OzOne wrote:
On 25 Sep 2006 17:57:21 -0700, "Peter"
scribbled thusly:


Maxprop wrote:
What can you tell me about Larry Ellison's boat Sayonnara? I'm told he
raced it in the Hobart the year so many died. Any knowledge about that?

I was looking it over rather thoroughly today. It's in storage in a
building in Holland, MI, waiting for who knows what. Sure is a big *******.

I saw it when it got into Hobart in 1998. Yep it's a big *******. IIRC
he took line honours & swore he'd never do that race again.

PDW

My understanding is that he was totally disabled by seasickness and
fear after the storm hit, and yes, he did say that he would never do
that race again despite surviving and taking line honours.

I don't hold that in any way against the man, I know of a dozen or
more who gave up distance ocean racing after their experiences in '98.
One, a yachtsman of world renown has not sailed outside Sydney Heads
since if my memory serves me well.


Geeeze, what a bunch of pussies.

But that shows you many men who can afford Hoybart yachts are lubber's
to start with, who bought thier way to sea. To bad not many real
sailors can afford 60 ft ocean sleads.

Joe




Don't recall Ellison ever coming back here.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Joe wrote:
OzOne wrote:
On 25 Sep 2006 17:57:21 -0700, "Peter"
scribbled thusly:


Maxprop wrote:
What can you tell me about Larry Ellison's boat Sayonnara? I'm told he
raced it in the Hobart the year so many died. Any knowledge about that?

I was looking it over rather thoroughly today. It's in storage in a
building in Holland, MI, waiting for who knows what. Sure is a big *******.

I saw it when it got into Hobart in 1998. Yep it's a big *******. IIRC
he took line honours & swore he'd never do that race again.

PDW

My understanding is that he was totally disabled by seasickness and
fear after the storm hit, and yes, he did say that he would never do
that race again despite surviving and taking line honours.

I don't hold that in any way against the man, I know of a dozen or
more who gave up distance ocean racing after their experiences in '98.
One, a yachtsman of world renown has not sailed outside Sydney Heads
since if my memory serves me well.


Geeeze, what a bunch of pussies.

But that shows you many men who can afford Hoybart yachts are lubber's
to start with, who bought thier way to sea. To bad not many real
sailors can afford 60 ft ocean sleads.

Nothing stopping you having a go, Joe. You won't win line honours but
you might win on handicap in your boat. Go for it in 2008/9 and I'll
buy you a beer. Next year I won't be here when the fleet gets in.

PDW

Peter wrote:
Joe wrote:
OzOne wrote:
On 25 Sep 2006 17:57:21 -0700, "Peter"
scribbled thusly:


Maxprop wrote:
What can you tell me about Larry Ellison's boat Sayonnara? I'm told he
raced it in the Hobart the year so many died. Any knowledge about that?

I was looking it over rather thoroughly today. It's in storage in a
building in Holland, MI, waiting for who knows what. Sure is a big *******.

I saw it when it got into Hobart in 1998. Yep it's a big *******. IIRC
he took line honours & swore he'd never do that race again.

PDW

My understanding is that he was totally disabled by seasickness and
fear after the storm hit, and yes, he did say that he would never do
that race again despite surviving and taking line honours.

I don't hold that in any way against the man, I know of a dozen or
more who gave up distance ocean racing after their experiences in '98.
One, a yachtsman of world renown has not sailed outside Sydney Heads
since if my memory serves me well.


Geeeze, what a bunch of pussies.

But that shows you many men who can afford Hoybart yachts are lubber's
to start with, who bought thier way to sea. To bad not many real
sailors can afford 60 ft ocean sleads.

Nothing stopping you having a go, Joe. You won't win line honours but
you might win on handicap in your boat. Go for it in 2008/9 and I'll
buy you a beer. Next year I won't be here when the fleet gets in.

PDW

Ya find me a 60 ft sled and Ill buy me own ticket peter, I'm not skeerd
in the least.
If you do, and she a proper sled I'll win the race.

Joe

Joe wrote:
Peter wrote:
Joe wrote:
OzOne wrote:
On 25 Sep 2006 17:57:21 -0700, "Peter"
scribbled thusly:


Maxprop wrote:
What can you tell me about Larry Ellison's boat Sayonnara? I'm told he
raced it in the Hobart the year so many died. Any knowledge about that?

I was looking it over rather thoroughly today. It's in storage in a
building in Holland, MI, waiting for who knows what. Sure is a big *******.

I saw it when it got into Hobart in 1998. Yep it's a big *******. IIRC
he took line honours & swore he'd never do that race again.

PDW

My understanding is that he was totally disabled by seasickness and
fear after the storm hit, and yes, he did say that he would never do
that race again despite surviving and taking line honours.

I don't hold that in any way against the man, I know of a dozen or
more who gave up distance ocean racing after their experiences in '98.
One, a yachtsman of world renown has not sailed outside Sydney Heads
since if my memory serves me well.


Geeeze, what a bunch of pussies.

But that shows you many men who can afford Hoybart yachts are lubber's
to start with, who bought thier way to sea. To bad not many real
sailors can afford 60 ft ocean sleads.

Nothing stopping you having a go, Joe. You won't win line honours but
you might win on handicap in your boat. Go for it in 2008/9 and I'll
buy you a beer. Next year I won't be here when the fleet gets in.

PDW

Ya find me a 60 ft sled and Ill buy me own ticket peter, I'm not skeerd
in the least.
If you do, and she a proper sled I'll win the race.

Borrow Ellison's. Maxprop said he's not using it ATM. There ya go, I've
solved your sled probs. See you when you get here....

PDW

Peter wrote:
Joe wrote:
Peter wrote:
Joe wrote:
OzOne wrote:
On 25 Sep 2006 17:57:21 -0700, "Peter"
scribbled thusly:


Maxprop wrote:
What can you tell me about Larry Ellison's boat Sayonnara? I'm told he
raced it in the Hobart the year so many died. Any knowledge about that?

I was looking it over rather thoroughly today. It's in storage in a
building in Holland, MI, waiting for who knows what. Sure is a big *******.

I saw it when it got into Hobart in 1998. Yep it's a big *******. IIRC
he took line honours & swore he'd never do that race again.

PDW

My understanding is that he was totally disabled by seasickness and
fear after the storm hit, and yes, he did say that he would never do
that race again despite surviving and taking line honours.

I don't hold that in any way against the man, I know of a dozen or
more who gave up distance ocean racing after their experiences in '98.
One, a yachtsman of world renown has not sailed outside Sydney Heads
since if my memory serves me well.


Geeeze, what a bunch of pussies.

But that shows you many men who can afford Hoybart yachts are lubber's
to start with, who bought thier way to sea. To bad not many real
sailors can afford 60 ft ocean sleads.

Nothing stopping you having a go, Joe. You won't win line honours but
you might win on handicap in your boat. Go for it in 2008/9 and I'll
buy you a beer. Next year I won't be here when the fleet gets in.

PDW

Ya find me a 60 ft sled and Ill buy me own ticket peter, I'm not skeerd
in the least.
If you do, and she a proper sled I'll win the race.

Borrow Ellison's. Maxprop said he's not using it ATM. There ya go, I've
solved your sled probs. See you when you get here....


Ill give Larry a call tomorrow. He called the other day saying he was
going to have to sell Rising Sun due to that insider trading problem,
so maybe Ill be kind enough to take his sled off his hands. I'll let
you know. If he's willing to put er in the water fixed up and ready to
go then Ill be there.

Joe


PDW

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Joe wrote:
Peter wrote:
Joe wrote:
OzOne wrote:
On 25 Sep 2006 17:57:21 -0700, "Peter"
scribbled thusly:


Maxprop wrote:
What can you tell me about Larry Ellison's boat Sayonnara? I'm
told he
raced it in the Hobart the year so many died. Any knowledge
about that?

I was looking it over rather thoroughly today. It's in storage
in a
building in Holland, MI, waiting for who knows what. Sure is a
big *******.

I saw it when it got into Hobart in 1998. Yep it's a big *******.
IIRC
he took line honours & swore he'd never do that race again.

PDW

My understanding is that he was totally disabled by seasickness and
fear after the storm hit, and yes, he did say that he would never
do
that race again despite surviving and taking line honours.

I don't hold that in any way against the man, I know of a dozen or
more who gave up distance ocean racing after their experiences in
'98.
One, a yachtsman of world renown has not sailed outside Sydney
Heads
since if my memory serves me well.


Geeeze, what a bunch of pussies.

But that shows you many men who can afford Hoybart yachts are
lubber's
to start with, who bought thier way to sea. To bad not many real
sailors can afford 60 ft ocean sleads.

Nothing stopping you having a go, Joe. You won't win line honours but
you might win on handicap in your boat. Go for it in 2008/9 and I'll
buy you a beer. Next year I won't be here when the fleet gets in.

PDW

Ya find me a 60 ft sled and Ill buy me own ticket peter, I'm not skeerd
in the least.
If you do, and she a proper sled I'll win the race.

Borrow Ellison's. Maxprop said he's not using it ATM. There ya go, I've
solved your sled probs. See you when you get here....

Hell, I'll help you get it on the trailer, Joe.

You couldn't pay me enough to do the Sydney-Hobart.

Max

It is a romantic sport... not carried out against the
elements, but because of them.

SG

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OzOne wrote:
On 25 Sep 2006 17:57:21 -0700, "Peter"
scribbled thusly:


Maxprop wrote:
What can you tell me about Larry Ellison's boat Sayonnara? I'm told
he
raced it in the Hobart the year so many died. Any knowledge about
that?

I was looking it over rather thoroughly today. It's in storage in a
building in Holland, MI, waiting for who knows what. Sure is a big
*******.

I saw it when it got into Hobart in 1998. Yep it's a big *******. IIRC
he took line honours & swore he'd never do that race again.

PDW

My understanding is that he was totally disabled by seasickness and
fear after the storm hit, and yes, he did say that he would never do
that race again despite surviving and taking line honours.

I don't hold that in any way against the man, I know of a dozen or
more who gave up distance ocean racing after their experiences in '98.
One, a yachtsman of world renown has not sailed outside Sydney Heads
since if my memory serves me well.


Geeeze, what a bunch of pussies.

Heh . . . big talk from one who never spent what must have felt like a
fortnight in monstrous waves and hurricane-force winds.

Max

Maxprop wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
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OzOne wrote:
On 25 Sep 2006 17:57:21 -0700, "Peter"
scribbled thusly:


Maxprop wrote:
What can you tell me about Larry Ellison's boat Sayonnara? I'm told
he
raced it in the Hobart the year so many died. Any knowledge about
that?

I was looking it over rather thoroughly today. It's in storage in a
building in Holland, MI, waiting for who knows what. Sure is a big
*******.

I saw it when it got into Hobart in 1998. Yep it's a big *******. IIRC
he took line honours & swore he'd never do that race again.

PDW

My understanding is that he was totally disabled by seasickness and
fear after the storm hit, and yes, he did say that he would never do
that race again despite surviving and taking line honours.

I don't hold that in any way against the man, I know of a dozen or
more who gave up distance ocean racing after their experiences in '98.
One, a yachtsman of world renown has not sailed outside Sydney Heads
since if my memory serves me well.


Geeeze, what a bunch of pussies.

Heh . . . big talk from one who never spent what must have felt like a
fortnight in monstrous waves and hurricane-force winds.

Max

Max, I have been in several hurricanes at sea. 2 in the gulf and one in
the south China Sea. The one's in the gulf was on a standby boat. The
seas got so bad we had life rings washed of the bridge wings and
tangled in the mast approx 50-60 ftrs. The hurricane formed right
around us. Other time on a 32 ft Layfetta Skiff. Took us 4 hrs to get
out and 26 to get back in.. seas 25-40 ft. The worst by far was in the
South China sea with waves in the 60-80 ft class, same storm that the
fellow was killed on the tug trying to pull our ship away from the
dock. While delivering a boat to Wick Scottland we were hit by a rogue
in the north sea, normal waves were 30+ ft the rougue was around 60ft
and tore a 30 ft weld and moved the wheelhouse back 2 inches and blew
in every window. One of the wildest night ever was evacuating a rig 110
miles offshore, we had to wait to the last min for 5 guys to decide to
shut down the rig, we had 20fts off the stern all the way in, that boat
was screaming and surfing like you could not even imagine. Terry(my
wife) rode out Hurricane alicia on a 60 ft shrimpboat that had every
port and window smashed in with every wave putting at least a ft of
water in the wheelhose, waves in the 40 -60 ft range.

Joe

"Joe" wrote in message
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Maxprop wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
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OzOne wrote:
On 25 Sep 2006 17:57:21 -0700, "Peter"
scribbled thusly:


Maxprop wrote:
What can you tell me about Larry Ellison's boat Sayonnara? I'm
told
he
raced it in the Hobart the year so many died. Any knowledge about
that?

I was looking it over rather thoroughly today. It's in storage in
a
building in Holland, MI, waiting for who knows what. Sure is a big
*******.

I saw it when it got into Hobart in 1998. Yep it's a big *******.
IIRC
he took line honours & swore he'd never do that race again.

PDW

My understanding is that he was totally disabled by seasickness and
fear after the storm hit, and yes, he did say that he would never do
that race again despite surviving and taking line honours.

I don't hold that in any way against the man, I know of a dozen or
more who gave up distance ocean racing after their experiences in '98.
One, a yachtsman of world renown has not sailed outside Sydney Heads
since if my memory serves me well.


Geeeze, what a bunch of pussies.

Heh . . . big talk from one who never spent what must have felt like a
fortnight in monstrous waves and hurricane-force winds.

Max

Max, I have been in several hurricanes at sea. 2 in the gulf and one in
the south China Sea. The one's in the gulf was on a standby boat. The
seas got so bad we had life rings washed of the bridge wings and
tangled in the mast approx 50-60 ftrs. The hurricane formed right
around us. Other time on a 32 ft Layfetta Skiff. Took us 4 hrs to get
out and 26 to get back in.. seas 25-40 ft. The worst by far was in the
South China sea with waves in the 60-80 ft class, same storm that the
fellow was killed on the tug trying to pull our ship away from the
dock. While delivering a boat to Wick Scottland we were hit by a rogue
in the north sea, normal waves were 30+ ft the rougue was around 60ft
and tore a 30 ft weld and moved the wheelhouse back 2 inches and blew
in every window. One of the wildest night ever was evacuating a rig 110
miles offshore, we had to wait to the last min for 5 guys to decide to
shut down the rig, we had 20fts off the stern all the way in, that boat
was screaming and surfing like you could not even imagine. Terry(my
wife) rode out Hurricane alicia on a 60 ft shrimpboat that had every
port and window smashed in with every wave putting at least a ft of
water in the wheelhose, waves in the 40 -60 ft range.

I'm not aware of the type and configuration of all the boats you mention.
But I'm betting none were lightly-built (underbuilt), overcanvased maxi
racers, or anything similar. I've been through hurricane-force winds and
very closely-spaced seas of 30' or more on a 767' bulk freighter (sistership
to the ill-fated Edmund Fitzgerald), but never felt that my life was in
jeopardy. Larry Ellison commented in a post-race interview that he thought,
once or twice, that he and his crew might actually survive the '98 Hobart
while they were in the midst of the storm. By converse reasoning it would
appear that he was convinced that his life was over, at least a portion of
the time. I'm sure that would be a most depressing revelation.

Max