wrote:
So you don't know the answer????

So you are an idiot and don't know Usenet protocol of clipping and
responding on the aft? When will you ever learn, if not now?

LP (thinking everyone who top-posts is an idiot!)



OzOne wrote:
On 18 Sep 2006 19:38:30 -0700, scribbled
thusly:

You just aquired a Hobie 17. This boat does not
have a jib--just a mains'l. The fellow who gave it
to you compained he could not tack the boat.

What was he likely doing wrong?

He was sailing it like a mono

What is the best way to tack the boat?

Like a multi!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

It's so nice that you & Donal are so close.

PDW

Lady Pilot wrote:
wrote:
So you don't know the answer????

So you are an idiot and don't know Usenet protocol of clipping and
responding on the aft? When will you ever learn, if not now?

LP (thinking everyone who top-posts is an idiot!)



OzOne wrote:
On 18 Sep 2006 19:38:30 -0700, scribbled
thusly:

You just aquired a Hobie 17. This boat does not
have a jib--just a mains'l. The fellow who gave it
to you compained he could not tack the boat.

What was he likely doing wrong?

He was sailing it like a mono

What is the best way to tack the boat?

Like a multi!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Peter,
Take it from a H17 owner - these are a pain to tack w/o a jib. A
couple of the people got it basically right. The key is to ease the
main as you come head to wind. The windage is high on these boats and
the mass of the craft is low so it slows down real fast when pointing
into the wind. Also the center of effort is well aft so the boat will
'weather vane' dead into the wind if you don't ease the main.

My technique was to:

1: keep the mail close hauled as you head up into the wind
2: release the main as you come through the wind. I like to 'help' the
main ease out as the boat rounds over to the new tack but don't
backwind the sail
3: fall off to a close reach
4: gradually sheet in the main. The boat will point up as you do this
(no matter what you do with the rudders) - the sail has more influence
on headding as these low boat speeds
5: as boat speed increases the rudders will bite again and if you
played it right you will now be on your desired close hauled course.

Just remember that in an H17 w/o a jib that at low boat speeds that the
main will be the more importand 'rudder'

Easy enough, right?

After 5 years perfecting my tacks on my H17 I installed a jib kit
this year. Once the challenge is gone tacking a H17 w/o a jib is just
a pain.

Enjoy learning a new style of sailing

Bill

Good answer Bill. This is, I'm sure what happend to the
prior owner of my recently acquired Hobie 17.

He also could not right it by himself--at 150 pounds he
claimed he was not big enough. And he had difficulty launching
the boat by himself.

wrote

Peter,
Take it from a H17 owner - these are a pain to tack w/o a jib. A
couple of the people got it basically right. The key is to ease the
main as you come head to wind. The windage is high on these boats and
the mass of the craft is low so it slows down real fast when pointing
into the wind. Also the center of effort is well aft so the boat will
'weather vane' dead into the wind if you don't ease the main.

My technique was to:

1: keep the mail close hauled as you head up into the wind
2: release the main as you come through the wind. I like to 'help' the
main ease out as the boat rounds over to the new tack but don't
backwind the sail
3: fall off to a close reach
4: gradually sheet in the main. The boat will point up as you do this
(no matter what you do with the rudders) - the sail has more influence
on headding as these low boat speeds
5: as boat speed increases the rudders will bite again and if you
played it right you will now be on your desired close hauled course.

Just remember that in an H17 w/o a jib that at low boat speeds that the
main will be the more importand 'rudder'

I can get my H17 up with just body weight most days but it can take
some time especially in a stiff brease. Bringing the boat into the
correct orientation to the wind takes some time and a few mis-judgments
will leave you quite tired. So, I got a righting bag to ensure that I
have enough weight to right the boat. Just a little insurance for this
single-handed cat. I recommend that anyone that sails a cat of this
size single-handed get one.


Bart Senior wrote:
Good answer Bill. This is, I'm sure what happend to the
prior owner of my recently acquired Hobie 17.

He also could not right it by himself--at 150 pounds he
claimed he was not big enough. And he had difficulty launching
the boat by himself.

wrote

Peter,
Take it from a H17 owner - these are a pain to tack w/o a jib. A
couple of the people got it basically right. The key is to ease the
main as you come head to wind. The windage is high on these boats and
the mass of the craft is low so it slows down real fast when pointing
into the wind. Also the center of effort is well aft so the boat will
'weather vane' dead into the wind if you don't ease the main.

My technique was to:

1: keep the mail close hauled as you head up into the wind
2: release the main as you come through the wind. I like to 'help' the
main ease out as the boat rounds over to the new tack but don't
backwind the sail
3: fall off to a close reach
4: gradually sheet in the main. The boat will point up as you do this
(no matter what you do with the rudders) - the sail has more influence
on headding as these low boat speeds
5: as boat speed increases the rudders will bite again and if you
played it right you will now be on your desired close hauled course.

Just remember that in an H17 w/o a jib that at low boat speeds that the
main will be the more importand 'rudder'

Thanks for the info Bill.

Bill wrote:
I can get my H17 up with just body weight most days but it can take
some time especially in a stiff brease. Bringing the boat into the
correct orientation to the wind takes some time and a few mis-judgments
will leave you quite tired. So, I got a righting bag to ensure that I
have enough weight to right the boat. Just a little insurance for this
single-handed cat. I recommend that anyone that sails a cat of this
size single-handed get one.

What is a righting bag?

Scotty, former H-14 sailor.


"Bill" wrote in message
oups.com..
..
I can get my H17 up with just body weight most days but it
can take
some time especially in a stiff brease. Bringing the boat
into the
correct orientation to the wind takes some time and a few
mis-judgments
will leave you quite tired. So, I got a righting bag to
ensure that I
have enough weight to right the boat. Just a little
insurance for this
single-handed cat. I recommend that anyone that sails a
cat of this
size single-handed get one.


Bart Senior wrote:
Good answer Bill. This is, I'm sure what happend to the
prior owner of my recently acquired Hobie 17.

He also could not right it by himself--at 150 pounds he
claimed he was not big enough. And he had difficulty
launching
the boat by himself.

wrote

Peter,
Take it from a H17 owner - these are a pain to tack
w/o a jib. A
couple of the people got it basically right. The key
is to ease the
main as you come head to wind. The windage is high on
these boats and
the mass of the craft is low so it slows down real
fast when pointing
into the wind. Also the center of effort is well aft
so the boat will
'weather vane' dead into the wind if you don't ease
the main.

My technique was to:

1: keep the mail close hauled as you head up into the
wind
2: release the main as you come through the wind. I
like to 'help' the
main ease out as the boat rounds over to the new tack
but don't
backwind the sail
3: fall off to a close reach
4: gradually sheet in the main. The boat will point
up as you do this
(no matter what you do with the rudders) - the sail
has more influence
on headding as these low boat speeds
5: as boat speed increases the rudders will bite again
and if you
played it right you will now be on your desired close
hauled course.

Just remember that in an H17 w/o a jib that at low
boat speeds that the
main will be the more importand 'rudder'

Scotty instead of me explaining here's a link to the page in the
murrays catalog. I have the one in the upper left.

http://murrays.com/archive/36-37.pdf


Scotty wrote:
What is a righting bag?

Scotty, former H-14 sailor.


"Bill" wrote in message
oups.com..
.
I can get my H17 up with just body weight most days but it
can take
some time especially in a stiff brease. Bringing the boat
into the
correct orientation to the wind takes some time and a few
mis-judgments
will leave you quite tired. So, I got a righting bag to
ensure that I
have enough weight to right the boat. Just a little
insurance for this
single-handed cat. I recommend that anyone that sails a
cat of this
size single-handed get one.


Bart Senior wrote:
Good answer Bill. This is, I'm sure what happend to the
prior owner of my recently acquired Hobie 17.

He also could not right it by himself--at 150 pounds he
claimed he was not big enough. And he had difficulty
launching
the boat by himself.

wrote

Peter,
Take it from a H17 owner - these are a pain to tack
w/o a jib. A
couple of the people got it basically right. The key
is to ease the
main as you come head to wind. The windage is high on
these boats and
the mass of the craft is low so it slows down real
fast when pointing
into the wind. Also the center of effort is well aft
so the boat will
'weather vane' dead into the wind if you don't ease
the main.

My technique was to:

1: keep the mail close hauled as you head up into the
wind
2: release the main as you come through the wind. I
like to 'help' the
main ease out as the boat rounds over to the new tack
but don't
backwind the sail
3: fall off to a close reach
4: gradually sheet in the main. The boat will point
up as you do this
(no matter what you do with the rudders) - the sail
has more influence
on headding as these low boat speeds
5: as boat speed increases the rudders will bite again
and if you
played it right you will now be on your desired close
hauled course.

Just remember that in an H17 w/o a jib that at low
boat speeds that the
main will be the more importand 'rudder'