Hi all,

I'm new to sailing and I would like to buy a boat between 30-35".

I'm looking for something that I can spend a couple of nights now and
then while on a trip. Entertain my family, and friends, and maybe live
there for a week or so.

Can someone give me some leads as to what to look for and what to stay
away from?

Maybe recommend some boats (brand, material, year, model, etc.) to look
for?

Thank you,

I'm new to sailing and I would like to buy a boat between 30-35".


I'm looking for something that I can spend a couple of nights now and
then while on a trip. Entertain my family, and friends, and maybe live
there for a week or so.


You didn't mention price range, but....
Generally stay away from US Yachts, O'Day, Siedlemann, Chrysler, Ticon.
That list won't gaurantee a bad boat every time, but they are among the
poorest boats ever built. And that's NOT to say that a C&C, Pearson,
Catalina, Beneteau or the like with be a slam dunk. Condition is
EVERYTHING.
If you're looking for a 1st boat that will sail well and let you test
the waters without spending an arm and a leg, try a Pearson 30, C&C 30
or Catalina 30 and there All three are great all around boats to get
you started. And all three were very successful and so you'll find
plenty to choose from.

RB
35s5
NY

"Praxi" wrote in message
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Hi all,

I'm new to sailing and I would like to buy a boat between
30-35".

Ding! that's a bell going off. I think most would agree that
buying a 30-35' sailboat BEFORE you know how to sail is a
bad idea. Not totaly undoable, but I would strongly advise
to learn to sail FIRST.


I'm looking for something that I can spend a couple of
nights now and
then while on a trip. Entertain my family, and friends,
and maybe live
there for a week or so.

You want a cruising boat. There are 1000s of them. What's
your price range? Sailing area? Will you be solo sailing?



Can someone give me some leads as to what to look for and
what to stay
away from?

Whatever you do, don't listen to the ****** who calls
himself ''Capt Rob''. He knows nothing about boats. He is a
sad troll who is jelious of everything.


Maybe recommend some boats (brand, material, year, model,
etc.) to look
for?



Start here, http://yachtworld.com/boats/index.html.en , look
for 30-35' sailboats.
You will soon be overwhelmed.

Material? Fibreglass, of course.
Year, model? What can you afford?
Brand? Within each brand you will find poor examples,
either by mfg. or neglect from an owner. Each individual
boat must be checked out, inspected thoroughly and then
surveyed before purchase.

Ding! that's a bell going off. I think most would agree that
buying a 30-35' sailboat BEFORE you know how to sail is a
bad idea. Not totaly undoable, but I would strongly advise
to learn to sail FIRST.


ding! The bell going off echoes in Scotty's head. When did he say he
was buying a boat first?



You want a cruising boat. There are 1000s of them. What's
your price range? Sailing area? Will you be solo sailing?

Since he doesn't sail yet, he probabaly can't answer all of these
questions, dopey.


within each brand you will find poor examples,
either by mfg. or neglect from an owner. Each individual
boat must be checked out, inspected thoroughly and then
surveyed before purchase.


Beware of clowns like Scotty, who bought the wrong boat day 1. Start by
crossing off builders who really produced trash....Siedlemann, US
Yachts, Oday, Macgreggor, coronada, and also Irwin is one to generally
avoid.
Note that Scotty, who actually bought a Seidlemann against the advice
of his friends, now has it up on stands, high and dry.

Good luck!

RB
35s5
NY

Although it might be obvious, you typically want to buy a boat that someone
else has spent a lot of time and money on and no longer wants. A lot of
boats are advertised as "Mexico vet" or "Atlantic vet." While there's
nothing wrong with that, you need to be careful not to buy a boat that's
been "road hard and put away wet" so to speak. Sure, it did it 10 times. Do
you want a boat that's been through that kind of pounding? Depending on what
you're willing to spend, get a survey. It'll likely save you 1000s,
especially since you don't know much about boats. Have a mechanic take a
look at the engine. Your choices of engine are diesel or gas. Most people
prefer diesels, but there's nothing wrong with an A4 if it's in good shape.

The main considerations (and expensive items) are hull quality, standing
rigging, engine, and general maintenance (has it been done or not).
Typically, someone who has done regular maintenance on their boat takes
pride in their boat, and thus the other things fall into line. It's rare
when lack of maintenance by the previous owner equates to few problems with
the other items.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scotty" wrote in message
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"Praxi" wrote in message
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Hi all,

I'm new to sailing and I would like to buy a boat between
30-35".

Ding! that's a bell going off. I think most would agree that
buying a 30-35' sailboat BEFORE you know how to sail is a
bad idea. Not totaly undoable, but I would strongly advise
to learn to sail FIRST.


I'm looking for something that I can spend a couple of
nights now and
then while on a trip. Entertain my family, and friends,
and maybe live
there for a week or so.

You want a cruising boat. There are 1000s of them. What's
your price range? Sailing area? Will you be solo sailing?



Can someone give me some leads as to what to look for and
what to stay
away from?

Whatever you do, don't listen to the ****** who calls
himself ''Capt Rob''. He knows nothing about boats. He is a
sad troll who is jelious of everything.


Maybe recommend some boats (brand, material, year, model,
etc.) to look
for?



Start here, http://yachtworld.com/boats/index.html.en , look
for 30-35' sailboats.
You will soon be overwhelmed.

Material? Fibreglass, of course.
Year, model? What can you afford?
Brand? Within each brand you will find poor examples,
either by mfg. or neglect from an owner. Each individual
boat must be checked out, inspected thoroughly and then
surveyed before purchase.

Waht about a Pearson 30?



Already suggested it to him. I suggested the same for Scott Vermon, but
he was hell bent on getting the very worst his money could buy. He won!
The Pearson 30 is one of the all-time great production boats, simple
and it sails great. One was featured on the cover of Cruising World not
long ago.....

http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/cwp30.jpg

Sailing Magazine also listed it as one of the all-time greats. I bought
mine for just 9K...sold it for just under 14K.


RB
35s5
NY

"Praxi" wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi all,

I'm new to sailing and I would like to buy a boat between 30-35".

I'm looking for something that I can spend a couple of nights now and
then while on a trip. Entertain my family, and friends, and maybe live
there for a week or so.

Can someone give me some leads as to what to look for and what to stay
away from?

Maybe recommend some boats (brand, material, year, model, etc.) to look
for?

Thank you,

Won't tell you what to buy, just that you avoid any advice offered by this
clowntard that calls itself "Capt" RB.

John Cairns

Won't tell you what to buy, just that you avoid any advice offered by
this
clowntard that calls itself "Capt" RB.



So...John....Ozzy and I agree on the Pearson 30. Please tell us why it
shouldn't be considered. Can you EVER post sailing info that is
worthwhile?
I guess not.

Other great boats to consider:

Sabre 28
Pearson 32 (up to 82)
C&C 29
Beneteau 345
Catalina 34 (Stay away from newer Catalinas)
Tartan 300/30
J30
J34c
Sabre 34
Bristol 33.5

And so on.....


RB
35s5
NY

"Scotty" wrote:

"Praxi" wrote:
I'm new to sailing and I would like to buy a boat between
30-35".

Ding! that's a bell going off. I think most would agree that
buying a 30-35' sailboat BEFORE you know how to sail is a
bad idea. Not totaly undoable, but I would strongly advise
to learn to sail FIRST.

Now why would you give out advice like that, Snotty?

I learned how to fly after I bought a Cherokee Arrow. (single engine,
retractable gear, a couple of other extras). I actually bought a second one
with a T-tail. The boys Dad had a Cherokee 6 when I met him.

I got paid for learning how to fly...so don't judge everyone by you personal
yardstick.

LP


I'm looking for something that I can spend a couple of
nights now and
then while on a trip. Entertain my family, and friends,
and maybe live
there for a week or so.

You want a cruising boat. There are 1000s of them. What's
your price range? Sailing area? Will you be solo sailing?



Can someone give me some leads as to what to look for and
what to stay
away from?

Whatever you do, don't listen to the ****** who calls
himself ''Capt Rob''. He knows nothing about boats. He is a
sad troll who is jelious of everything.


Maybe recommend some boats (brand, material, year, model,
etc.) to look
for?



Start here, http://yachtworld.com/boats/index.html.en , look
for 30-35' sailboats.
You will soon be overwhelmed.

Material? Fibreglass, of course.
Year, model? What can you afford?
Brand? Within each brand you will find poor examples,
either by mfg. or neglect from an owner. Each individual
boat must be checked out, inspected thoroughly and then
surveyed before purchase.

so don't judge everyone by you personal
yardstick.


Scott Vermon's personal yardstick is less than 3 inches long.


RB
35s5
NY