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Wind Speed Test # 1
OzOne scribbled thusly:
Pretty much......but then again...It's rarely under 15. Sounds like a great place for sailing, but do your guys do OK traveling to regattas where there is light air? Oh BTW when the seas are around 6'...you need a decent breeze.... Depends.... some folks like a challenge ;) DSK |
Wind Speed Test # 1
Goofball_star_dot_etal wrote:
90% of the time here the wind is on-shore with a fetch of 80nm+. In this case it was off-shore with a fetch of perhaps 3nm. It was basically flat but breezey. f4-5, 5 in pic. It doesn't look to me as if the boat is close hauled at all, more like a broad reach. I would settle for a close reach. The wind was from the south and the coast runs SW. It was a broad reach on the way back. The boat was not entirely under tight control on account of being single-handed with a camera in one hand. In this pic right here? http://www.wareing.dircon.co.uk/images/Wicklow.jpg It looks to me like the wind is blowing R to L, obliquely out of the pic; the boat is headed in almost the same direction although the wake looks to be headed somewhat L to R. The waves crests look like there is some weight in the wind but not enough to put popcorn all over the upper part of the waves. Hard to say what the boat speed is since you can't see the stern wave in the pic. I'd have guess less than 9 though, or the track off the rudder would be more agitated. Come on, be fair. It is 22ft., how many boats of this general type plane to windward? I wasn't trying to be insulting at all, just trying to make an accurate guess. It's a fun game since we all know how misleading pictures can be! .... The most I have done is 12.5kn. on a broad reach but you get back quick under those conditions. That's respectable for a 22 ft boat! Especially without a spinnaker. If you got one, you could set up the wind vane to steer while you played the chute! Hmmm... sails look pretty good even if the rig is unorthodox.... or does everybody in your part of the world put the bow pulpit halfway up the fore deck?! No, it is odd. It makes sense though for the design. It is a 30+? year old boat by Ian Procter like this one: http://www.naiadhome.com/presto.htm Thanks for the info. I have seen/sailed a Newbridge Navigator but none of their other boats. Your boat seems a bit more performance oriented; Proctor did some great racing dinghy one-designs. .... The big genoa wraps around the outside of the hull http://www.wareing.dircon.co.uk/images/partial.jpg (mine) closing the gap and increasing the effective aspect ratio. I bet you could point higher if the sheeting was further inboard.... OTOH trying to point high in big waves is a mug's game. Prob'ly better the way you have it, for your area ;) It's an interesting boat and your set-up seems very practical. A shame there aren't some like that around here. DSK |
Wind Speed Test # 2
Wind speed?
http://sports.webshots.com/photo/201...63212926EKBrOU Joe Scotty wrote: OK, all you Internet sailor , expert wave / wind speed predictors. For 10 points, tell me the wind speed in these pics. Pics a1-4 are same time, different angles, one day, pics b1-5 are same thing, different day. For 5 bonus points name the exact heeling angle. http://good-times.webshots.com/album/554469564MvWNTx -- Scott Vernon Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_ |
Wind Speed Test # 2
Joe wrote:
Wind speed? http://sports.webshots.com/photo/201...63212926EKBrOU Joe Scotty wrote: OK, all you Internet sailor , expert wave / wind speed predictors. For 10 points, tell me the wind speed in these pics. Pics a1-4 are same time, different angles, one day, pics b1-5 are same thing, different day. For 5 bonus points name the exact heeling angle. http://good-times.webshots.com/album/554469564MvWNTx -- Scott Vernon Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_ 30knots |
Wind Speed Test # 1
On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:13:20 -0400, DSK wrote:
Goofball_star_dot_etal wrote: 90% of the time here the wind is on-shore with a fetch of 80nm+. In this case it was off-shore with a fetch of perhaps 3nm. It was basically flat but breezey. f4-5, 5 in pic. It doesn't look to me as if the boat is close hauled at all, more like a broad reach. I would settle for a close reach. The wind was from the south and the coast runs SW. It was a broad reach on the way back. The boat was not entirely under tight control on account of being single-handed with a camera in one hand. In this pic right here? http://www.wareing.dircon.co.uk/images/Wicklow.jpg So many pictures.. my mistake. I thought that was over when Joe hit the bullseye. That is a Westerly GK29 with a slotted, winged keel. Very stiff and sturdy. Not mine. It looks to me like the wind is blowing R to L, obliquely out of the pic; the boat is headed in almost the same direction although the wake looks to be headed somewhat L to R. Yes, nearly a run. The boat is very stiff and beamy but tends to slew around in a sea. The skipper was sleeping at the time, I think. Notice it is on autohelm Raymarine tiller pilot 4000? The waves crests look like there is some weight in the wind but not enough to put popcorn all over the upper part of the waves. The tide runs fast along there. The lobster pot buoys, which were everywhere, are in twos with at least one of them dragged under by the tide. Whatever wind you see in the water add 5kts to it for the tide. The light is also dull. If the wind was against tide we would not have gone. Hard to say what the boat speed is since you can't see the stern wave in the pic. I'd have guess less than 9 though, or the track off the rudder would be more agitated. Come on, be fair. It is 22ft., how many boats of this general type plane to windward? I wasn't trying to be insulting at all, just trying to make an accurate guess. It's a fun game since we all know how misleading pictures can be! Sorry about the mix up.. .... The most I have done is 12.5kn. on a broad reach but you get back quick under those conditions. That's respectable for a 22 ft boat! Especially without a spinnaker. If you got one, you could set up the wind vane to steer while you played the chute! I am lost without my Raymarine - ST-4000 Tiller Pilot. If you let the tiller go it turns in a fraction of a second. I think it is because the CG is behind the CE of the keel. Believe me I tried with both the spinnaker and outboard! That is how I blew it to bits! The answer is to reef in lots of wind. Hmmm... sails look pretty good even if the rig is unorthodox.... or does everybody in your part of the world put the bow pulpit halfway up the fore deck?! No, it is odd. It makes sense though for the design. It is a 30+? year old boat by Ian Procter like this one: http://www.naiadhome.com/presto.htm Thanks for the info. I have seen/sailed a Newbridge Navigator but none of their other boats. Your boat seems a bit more performance oriented; Proctor did some great racing dinghy one-designs. Yes, I remember someone telling me he would leave me standing in a 28 footer. After I passed him he said it (my boat) was just a big dinghy! Part true.. .... The big genoa wraps around the outside of the hull http://www.wareing.dircon.co.uk/images/partial.jpg (mine) closing the gap and increasing the effective aspect ratio. I bet you could point higher if the sheeting was further inboard.... Yep, 50deg. is about it for the genoa. OTOH trying to point high in big waves is a mug's game. Exactly right. You need to be pushing *hull speed' to have some punch left. Prob'ly better the way you have it, for your area ;) It's an interesting boat and your set-up seems very practical. A shame there aren't some like that around here. Time to go. |
Wind Speed Test # 2
On 2 Oct 2006 08:53:15 -0700, "Joe" wrote:
http://sports.webshots.com/photo/201...0063212926EKBr Storm = force 10 You gave it away or were loose with your labels.. |
Wind Speed Test # 2
I think much higher...
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "katy" wrote in message ... Joe wrote: Wind speed? http://sports.webshots.com/photo/201...63212926EKBrOU Joe Scotty wrote: OK, all you Internet sailor , expert wave / wind speed predictors. For 10 points, tell me the wind speed in these pics. Pics a1-4 are same time, different angles, one day, pics b1-5 are same thing, different day. For 5 bonus points name the exact heeling angle. http://good-times.webshots.com/album/554469564MvWNTx -- Scott Vernon Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_ 30knots |
Wind Speed Test # 2
Capt. JG wrote: I think much higher... You're right Jon.. How much higher? Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "katy" wrote in message ... Joe wrote: Wind speed? http://sports.webshots.com/photo/201...63212926EKBrOU Joe Scotty wrote: OK, all you Internet sailor , expert wave / wind speed predictors. For 10 points, tell me the wind speed in these pics. Pics a1-4 are same time, different angles, one day, pics b1-5 are same thing, different day. For 5 bonus points name the exact heeling angle. http://good-times.webshots.com/album/554469564MvWNTx -- Scott Vernon Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_ 30knots |
Wind Speed Test # 2
Goofball_star_dot_etal wrote: On 2 Oct 2006 08:53:15 -0700, "Joe" wrote: http://sports.webshots.com/photo/201...0063212926EKBr Storm = force 10 You gave it away or were loose with your labels.. Ahh... goofball here we look for wind speed in MPH or knots. Thats why Scotty passed you on your force answer. Indeed it may be a force 10, but what is the wind speed?, you can use thoses Kph numbers, I'll go look at the speedometer on the car to calculate the proper MPH for you if needed. Joe |
Wind Speed Test # 2
I'm guessing 70+
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message ps.com... Capt. JG wrote: I think much higher... You're right Jon.. How much higher? Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "katy" wrote in message ... Joe wrote: Wind speed? http://sports.webshots.com/photo/201...63212926EKBrOU Joe Scotty wrote: OK, all you Internet sailor , expert wave / wind speed predictors. For 10 points, tell me the wind speed in these pics. Pics a1-4 are same time, different angles, one day, pics b1-5 are same thing, different day. For 5 bonus points name the exact heeling angle. http://good-times.webshots.com/album/554469564MvWNTx -- Scott Vernon Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_ 30knots |
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