So Doug...do you think you could handle a Moth?
Think it's easier than a wind surfer?
Have you seen one underway?
Have you watched any of the videos?

OZ how much is 16,000 AUD?

Joe

Joe wrote:
So Doug...do you think you could handle a Moth?

Not without a heck of a lot of practice

Think it's easier than a wind surfer?

No, I think it's probably a bit harder

Have you seen one underway?

The new foil-riders? No. The old unicycle ones? Yes.

Actually I have raced Moths but it was so long ago that the
hot boats were designed like scows.


Have you watched any of the videos?


Yes... very cool! Did you see the speed record for them is
26 knots?

OZ how much is 16,000 AUD?


About $43

Actually it would be $12,200, Aussie money has been going
strong lately. Shipping one from up there would be a bitch
though. There are a bunch of new Moths in the UK... ask
Donal to send you one.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

DSK wrote:
Joe wrote:
So Doug...do you think you could handle a Moth?

Not without a heck of a lot of practice

Think it's easier than a wind surfer?

No, I think it's probably a bit harder

Wind surfing's a bitch, I think it looks easier myself.

Have you seen one underway?

The new foil-riders? No. The old unicycle ones? Yes.

Actually I have raced Moths but it was so long ago that the
hot boats were designed like scows.


Have you watched any of the videos?


Yes... very cool! Did you see the speed record for them is
26 knots?

26.4 knots and smooth as glass and quiet!...I see lots of splicing on
the videos, I wonder how much film they needed to get the film they did
post.

OZ how much is 16,000 AUD?


About $43

Thats what I was thinking..

Actually it would be $12,200, Aussie money has been going
strong lately. Shipping one from up there would be a bitch
though. There are a bunch of new Moths in the UK... ask
Donal to send you one.

ohhh

I could get one buildt here for less, maybe buy the foils.
Still an expensive toy. But long runs across the bays and lakes here
would be way too much fun and addictive.

Joe

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Think it's easier than a wind surfer?

No, I think it's probably a bit harder


Joe wrote:
Wind surfing's a bitch, I think it looks easier myself.


Shucks, I can windsurf fairly well. I would need to practice
again before being able to sail a sinker, but it didn't take
all that much time or effort to learn the first time. The
knees are a bit creakier nowadays, though.


Joe wrote:
26.4 knots and smooth as glass and quiet!...

No trap either. I think these boats are likely to be faster
than the one-man skiff types.



I could get one buildt here for less, maybe buy the foils.
Still an expensive toy.

Yeah, the foils are a big chunk of the cost. The trick is to
get the foil control system adjusted right and strong enough
to withstand a bit of chop.

One reason these things are so fast is that the T-foil is a
lot more efficient than a U-shaped one... the old foilers
had W-shaped foils for stability. A huge amount of drag was
caused by the foil piercing the surface. The tri-foiler
works the same way only not quite as efficiently.

But long runs across the bays and lakes here
would be way too much fun and addictive.


Popping up and down on the foils while swooping around an
anchorage would be fun too... did you see the video of two
chasing each other in figure eights?

I personally would enjoy the looks on the faces of people in
catamarans as you went slicing past them... but then I
already did that on the Johnson 18... these boats would do
it a lot more often though.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

DSK wrote:
Think it's easier than a wind surfer?

No, I think it's probably a bit harder


Joe wrote:
Wind surfing's a bitch, I think it looks easier myself.


Shucks, I can windsurf fairly well. I would need to practice
again before being able to sail a sinker, but it didn't take
all that much time or effort to learn the first time. The
knees are a bit creakier nowadays, though.

I can windsurf too, but I hate the starts, and my back's a bit creekier
as well


Joe wrote:
26.4 knots and smooth as glass and quiet!...

No trap either. I think these boats are likely to be faster
than the one-man skiff types.



I could get one buildt here for less, maybe buy the foils.
Still an expensive toy.

Yeah, the foils are a big chunk of the cost. The trick is to
get the foil control system adjusted right and strong enough
to withstand a bit of chop.

Seems like many of the home builders are using lots of bicycle tech.
Lot's of blogs with all the specs on the foils ect...seems the class
members seem happy to share information. A wand control on the forward
foil and the hand twish tiller on the stern seems the way to go


One reason these things are so fast is that the T-foil is a
lot more efficient than a U-shaped one... the old foilers
had W-shaped foils for stability. A huge amount of drag was
caused by the foil piercing the surface. The tri-foiler
works the same way only not quite as efficiently.

But long runs across the bays and lakes here
would be way too much fun and addictive.


Popping up and down on the foils while swooping around an
anchorage would be fun too... did you see the video of two
chasing each other in figure eights?

Yelp.

I personally would enjoy the looks on the faces of people in
catamarans as you went slicing past them... but then I
already did that on the Johnson 18... these boats would do
it a lot more often though.

I would love flying above the water silently, I took a test ride on a
rave a few years ago, on a slow wind day, lot more stable but no where
as fast or responsive, seeing the moth tack over and over again on
foil was pretty impressive.

Joe

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

OzOne wrote:
On 3 Aug 2006 09:03:32 -0700, "Joe"
scribbled thusly:

So Doug...do you think you could handle a Moth?
Think it's easier than a wind surfer?
Have you seen one underway?
Have you watched any of the videos?

OZ how much is 16,000 AUD?

Joe

I tried sailing one of Rohan's moths a couple of years back.
Totally out of control the moment it took flight!

Well with the after care required when you go sking on land I'm
guessing your a Klutz anyway. The T foils looks stable ....it's what
4-5' wide?


My guess is you need to be part chimp, part fighter pilot and have the
reflexes of Ayerton Senna to sail one effectively.

Can you wind surf? Surf? Do you know what foil you used, seems the
foils have made major advancements in the last year.

What got you out of control? How many times did you try to get on foil?
How long did you sail the boat?

Joe

I hold in awe anyone who can!

Oh and AU$ 16,000 is about US$ 13,000by the time you convert.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

OzOne wrote:
scribbled thusly:

I tried sailing one of Rohan's moths a couple of years back.
Totally out of control the moment it took flight!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AjPIrMMjh0
This boat?

Joe

This boat?


OzOne wrote:
No not 'that' boat but one of the 5 or 6 he owns.

OK that does it. I'm moving down there. First you get to
sail on the canting keel hotrods then a T-foil Moth? You
have it too good.


Take another look at the video, notice tacking and how the baot tries
to spit you off in the tack.
Notice too how the boat wil suddenly pitch down and dump itself back
into the briny...again it suddenly halves it's speed and tries to spit
you off the bow.

Very challenging and extremely exciting.


Already knew that. I thought the attitude controls had made
some advances just in the past year? Part of getting these
things to go is to be able to control pitch and get the
thing up & at the right angle fore/aft.

DSK

OzOne wrote:


Already knew that. I thought the attitude controls had made
some advances just in the past year? Part of getting these
things to go is to be able to control pitch and get the
thing up & at the right angle fore/aft.

Sounds easy dunnit :-)


Well it don't look as hard as you make it out to be OZ. I bet I could
jump on one and be planing thru tacks in a day's practice. Send me one
and I'll prove it!

Did the one you sailed have the twith foil flap control in the tiller
bar? Did it have the wand foil control forward?

Joe


DSK



Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

OzOne wrote:
On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:41:10 +1000, OzOne scribbled thusly:

On 7 Aug 2006 16:31:30 -0700, "Joe"
scribbled thusly:



BOTH! ....Man you must have a lousy sence of balance ;0)

Joe

Auto, wand control for the centreboard and wand for the rudder foil.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Typo, make that twist for the rudder foil.


I figured that;0)
Also read today they are developing a better system that causes air to
bubble of the top of the main foil when it is at the desired height,
better than the wand system, same as used on USN hydrofoils. The
bubbles effect lift and are developed with an induction system using
ventura principals and air valves.

Joe


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.