed Test # 1
 

OzOne wrote in message
...
On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 09:55:07 -0400, "Scotty"

scribbled thusly:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanny_Adams


Interesting story. But what does it have to do with wind
speed?

SBV

The expression "Sweet Fanny Adams" refers to her and has
come, through
British naval slang, to mean "nothing at all".


So your answer is 0kts? Bzzzzt wrong!

SBV

Wind Speed Test # 1
 

OzOne wrote in message news:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanny_Adams


Interesting story. But what does it have to do with
wind
speed?

SBV

The expression "Sweet Fanny Adams" refers to her and
has
come, through
British naval slang, to mean "nothing at all".


So your answer is 0kts? Bzzzzt wrong!

SBV

Comparatively speaking Scooter.....bugger all in laymans
language.


You can bugger all the laymen you want, your answer is still
WRONG.

S

Wind Speed Test # 1
 

OzOne wrote in message
...
On Mon, 2 Oct 2006 04:28:37 -0400, "Scotty"

scribbled thusly:

You can bugger all the laymen you want, your answer is
still
WRONG.

S

It was bugger all Scooter.
Real sailors sail in 15 - 20 and 6' seas every time!

Ah, so if it's blowing 14 you stay at the dock. I see.

Scooter

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On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 19:55:05 -0400, DSK wrote:

Goofball_star_dot_etal wrote:
Boat speed? 22ft LOA. close hauled.
http://www.wareing77.plus.com/images/IMGP0124020.jpg
Frame from video, yesterday.


Pretty nice waves there. From the wave crests I'd guage the
wind in the mid-teens, no spin drift or spray off the
breakers (at least none showing in the photo.

90% of the time here the wind is on-shore with a fetch of 80nm+. In
this case it was off-shore with a fetch of perhaps 3nm. It was
basically flat but breezey. f4-5, 5 in pic.

It doesn't look to me as if the boat is close hauled at all,
more like a broad reach.


I would settle for a close reach. The wind was from the south and the
coast runs SW. It was a broad reach on the way back. The boat was not
entirely under tight control on account of being single-handed with a
camera in one hand.

Looks like a good 9 kts.


6.0 It only surfs downwind.


Hard to say what the boat speed is since you can't see the
stern wave in the pic. I'd have guess less than 9 though, or
the track off the rudder would be more agitated.

Come on, be fair. It is 22ft., how many boats of this general type
plane to windward? The most I have done is 12.5kn. on a broad reach
but you get back quick under those conditions.





What's with that forward rail?? Looks alwful funky up forward.


Yeah, it is not very pretty above the waterline. The pullpit is inside
the forestay. Handy to sit in the hatch and clip on to change
jibs.The plastic pipe does not help the looks either but at least I
can see it without glasses! I put my effort into fixing the keel and a
few other things when it broke the box and started swinging like a
pendulum. I'll worry about cosmetics later.

Hmmm... sails look pretty good even if the rig is
unorthodox.... or does everybody in your part of the world
put the bow pulpit halfway up the fore deck?!

No, it is odd. It makes sense though for the design. It is a 30+? year
old boat by Ian Procter like this one:
http://www.naiadhome.com/presto.htm The big genoa wraps around the
outside of the hull http://www.wareing.dircon.co.uk/images/partial.jpg
(mine) closing the gap and increasing the effective aspect ratio.
Also the 'chute lived (it is dead) in a tube that runs the length of
the cabin and pops out of a hole clear of everything where the anchor
is. See the video :-) ( no chute, active content video, please wait)
http://www.wareing77.plus.com/movies/Partial_video1.htm
or poke around: http://www.wareing77.plus.com/movies


Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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OzOne scribbled thusly:
Pretty much......but then again...It's rarely under 15.


Sounds like a great place for sailing, but do your guys do
OK traveling to regattas where there is light air?




Oh BTW when the seas are around 6'...you need a decent breeze....


Depends.... some folks like a challenge ;)

DSK

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Goofball_star_dot_etal wrote:
90% of the time here the wind is on-shore with a fetch of 80nm+. In
this case it was off-shore with a fetch of perhaps 3nm. It was
basically flat but breezey. f4-5, 5 in pic.


It doesn't look to me as if the boat is close hauled at all,
more like a broad reach.



I would settle for a close reach. The wind was from the south and the
coast runs SW. It was a broad reach on the way back. The boat was not
entirely under tight control on account of being single-handed with a
camera in one hand.


In this pic right here?
http://www.wareing.dircon.co.uk/images/Wicklow.jpg
It looks to me like the wind is blowing R to L, obliquely
out of the pic; the boat is headed in almost the same
direction although the wake looks to be headed somewhat L to R.

The waves crests look like there is some weight in the wind
but not enough to put popcorn all over the upper part of the
waves.


Hard to say what the boat speed is since you can't see the
stern wave in the pic. I'd have guess less than 9 though, or
the track off the rudder would be more agitated.


Come on, be fair. It is 22ft., how many boats of this general type
plane to windward?

I wasn't trying to be insulting at all, just trying to make
an accurate guess. It's a fun game since we all know how
misleading pictures can be!



.... The most I have done is 12.5kn. on a broad reach
but you get back quick under those conditions.


That's respectable for a 22 ft boat! Especially without a
spinnaker. If you got one, you could set up the wind vane to
steer while you played the chute!


Hmmm... sails look pretty good even if the rig is
unorthodox.... or does everybody in your part of the world
put the bow pulpit halfway up the fore deck?!


No, it is odd. It makes sense though for the design. It is a 30+? year
old boat by Ian Procter like this one:
http://www.naiadhome.com/presto.htm

Thanks for the info. I have seen/sailed a Newbridge
Navigator but none of their other boats. Your boat seems a
bit more performance oriented; Proctor did some great racing
dinghy one-designs.


.... The big genoa wraps around the
outside of the hull http://www.wareing.dircon.co.uk/images/partial.jpg
(mine) closing the gap and increasing the effective aspect ratio.

I bet you could point higher if the sheeting was further
inboard.... OTOH trying to point high in big waves is a
mug's game. Prob'ly better the way you have it, for your
area ;)

It's an interesting boat and your set-up seems very
practical. A shame there aren't some like that around here.

DSK

Wind Speed Test # 2
 

Wind speed?

http://sports.webshots.com/photo/201...63212926EKBrOU

Joe







Scotty wrote:
OK, all you Internet sailor , expert wave / wind speed
predictors. For 10 points, tell me the wind speed in these
pics. Pics a1-4 are same time, different angles, one day,
pics b1-5 are same thing, different day. For 5 bonus points
name the exact heeling angle.

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/554469564MvWNTx

--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

Wind Speed Test # 2
 

Joe wrote:
Wind speed?

http://sports.webshots.com/photo/201...63212926EKBrOU

Joe







Scotty wrote:
OK, all you Internet sailor , expert wave / wind speed
predictors. For 10 points, tell me the wind speed in these
pics. Pics a1-4 are same time, different angles, one day,
pics b1-5 are same thing, different day. For 5 bonus points
name the exact heeling angle.

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/554469564MvWNTx

--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

30knots

Wind Speed Test # 1
 

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:13:20 -0400, DSK wrote:

Goofball_star_dot_etal wrote:
90% of the time here the wind is on-shore with a fetch of 80nm+. In
this case it was off-shore with a fetch of perhaps 3nm. It was
basically flat but breezey. f4-5, 5 in pic.


It doesn't look to me as if the boat is close hauled at all,
more like a broad reach.



I would settle for a close reach. The wind was from the south and the
coast runs SW. It was a broad reach on the way back. The boat was not
entirely under tight control on account of being single-handed with a
camera in one hand.


In this pic right here?
http://www.wareing.dircon.co.uk/images/Wicklow.jpg


So many pictures.. my mistake. I thought that was over when Joe hit
the bullseye. That is a Westerly GK29 with a slotted, winged keel.
Very stiff and sturdy. Not mine.

It looks to me like the wind is blowing R to L, obliquely
out of the pic; the boat is headed in almost the same
direction although the wake looks to be headed somewhat L to R.


Yes, nearly a run. The boat is very stiff and beamy but tends to slew
around in a sea. The skipper was sleeping at the time, I think.
Notice it is on autohelm Raymarine tiller pilot 4000?

The waves crests look like there is some weight in the wind
but not enough to put popcorn all over the upper part of the
waves.

The tide runs fast along there. The lobster pot buoys, which were
everywhere, are in twos with at least one of them dragged under by the
tide. Whatever wind you see in the water add 5kts to it for the tide.
The light is also dull. If the wind was against tide we would not have
gone.



Hard to say what the boat speed is since you can't see the
stern wave in the pic. I'd have guess less than 9 though, or
the track off the rudder would be more agitated.


Come on, be fair. It is 22ft., how many boats of this general type
plane to windward?

I wasn't trying to be insulting at all, just trying to make
an accurate guess. It's a fun game since we all know how
misleading pictures can be!

Sorry about the mix up..



.... The most I have done is 12.5kn. on a broad reach
but you get back quick under those conditions.


That's respectable for a 22 ft boat! Especially without a
spinnaker. If you got one, you could set up the wind vane to
steer while you played the chute!

I am lost without my Raymarine - ST-4000 Tiller Pilot. If you let the
tiller go it turns in a fraction of a second. I think it is because
the CG is behind the CE of the keel.

Believe me I tried with both the spinnaker and outboard! That is how I
blew it to bits! The answer is to reef in lots of wind.


Hmmm... sails look pretty good even if the rig is
unorthodox.... or does everybody in your part of the world
put the bow pulpit halfway up the fore deck?!


No, it is odd. It makes sense though for the design. It is a 30+? year
old boat by Ian Procter like this one:
http://www.naiadhome.com/presto.htm

Thanks for the info. I have seen/sailed a Newbridge
Navigator but none of their other boats. Your boat seems a
bit more performance oriented; Proctor did some great racing
dinghy one-designs.


Yes, I remember someone telling me he would leave me standing in a 28
footer. After I passed him he said it (my boat) was just a big dinghy!
Part true..


.... The big genoa wraps around the
outside of the hull http://www.wareing.dircon.co.uk/images/partial.jpg
(mine) closing the gap and increasing the effective aspect ratio.

I bet you could point higher if the sheeting was further
inboard....

Yep, 50deg. is about it for the genoa.

OTOH trying to point high in big waves is a
mug's game.

Exactly right. You need to be pushing *hull speed' to have some punch
left.

Prob'ly better the way you have it, for your
area ;)

It's an interesting boat and your set-up seems very
practical. A shame there aren't some like that around here.


Time to go.

Wind Speed Test # 2
 

On 2 Oct 2006 08:53:15 -0700, "Joe" wrote:

http://sports.webshots.com/photo/201...0063212926EKBr

Storm = force 10
You gave it away or were loose with your labels..

Wind Speed Test # 2
 

I think much higher...

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"katy" wrote in message
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Joe wrote:
Wind speed?

http://sports.webshots.com/photo/201...63212926EKBrOU

Joe







Scotty wrote:
OK, all you Internet sailor , expert wave / wind speed
predictors. For 10 points, tell me the wind speed in these
pics. Pics a1-4 are same time, different angles, one day,
pics b1-5 are same thing, different day. For 5 bonus points
name the exact heeling angle.

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/554469564MvWNTx

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30knots

Wind Speed Test # 2
 

Capt. JG wrote:
I think much higher...

You're right Jon.. How much higher?

Joe

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"katy" wrote in message
...
Joe wrote:
Wind speed?

http://sports.webshots.com/photo/201...63212926EKBrOU

Joe







Scotty wrote:
OK, all you Internet sailor , expert wave / wind speed
predictors. For 10 points, tell me the wind speed in these
pics. Pics a1-4 are same time, different angles, one day,
pics b1-5 are same thing, different day. For 5 bonus points
name the exact heeling angle.

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/554469564MvWNTx

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Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

30knots

Wind Speed Test # 2
 

Goofball_star_dot_etal wrote:
On 2 Oct 2006 08:53:15 -0700, "Joe" wrote:

http://sports.webshots.com/photo/201...0063212926EKBr

Storm = force 10
You gave it away or were loose with your labels..

Ahh... goofball here we look for wind speed in MPH or knots. Thats why
Scotty passed you on your force answer. Indeed it may be a force 10,
but what is the wind speed?, you can use thoses Kph numbers, I'll go
look at the speedometer on the car to calculate the proper MPH for you
if needed.

Joe

Wind Speed Test # 2
 

I'm guessing 70+

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"Joe" wrote in message
ps.com...

Capt. JG wrote:
I think much higher...

You're right Jon.. How much higher?

Joe

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"katy" wrote in message
...
Joe wrote:
Wind speed?

http://sports.webshots.com/photo/201...63212926EKBrOU

Joe







Scotty wrote:
OK, all you Internet sailor , expert wave / wind speed
predictors. For 10 points, tell me the wind speed in these
pics. Pics a1-4 are same time, different angles, one day,
pics b1-5 are same thing, different day. For 5 bonus points
name the exact heeling angle.

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/554469564MvWNTx

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Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

30knots