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"Aliens Cause Global Warming"
"Walt" wrote in message ... Gilligan wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4604332.stm Where was the consensus? People who rely on consensus - other people's opinions - usually cannot think for themselves. Oh, you're just mad because the scientific evidence isn't corrorborating your preconceived opinions. No. Show me one computer model that has accurately simulated the climate for the past 200 years. Show me a computer model that predicts what the weather will be in 30 days. Science is about measurement, repeatability, understanding and prediction The evidence is overwhelmingly in my favor. There are millions of years of past climate changes. Look here at the chart of temperature vs CO2 for the last 750,000 years: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming Are you saying man caused at the warming spikes and sudden drops in the temperature and CO2 concentrations for the last 750,000 years? In fact, 10,000 years ago it was greater than it is today. That's fine. You can keep holding your opinions despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, and trolling through the interwebs looking for something/anything to bolster your faith-based notions. Michael Crichton, anyone? Surely a hack Sci-Fi novelist would be in a better position to know than an actual reasearch scientist who has to submit his assertions to a peer review process, right? So tell me - seriously - what exactly is my opinion? Meanwhile, those of us with a science/engineering background can read the peer-reviewed papers, listen to the scientists who have much more familiarity with the subject, evaluate the evidence, and draw the inevitable conclusions. Inevitable conclusions - is that similar to "preconcieved notions" Global warming is sort of like the link between cigarette smoking and cancer - it took a decade or two to go from conjecture to hypothesis to consensus theory. Sure, there are still those who deny the link, but they're mostly paid shills for the tobacco companies and kooks on the intertubes. Likewise, when the global warming studies first came out in the early 80's any reasonable person would have been skeptical. I certainly was. By the mid-ninties it was more than just hypothesis, and today the evidence is basically irrefutable. Except for a few paid shills for the energy companies, some non-scientist bloviators and a large quantity of their ignorant followers, the verdict is in. NOAA: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globa...paleolast.html Here's raw data for the last 1,000 years: ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/pal...al-4_12_01.txt Go over the Solar Beryllium 10 concentrations. You know what that indicates or do you need it explained? What is your conclusion about the data? Do you know what NOAA is? So sorry that you're on the losing side, but them's the breaks. (Actually, I wish you were right. But wishing won't make it so.) No, I don't expect to convince you of anything, Glen. You've clearly made up your mind. But I can point out to others that what you say is crap. You can only prove it is crap with logic, reason and fact. When are you going to get around to producing some of this? Instead rely on basic physical laws and measurable, repeatable experiments reduced to the fundamentals. So you don't believe in plate techtonics either, eh? So that's your use of logic? 'Cause that's never been repeated in a laboratory. Measured by GPS and reproduced in the lab. The geological evidence is very strong too, ridges, rifts, mountain ranges. The thin spots in the earth's mantle below Hawaii and Yellowstone clearly show the drift. Seismic analysis also show plates floating. You have a funny narrow idea of what constitutes science. I think you do. "This first thing a scientist does is work to disprove a new theory." Just doing my job. Come back when you have some numbers (measured data or a validated model ) that shows the sun is not warming (increasing its output) or the sun is not the major cause of global warming. Or simply show that CO2 levels are historically (show about one million years of data) a leading indicator for temperature rise. You can't and you won't. You will simply parrot the phrase "There's a consensus". Famous last words of many civilizations. |
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"Aliens Cause Global Warming"
Gilligan wrote:
irrelevant crap snipped People who rely on consensus - other people's opinions - usually cannot think for themselves. You will simply parrot the phrase "There's a consensus". Famous last words of many civilizations. You seem to be going back and forth between "there is no consensus" and "the consensus is wrong" Which is it, Glen? Please make up your mind which way you want to argue this. It will save us all a lot of time. //Walt |
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