Stunning Sail
 

What can I say...beautiful weather...we sailed for most of the day and
Thomas napped and played and generally had a great time. He's taken to
standing on the bottom of the wheel and riding it while we sail. No
pics today...I left the memory card in the computer!!!


RB
35s5
NY

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Nutsy,

Doesn't that top of the world of cameras have any "Internal Memory?"




http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

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Doesn't that top of the world of cameras have any "Internal Memory?"




Yeah, the little Pentax does, but I just didn't bother with the few
shots it allows. Lots more sailing tomorrow anyway, and with more crew
which makes it far easier to take pics.


RB
35s5
NY

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...

Doesn't that top of the world of cameras have any
"Internal Memory?"




Yeah, the little Pentax does, but I just didn't bother
with the few
shots it allows. Lots more sailing tomorrow anyway, and
with more crew
which makes it far easier to take pics.


Which little Pentax do you have?

SBV

Stunning Sail
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
What can I say...beautiful weather...we sailed for most of the day and
Thomas napped and played and generally had a great time. He's taken to
standing on the bottom of the wheel and riding it while we sail. No
pics today...I left the memory card in the computer!!!


RB
35s5
NY

I Too had a stunning sail today, Just Skipper and I on my dink
"Tomahawk"

Winds were in the 29-33 knot range, caught some nice gusts as the sun
rose. Quite a few boats were out. We sailed side by side with an open
60
for a while and he was surprised that we stayed with him for 2 hrs
on a close reach... I had no doubt we could stay neck in neck as long
as I desired.

Skipper is really enjoying himself on board, often balancing on the
tiller bar and barking at the gulls.... my poloroid instamatic was out
of film..sorry no pictures.

Joe

Stunning Sail
 

Thanks for sparing us yet another set of mediocre photographs.

Next time you want a sunset photo get the sail and boat out of the way.

Learn to use the camera in modes other than automatic and for God's sake use
some creativity. How many pictures can one take of people sitting in a
cramped cockpit? At least some of the Ghost girls had nice legs or large
breasts.

Why not show us some art? Obviously the camera is not the limitation here.
Have you no artistic sense? No creativity?

One cannot purchase talent.

Stunning Sail
 

Thanks for sparing us yet another set of mediocre photographs.


Compared to yours?


Next time you want a sunset photo get the sail and boat out of the
way.


Why? We like our boat.


Learn to use the camera in modes other than automatic

You mean we should use the Casio in manual mode?


and for God's sake use
some creativity. How many pictures can one take of people sitting


The "people" who sail with us tend to want those and they also provide
excellent troll bate. Don't you agree?


Hmmmm!


RB
35s5
NY

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which makes it far easier to take pics.



Which little Pentax do you have?



Here's what I have at this moment....


Pentax S5i....best AF system around
Casio Z120....same AF system, higher MP

Only a handful of cameras on the market can focus as well as these
units above...a little secret many people don't know!
I've been using those on board, but I'll soon be trying the D70 and D80
on board as well.

Hope this helps.

Stunning Sail
 

Art with a Holga:

http://www.geocities.com/gheedon/Holga/

No glass, just all plastic.

Stunning Sail
 

http://www.argonauta.com/html/holga_cameras.htm

$15!!!!!!

Art!!!!

Stunning Sail
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
What can I say...beautiful weather...we sailed for most of the day and
Thomas napped and played and generally had a great time. He's taken to
standing on the bottom of the wheel and riding it while we sail. No
pics today...I left the memory card in the computer!!!

For a moment I thought you had rigged s Stuns'l on your boat, but
nothing so interesting.

I had a fun sail yesterday - I took my daughter to the river with
intentions of taking out a Rhodes 19, but they were all in use. We
settled on a small 12 foot dinghy. Since it was puffy (5-20+ knots)
and shifty (W-NE), I was a tad apprehensive, but all the old reflexes
came back once we left the dock.

Sorry, no pics; the OptioWP was in my pocket but I was too busy to
take it out!

Stunning Sail
 

Sorry, no pics; the OptioWP was in my pocket but I was too busy to
take it out!


Good little camera...I must pick one up soon and leave the others home.



RB
35s5
NY

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...

Sorry, no pics; the OptioWP was in my pocket but I was too
busy to
take it out!


Good little camera...I must pick one up soon and leave the
others home.


What do you think of the Sony DSC S500? Nikon 5600? Nikon
L3?

SBV

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What do you think of the Sony DSC S500? Nikon 5600? Nikon
L3?



I have not tried the low-end 6mp Sony. Some sonys have focus issues in
dim light while others do better. I wouldn't but one without trying it
first or seeing a lot of reviews.
Please don't buy the Nikon Coolpix line. They have the worst auto focus
module going. They are all quite poor in dim light and only mediocre in
most other conditions. They are also fragile. I just used a Nikon S5
and it died after a minor bump. Before it died it had a typical AF
failure rate for Nikon...awful unit. Nikon makes great DSLRs and
terrible P&S cameras.
Casio/Pentax is probably the best pick along with Fuji.

The Casio Z120 is excellent and cheap to buy. It's Pentax version is
more pricey...but no different.


RB

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Capt. Rob wrote:
What do you think of the Sony DSC S500? Nikon 5600? Nikon
L3?



I have not tried the low-end 6mp Sony. Some sonys have focus issues in
dim light while others do better. I wouldn't but one without trying it
first or seeing a lot of reviews.
Please don't buy the Nikon Coolpix line. They have the worst auto focus
module going. They are all quite poor in dim light and only mediocre in
most other conditions.

They are also fragile. I just used a Nikon S5
and it died after a minor bump. Before it died it had a typical AF
failure rate for Nikon...awful unit. Nikon makes great DSLRs and
terrible P&S cameras.
Casio/Pentax is probably the best pick along with Fuji.

The Casio Z120 is excellent and cheap to buy. It's Pentax version is
more pricey...but no different.


RB

What do you think of the Canon FTb?

Joe

Stunning Sail
 

What do you think of the Canon FTb?



I love those Canons...and I still won't sell my Canon Canonette
rangefinder for that very reason. It works just fine with a dead
battery!


RB

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com..
..

What do you think of the Sony DSC S500? Nikon 5600?
Nikon
L3?



I have not tried the low-end 6mp Sony. Some sonys have
focus issues in
dim light while others do better. I wouldn't but one
without trying it
first or seeing a lot of reviews.
Please don't buy the Nikon Coolpix line. They have the
worst auto focus
module going. They are all quite poor in dim light and
only mediocre in
most other conditions. They are also fragile. I just used
a Nikon S5
and it died after a minor bump. Before it died it had a
typical AF
failure rate for Nikon...awful unit. Nikon makes great
DSLRs and
terrible P&S cameras.
Casio/Pentax is probably the best pick along with Fuji.

The Casio Z120 is excellent and cheap to buy. It's Pentax
version is
more pricey...but no different.


the Sony W5 has great reviews. The S500 seems too new for
reviews?
Casio is too expensive. I have to stay under $200. That's
what my monthly boat payments were before it got repo'ed.

SBV

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I believe that Ansel Adams used a cheap instamatic camera in his career.
It's not the camera, even pin hole cameras which cost practically nothing
can take fantastic pictures. It's the photographer.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
. ..
http://www.argonauta.com/html/holga_cameras.htm

$15!!!!!!

Art!!!!

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the Sony W5 has great reviews. The S500 seems too new for
reviews?
Casio is too expensive. I have to stay under $200. That's
what my monthly boat payments were before it got repo'ed.


Scotty, you can get the Casio Z120 from places like J&R for 219.00 and
cheaper if you hunt around. The Casio Z60 is also around the same price
at Circuit City. The Z120 may be better for you because it'll take
standard AA batteries...way cheaper to use.
The Z60 is nice in black....

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=424559&is=REG


RB

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...

the Sony W5 has great reviews. The S500 seems too new for
reviews?
Casio is too expensive. I have to stay under $200. That's
what my monthly boat payments were before it got repo'ed.



Scotty, you can get the Casio Z120 from places like J&R
for 219.00 and
cheaper if you hunt around. The Casio Z60 is also around
the same price
at Circuit City. The Z120 may be better for you because
it'll take
standard AA batteries...way cheaper to use.
The Z60 is nice in black....


http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...e?O=cart&A=det
ails&Q=&sku=424559&is=REG

CC has the black Z60 for $206, w/ 1GB memory card. The only
question is the battery.

You think the Z60 is better than a Sony W7 or W 5?


SBV

Stunning Sail
 

You think the Z60 is better than a Sony W7 or W 5?



The W5 and W7 are two of the Sony units I know have poor focusing when
the light is not bright. If you only intend on using them outdoors,
then they would be fine. I also take issue with Sony stuff at times
because it can break...seems more delicate than some other brands.
Sounds silly, but you can look up the W5 on Amazon and read the
customer reviews. Some time ago I remember too many people agreeing the
focus was a weak point. Some of this is operator error of course. But I
tried a W5 and got blurry shots as well because it could not lock focus
indoors very well. The Sony L1 was far better.
Your expectations are what's important here.


RB

Stunning Sail
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
Sorry, no pics; the OptioWP was in my pocket but I was too busy to
take it out!


Good little camera...I must pick one up soon and leave the others home.

I love the bulletproof nature of the OptioWP. I can slip it in my
pocket and not worry if I hop in the kayak of get splashed in a dink.
Its waterproof to 5 feet and has no external moving parts, so it's
also sand proof, etc. It definitely wins in "the camera that takes
the best picture is the one you brought with you" department.

However, I've been disappointed in the quality of the pics in
demanding situations. There is no viewfinder and the screen is washed
out by bright light. There have been times that I've just held it up
and hit the shutter, hoping for the best. Last week we sailed (yes
we were actually sailing!) through three pods of whales. These aren't
bad as snapshots:
http://www.sv-loki.com/whale1.jpg
http://www.sv-loki.com/whale2.jpg
http://www.sv-loki.com/whale3.jpg

but they don't compare to what I got with the Canon G5 3 years ago:
http://www.sv-loki.com/Whales/whales.html

One thing I keep forgetting to do with the Optio is to manually preset
the focus - that would have helped for the whale shots. And, although
the WP is still sold, there are three models newer.

And of course, the G5 (or any other camera I have) would not have been
there for:
http://www.sv-loki.com/IMGP0684_edited.jpg

Stunning Sail
 

Jeff, love the whale shots no matter the focus. Awesome that you were
close to them. There are some 300 dollar super-zoom cameras that may be
worth checking out. Kodak's Z650 is among them with a 10 times optical
zoom of pretty good quality. I've been using the tiny cameras on board
because I'm still sorting out the boat and Thomas. This coming weekend
the DSLR comes along for the first time. I'll either get some good
shots or tell a sad (but funny) story of a lost 1700 dollar camera.
It's in a Pelican case at least.


RB
35s5
NY

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
I believe that Ansel Adams used a cheap instamatic camera in his career.
It's not the camera, even pin hole cameras which cost practically nothing
can take fantastic pictures. It's the photographer.


Right you are. Poor RB!

No amount of plastic surgery would make Tori Spelling beautiful and no
amount of camera equipment will make RB an artist!

Stunning Sail
 

Scotty;

I hate like hell to step into a discussion with these "Camera Pro''s but
I have to tell you again; DON"T OVERLOOK THE:

Kodak; Easy Share CX7330!!
It is in the price range you're talking about. Has ALL THE Features the
pro are talking about. Auto focus, plus 4 manual stops. Plus a Video
Setting ( Not the greatest but GOOD) A 4 power zoom lenses. A manual
peek focus plus a back screen focus & review

Image stor., Album , Slide Show = + other features I don't use.

It's about 2"x4"by about 1" thick. It has a Auto Lenses cover, an
internal flash, a self timer for getting in the picture yourself. a
sound system to go with the video.

I've been carrying it in my pocket for at least a couple of years. No
damage!!

It has been replaced with a newer model but is still around $150.00 or
less

It has a 37mm.111mm(Equiv.)AF 3x Optical Kodak Retinar Aspheric All
Glass lenses but more important it has a outlets to let me transfer
pictures to my Web, my VCR, Computer or to print out photographs on my
printer 3 different sizes (another $150)

Had to say it. I'm not an expert in photography. Not at all but a sample
of the "Easy Share" pictures are in my Signature.

I love my camera. CAMERA, one single unit. No extra lenses. My only
Access. is a $10 tripod to be used to copy other photos

Good Luck on your search.




http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

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What do you think of the little Fuji A500. The A600 doesn't
have a viewfinder and I'd prefer one.

Scotty



"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com..
..

You think the Z60 is better than a Sony W7 or W 5?



The W5 and W7 are two of the Sony units I know have poor
focusing when
the light is not bright. If you only intend on using them
outdoors,
then they would be fine. I also take issue with Sony stuff
at times
because it can break...seems more delicate than some other
brands.
Sounds silly, but you can look up the W5 on Amazon and
read the
customer reviews. Some time ago I remember too many people
agreeing the
focus was a weak point. Some of this is operator error of
course. But I
tried a W5 and got blurry shots as well because it could
not lock focus
indoors very well. The Sony L1 was far better.
Your expectations are what's important here.


RB

Stunning Sail
 

The Fuji Finepix S7000 kicks ass on the Nikon D70!



"Scotty" wrote in message
...
What do you think of the little Fuji A500. The A600 doesn't
have a viewfinder and I'd prefer one.

Scotty



"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com..
.

You think the Z60 is better than a Sony W7 or W 5?



The W5 and W7 are two of the Sony units I know have poor
focusing when
the light is not bright. If you only intend on using them
outdoors,
then they would be fine. I also take issue with Sony stuff
at times
because it can break...seems more delicate than some other
brands.
Sounds silly, but you can look up the W5 on Amazon and
read the
customer reviews. Some time ago I remember too many people
agreeing the
focus was a weak point. Some of this is operator error of
course. But I
tried a W5 and got blurry shots as well because it could
not lock focus
indoors very well. The Sony L1 was far better.
Your expectations are what's important here.


RB

Stunning Sail
 

What do you think of the little Fuji A500. The A600 doesn't
have a viewfinder and I'd prefer one.



Scotty, Fuji makes some great cameras, but the A500 is not one of them.
It suffers from poor focus and shutter lag. What's odd to me is that
Fuji is all about no shutter lag, good focus and ISO range on higher
end models, but it has yet to trickle down. The new F30 is an amazing
P&S from Fuji.
Have you also looked at KEH.com? They sell used gear in like new
condition. For example, they have a Pentax Optio S50 for 119 bucks.
Optio 555 for 179.00 and so on. Keh.com is a great company and backs
what they sell.

RB
35s5
NY

Stunning Sail
 

The Fuji Finepix S7000 kicks ass on the Nikon D70!


This was an odd failure from Fuji. Poor low light focus and no AF
assist lamp. Sharpness at 12MP CCD res. is poor and there is quite a
bit of barrel distortion.
With a sensor half the size of a D70 it's not likely to kick any ass
and barely measures up to my new Casio.
Crantz, sensor size and is more important than MP count. Only the
ignorant worries about MP counts. The 4 MP Nikon D2Hs blows away my D70
in every way, even though my D70 has 6.1 MP. In fact, quite a few
people feel the D2Hs beats the D200 which has 10.2 MP.
Go google up a storm, but you don't own any good cameras.


RB
35s5
NY

Stunning Sail
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...

What do you think of the little Fuji A500. The A600
doesn't
have a viewfinder and I'd prefer one.



Scotty, Fuji makes some great cameras, but the A500 is not
one of them.
It suffers from poor focus and shutter lag. What's odd to
me is that
Fuji is all about no shutter lag, good focus and ISO range
on higher
end models, but it has yet to trickle down. The new F30 is
an amazing
P&S from Fuji.
Have you also looked at KEH.com? They sell used gear in
like new
condition. For example, they have a Pentax Optio S50 for
119 bucks.
Optio 555 for 179.00 and so on. Keh.com is a great company
and backs
what they sell.


No, I'll check them out tonight. Have you ever dealt with
'PrestigeCamera'? They have the Z120 at $166. I checked
some reviews on them, over 1000 negatives! Apparently the
place is a real rip-off.

Scotty

Stunning Sail
 

No, I'll check them out tonight. Have you ever dealt with
'PrestigeCamera'? They have the Z120 at $166. I checked
some reviews on them, over 1000 negatives! Apparently the
place is a real rip-off.



DON'T!!!!!!!!!!
Prestige Camera is one of many sites that scams people by taking the
order, the calling you back and asking if you want the battery or
manual for extra charge. Believe it or leave it, a lot of people fall
for it.


RB
35s5
NY

Stunning Sail
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

The Fuji Finepix S7000 kicks ass on the Nikon D70!


This was an odd failure from Fuji. Poor low light focus and no AF
assist lamp.

Have you experienced this yourself?

Sharpness at 12MP CCD res. is poor and there is quite a
bit of barrel distortion.

It doesn't have a 12 MP CCD.

With a sensor half the size of a D70 it's not likely to kick any ass
and barely measures up to my new Casio.
Crantz, sensor size and is more important than MP count.

No it's not. Increasing the space between charge cells on the CCD increases
the grain of the picture. You can't refute that!

You forgot to mention bits per pixel. How does that affect the phhoto
quality?



Only the
ignorant worries about MP counts. The 4 MP Nikon D2Hs blows away my D70
in every way, even though my D70 has 6.1 MP.

How many bits per pixel on each camera?

Go google up a storm, but you don't own any good cameras.

I don't even own a camera!

The Fuji S7000 focal plane array is far superior to any Nikon FPA. It's the
features and compression algorithms that make the S7000 fall short. But you
knew that, right?


So all you really know about cameras is what the sales brochures say. You
can't refute that either!

Bwahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!

Stunning Sail
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...



Crantz, sensor size and is more important than MP count.


Nikon says otherwise:

http://www.microscopyu.com/tutorials...tor/index.html

You know nothing about the actual physics of a camera!

You prove that with every post!

Go read some more sales brochures!

Fool!

Stunning Sail
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...

Prestige Camera is one of many sites that scams people by taking the
order, the calling you back and asking if you want the battery or
manual for extra charge. Believe it or leave it, a lot of people fall
for it.


They're in NY, aren't they?

Stunning Sail
 

It doesn't have a 12 MP CCD.

Not native, but it does have 12mp output. Look it up.


With a sensor half the size of a D70 it's not likely to kick any ass
and barely measures up to my new Casio.
Crantz, sensor size and is more important than MP count.


No it's not. Increasing the space between charge cells on the CCD
increases
the grain of the picture. You can't refute that!

Wrong. There is no increased space because the cells are larger. Larger
sensors make for less noise which is why no small sensor can match
Canon FF 35mm sensors for ISO performance.

You forgot to mention bits per pixel. How does that affect the
phhoto
quality?

It effects, but so does inherent pixel sharpness AA filters and the
optical set. The Fuji is not a good camera, Bob. The Fuji 30 is.


How many bits per pixel on each camera?

Google it up yourself. I use these cameras.


I don't even own a camera!

Clearly.

It's the
features and compression algorithms that make the S7000 fall short.

No, it's the optics that kill it, like any fixed lens camera. It
suffers from distortion, CA and poor control over DOF like all P&S
cameras.
And you DID not know that because you didn't google enough.


So all you really know about cameras is what the sales brochures
say. You
can't refute that either!

Bob, give it up, dude. You just proved beyond any doubt that you have
no clue. You have no idea of real world performance because you don't
own any of these cameras. And yes, I did get to use the 7000 and
recently the 9000, which is FAR better. Niether could touch the
cheapest DSLRs out there.
Your troll ends here.


RB
35s5
NY

Stunning Sail
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...

It doesn't have a 12 MP CCD.

Not native, but it does have 12mp output. Look it up.


Not a native 12 MP CCD, but the output is 12 MP.

Changing your story now aren't you?


With a sensor half the size of a D70 it's not likely to kick any ass
and barely measures up to my new Casio.
Crantz, sensor size and is more important than MP count.


No it's not. Increasing the space between charge cells on the CCD
increases
the grain of the picture. You can't refute that!

Wrong. There is no increased space because the cells are larger. Larger
sensors make for less noise which is why no small sensor can match
Canon FF 35mm sensors for ISO performance.

So larger sensors make for less noise. Are you saying a larger overall CCD
has less noise or larger individual charge cells have less noise? Are you
talking about high frequency noise with regard to the image quantization?



You forgot to mention bits per pixel. How does that affect the
phhoto
quality?

It effects, but so does inherent pixel sharpness AA filters and the
optical set. The Fuji is not a good camera, Bob. The Fuji 30 is.

Yes and no, yes and no. Which is it now? Pixel sharpness comes from having a
small size. But directly above you are claiming small pixels sizes have more
noise - how can they be sharp then? The Fuji is not a good camera, but the
Fuji 30 is. What is this, Alice in Wonderland?




How many bits per pixel on each camera?

Google it up yourself. I use these cameras.


I don't even own a camera!

Clearly.

It's the
features and compression algorithms that make the S7000 fall short.

No, it's the optics that kill it, like any fixed lens camera. It
suffers from distortion, CA and poor control over DOF like all P&S
cameras.
And you DID not know that because you didn't google enough.

Apparently you are not aware of downsampling algorithms:

http://www.stevesforums.com/forums/v...jump_to=139404

http://www.stevesforums.com/forums/v...m_id=16&page=1

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl.../ai_ziff113390


You know nothing about the 12 MP system!

Nothing!




So all you really know about cameras is what the sales brochures
say. You
can't refute that either!

Bob, give it up, dude. You just proved beyond any doubt that you have
no clue.

About what?

You have no idea of real world performance because you don't
own any of these cameras.

I don't own any cameras! Or a boat!

And yes, I did get to use the 7000 and
recently the 9000, which is FAR better. Niether could touch the
cheapest DSLRs out there.

You have been proven consistently wrong on your knowledge of how a camera
really works. How can anyone have any confidence in anything else you say?


Your troll ends here.


No it doesn't. You'll take another chomp at the bait! Unless you can refute
the Nikon website! Which you can't!!!!

Stunning Sail
 

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 07:35:52 -0600, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:


"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
roups.com...

Prestige Camera is one of many sites that scams people by taking the
order, the calling you back and asking if you want the battery or
manual for extra charge. Believe it or leave it, a lot of people fall
for it.


They're in NY, aren't they?



http://donwiss.com/pictures/BrooklynStores/h0180.htm

CWM

That picture does a lot for consumer confidence.

Stunning Sail
 

Your troll ends here.


No it doesn't.


Buh bye.



RB

Stunning Sail
 

The Fuji is preferred by many over the Nikon D50:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...ssage=17935870

Stunning Sail
 

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
. ..
The Fuji is preferred by many over the Nikon D50:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...ssage=17935870




Better optics for the money is just one reason!