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Reverend Crantz July 27th 06 04:24 AM

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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I have an irrational feat of sharks.


The sharks probably mistake you for a large piece of whale ****.




Scotty July 27th 06 04:25 AM

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--
"Swab Rob" wrote


Working down by the docks means she sees action all the
time...more than most hookers.

RB
35s5
NY




Reverend Crantz July 27th 06 01:43 PM

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:29:39 GMT, "Maxprop" wrote:


Yes, as in any high stress profession, some burn out, but that rarely
changes
their true character. Those who burn out from being in the trenches
usually seek
some other position where they can continue to help people. And of course,
there
are a few who never really had it in them to begin with, and picked the
wrong
calling from the get-go. So what?



Brilliant insight. A good number of people are going into nursing today
because of the relatively high pay. When there are enough nurses pay will
decrease. Why is there such a nurse "shortage"? Previously causes were bad
working conditions, lousy pay and long hours. Nurses left the field in
droves. Do you think it will be any different this time around?



Capt. Rob July 27th 06 02:00 PM

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Brilliant insight. A good number of people are going into nursing today

because of the relatively high pay. When there are enough nurses pay
will
decrease. Why is there such a nurse "shortage"? Previously causes were
bad
working conditions, lousy pay and long hours. Nurses left the field in
droves. Do you think it will be any different this time around?


Suzanne's pay is over 70K and that's not even with the whole package.
Other hospitals pay in the 50-60K range if they really want you and
also offer loan foregiveness, free housing and a contract bonus. It's
amazing. Suzanne's friend just graduated and is getting even more pay
at a LI hospital plus an apartment for 1 year.
However, we heard that in NC nurses barely make 35K in many cases.
The most shocking thing is that when Suzanne is called for an extra
shift, she's paid freelance and gets over 800 dollars for a 12 hour
nightshift. In NY nurses can crack 100K if they want to.
Burnout really depends on the facility and how they are funded. St.
Francis is like a hotel. Seeing a hospital like that is an offence to
anyone who had to wait in the ER at Jamaica hospital to be sure.
The nurse shortage will continue to be a problem for the next 20 years
and a report on NPR last month claimed it will only get worse as the
retiree to graduate ratio is not working as our population requires
more and more care.
Bad times to be sick!

RB
35s5
NY


Capt. Rob July 27th 06 02:06 PM

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Reverend Crantz wrote:
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ps.com...

I have an irrational feat of sharks.


The sharks probably mistake you for a large piece of whale ****.




Wow, kind hard to believe that poor Bob has fallen to the level of such
a comment.
Ambergris (Discharged from Sperm Whales) is valuable stuff...10 bucks
an ounce...though not legally traded in the states.


RB
35s5
NY


LLoyd Bonafide July 27th 06 02:41 PM

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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Brilliant insight. A good number of people are going into nursing today

because of the relatively high pay. When there are enough nurses pay
will
decrease. Why is there such a nurse "shortage"? Previously causes were
bad
working conditions, lousy pay and long hours. Nurses left the field in
droves. Do you think it will be any different this time around?


Suzanne's pay is over 70K and that's not even with the whole package.
Other hospitals pay in the 50-60K range if they really want you and
also offer loan foregiveness, free housing and a contract bonus. It's
amazing. Suzanne's friend just graduated and is getting even more pay
at a LI hospital plus an apartment for 1 year.
However, we heard that in NC nurses barely make 35K in many cases.
The most shocking thing is that when Suzanne is called for an extra
shift, she's paid freelance and gets over 800 dollars for a 12 hour
nightshift. In NY nurses can crack 100K if they want to.
Burnout really depends on the facility and how they are funded. St.
Francis is like a hotel. Seeing a hospital like that is an offence to
anyone who had to wait in the ER at Jamaica hospital to be sure.
The nurse shortage will continue to be a problem for the next 20 years
and a report on NPR last month claimed it will only get worse as the
retiree to graduate ratio is not working as our population requires
more and more care.
Bad times to be sick!

Sluzy's pay is not out of line with NC. When you consider the NY & NYC tax
burden and cost of living NC is a deal. NY has a net loss of population, NC
has a net growth.



Reverend Crantz July 27th 06 02:45 PM

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...

Despite the higher pay, the number of people going into nursing is
dropping rapidly.


Do you have anything to back that up?


We have reached the point now, where if the
hospitals all re-opened their nursing schools, there would not be
enough teachers to staff them.


Unless pay is raised and the bar lowered for teaching.

Import nurses from Canada.



CWM




Reverend Crantz July 27th 06 02:53 PM

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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Reverend Crantz wrote:
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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I have an irrational feat of sharks.


The sharks probably mistake you for a large piece of whale ****.




Wow, kind hard to believe that poor Bob has fallen to the level of such
a comment.


I can go even lower!



Capt. Rob July 27th 06 03:44 PM

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Import nurses from Canada.


Yeah, the folks who built the amazing Express 30 success!!!


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!



RB
35s5
NY


Scotty July 27th 06 05:11 PM

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The Express 30 was built by nurses?


--
"Swab Rob" stupidly wrote

Import nurses from Canada.


Yeah, the folks who built the amazing Express 30

success!!!









Capt. Rob July 27th 06 05:12 PM

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The Express 30 was built by nurses?


Worse than that...CANADIAN Nurses!


RB
35s5
NY


Scotty July 27th 06 05:18 PM

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Stop swallowing the bait, you moron!



--
"Swab Rob" wrote
The Express 30 was built by nurses?


Worse than that...CANADIAN Nurses!


RB
35s5
NY




Bob Crantz July 27th 06 05:30 PM

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 07:45:51 -0600, "Reverend Crantz"
wrote:


"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
. ..

Despite the higher pay, the number of people going into nursing is
dropping rapidly.


Do you have anything to back that up?


Do you live in a cave in Afganistan? Buy a newspaper once in awhile.
This issue has not been kept secret.


Hint: It's been kept secret from you:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04221/358031.stm

http://goldsea.com/Career/CWS5S/healthcare.html

http://www.rndemand.com/

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/453336

Dropping rapidly! Yet the number of nurses are increasing!

Krusty, you can do better. Facts and logic win every time.




We have reached the point now, where if the
hospitals all re-opened their nursing schools, there would not be
enough teachers to staff them.


Unless pay is raised and the bar lowered for teaching.


Incorrect, and in any event, hospitals are not going to re-open all of
those nursing schools. The stockholders won't allow it because it
lowers overall profits. Hospital stockholders don't care about
anything except their own wallets.


But what about private nursing schools, trade schools?

http://www.denverschoolofnursing.org/

Emily Griffith Opportunity School:

http://www.universities.com/On-Campu...ty_School.html

Nursing, cosmetolgy, phrenology and welding all under one roof!




Import nurses from Canada.


BRILLIANT


SMACKDOWN!!!


CWM




Joe July 27th 06 05:52 PM

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Scotty wrote:
Joe wins!



What is ''canned water'' and carmel?


Water in sealed cans and caramel candy, the stuff inside milk duds

2400 kcal (10000 Kj) per package
High-energy value, ready to eat, non-thirst provoking
Small and lightweight
All natural ingredients, no preservatives
Tabletized and subpackaged for ease of rationing
U.S.C.G. approved, meets SOLAS 74/83, Bureau Veritas, CTA 09027/AO
BV/MCA
5-year shelf life

Joe

Scotty



"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...

Cabinboy Rob wrote:
Heart of Gold carries the best and most extensive gear.

Your boat can't
do better!


Wanna bet?

1) Full time registered nurse! (See, I already won!)


What if she is the one critically injured?

As we both are licenced MM masters we are both CPR and

first aid
certified.
Plus we both have fire fighting certification, and

tankerman
endorsements.

2) Coastal flare kit

Well duh, We carry red and white para flares. and 15

pistol flares and
two pistols.

3) Offshore flare kit


Sorta redundant, you going to use one or the other if

needed? We also
have 4 sets of Navy issue .25 cal. aviation type pencil

flares.

4) 3 throwable devices, two with lines.


we have 2 horse shoe dan bouys on lines, and a lifering,

not a cheap
small white one like you have on your stern. Also have a

monkey fist on
75ft of line, 12ga line heaving gun, 14 man inflateable

raft in hard
case, emergency fishing gear kit, water distillers, signal

mirrors, LED
flashlights, .38 snubnose colt, dye markers, EPIRB,

Sextant, compass,
sea anchor, canned water, carmel, solar blankets,

whistles, glow
sticks, knife.
5) 4 fire extinguishers


3 here.. one dry chem, one CO2. The engine room has an

auto halon
system.

6) 1 large first aid kit

Get suzy to get some morphine, rigs, stitching equip,

antibiotics.

7) 4 adult and 1 child safety harnesses


We have 2 adult harnesses. And one harness for working

aloft with a
dyna brake.

8) 3 Type 1 life jackets, 8 type 2 and 4 type 1


We have jackets for all aboard.

9) 1 spear gun


Me to! Also a Baby Bear Compound bow, Bushmaster AR15

shorty, .303, SS
410 shotgun 18" with slugs, Saber, Colt 1911, ect...
10) 2 VHF radios

What no SSB?
11) 2 cell phones

1
12) MOB Pole (Being installed this weekend)

Yelp
13) two horns

One hand held, one two tone airhorn
14) US Navy signal kit

Search light
15) Other assorted gear and first aid items.




Heart of Gold, like Alien, Ghost and Yoda before her

will continue with
our 100% perfect safety record, with more than 750

guests and counting!

We have never had an accident on RedCloud, living aboard

and sailing
full time since I bought her. Including several LD

offshore racing,
fishing trips. I did have a fish hook go in at the

thumbnail quick an
try to poke out on top of my thumb knuckle, but that was

at the dock.

As you can see...it's easy to do better.

Capt. Joe


RB
35s5
NY




Joe July 27th 06 06:05 PM

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Capt. Rob wrote:
Reverend Crantz wrote:
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ps.com...

I have an irrational feat of sharks.


The sharks probably mistake you for a large piece of whale ****.




Wow, kind hard to believe that poor Bob has fallen to the level of such
a comment.
Ambergris (Discharged from Sperm Whales) is valuable stuff...10 bucks
an ounce...though not legally traded in the states.


Alexander Pope observed, "Praise is like ambergris; a little whiff of
it, by snatches, is very agreeable; but when a man holds a whole lump
of it to his nose, it is a stink and strikes you down."

Joe


RB
35s5
NY



Bob Crantz July 27th 06 06:06 PM

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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But what about private nursing schools, trade schools?


Suzanne went to a private school to save time. Even with her
scholarships, it cost me over 60K, not including buying a second car
and other associated costs and not counting the loss of her previous
income which was pretty good.

You still seem to have no point at all about anything, Bob. Can I help?

You made my point. Krusty seems to think only hospitals can teach nursing.
Graduate school was expensive for me too. I had to buy an extra house and
airplane.



Bob Crantz July 27th 06 06:11 PM

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"Despite the higher pay, the number of people going into nursing is dropping
rapidly"

The statement is false. I proved it. You lose!

Kapoweee! Shaaazaaam!!!!!!

One can not use that statement to prove a nursing shortage. If the number
of nurses leaving are less than entering, there is a nursing glut!

Logic + facts = I win!



Maxprop July 27th 06 11:04 PM

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:29:39 GMT, "Maxprop" wrote:


They are with the patient for 8 or 12 hours shifts,


In the ER?


The wording might have been slightly off. They are with patients (plural)
for 8 to 12 hours shifts.


but the rheumatologist
may see 50 to 70 patients per day, which broadens his scope of knowledge
and
competence tremendously. While he may not see emergent patients, he was
exposed to first aid and emergency procedures during his medical
education.
And he can give medications, start IVs, or perform a trache without
waiting
for approval from afar.


70 patients a day? In private practice? Just how much LSD did you take
this
time?


Rheumatologists, ophthalmologists, internists, urologists,
otolaryngologists, and a few other subspecialists see that many daily.
That's what proper utilization of staff is all about. Most of those
practitioners spend two to five minutes on average with each patient, and no
time at all with some. Occasionally a patient takes more time and they run
behind (typical). I spent four years with a corneal specialist, during
which his average daily patient load exceeded 100. Of course my colleagues
and I saw most of them while the surgeons just popped in to say "hi" and
"that cornea is looking good, Mrs. Johnson" from time to time.

How did you think these guys gross in the healthy seven figure range each
year?

Max



Maxprop July 27th 06 11:15 PM

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"Reverend Crantz" wrote in message
. ..


Brilliant insight. A good number of people are going into nursing today
because of the relatively high pay.


That's hardly a brilliant insight. Nurses rank among the most underpaid
professionals, and they always have. In 1906, nurses earned about 1/3 of
the income of the average physician. What is that ratio now? I'm guessing
it's closer to 1/6 on average, based upon family practitioners, not
specialists or subspecialists, where it could be as low as 1/20 or more.

When there are enough nurses pay will decrease.


There never will be "enough nurses." The shortage is exacerbating and has
been for decades. Adequate staffing for my wife's unit is her chief
administrative problem.

Why is there such a nurse "shortage"? Previously causes were bad working
conditions, lousy pay and long hours. Nurses left the field in droves. Do
you think it will be any different this time around?


Nope. The hours are the worst feature--most nurses work weekends, nights or
evenings, and they are required to work double shifts if called upon to do
so due to weather or sufficient call-offs. The pay is not commensurate with
the level of education or the responsibility assumed. And the burnout rate
is exacerbating. Too many young women enter nursing with unrealistic
expectations, only to leave a few years later for better hours with less
responsibility and stress.

Max



Maxprop July 27th 06 11:23 PM

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...


That's not really the whole story behind why there is a nursing
shortage. Hospitals used to operate nursing schools to cultivate new
nurses. Most of those schools are now gone due to cost cutting
measures.


. . . and because their students tended to go elsewhere, rendering
hospital-based programs inefficient in solving staffing needs.

Those schools were a very inviting alternative to motivated,
but financially disadvantaged young people who had no way of going to
college. In my opinion, nurses who went to those hospital nursing
schools had a big advantage over nurses who got their credentials from
a college. Nurses from hospital nursing schools worked in the hospital
for the entire duration of their education. What they learned in class
got used immediately. College trained nurses had substantially less
exposure to practical application.


This is all true.


Despite the higher pay, the number of people going into nursing is
dropping rapidly. We have reached the point now, where if the
hospitals all re-opened their nursing schools, there would not be
enough teachers to staff them.


Such programs aren't likely to be reinstituted. Too costly and inefficient,
regardless of the nursing shortage. There are myriad nursing programs
throughout the country, from LPN programs to two and three year AS programs,
and of course the four-year baccalaureate programs. Their enrollments are
all declining, and the candidate pool is declining in quality as well.
Hospitals are stretched too tight financially these days to reinstitute such
programs.

Max



Maxprop July 27th 06 11:24 PM

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"Reverend Crantz" wrote in message
. ..

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...

Despite the higher pay, the number of people going into nursing is
dropping rapidly.


Do you have anything to back that up?


It's not a secret, RC. Rather common knowledge, actually, but I'm sure some
school figures could be located, if it really matters.

Max



Frank Boettcher July 27th 06 11:43 PM

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On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 22:23:10 GMT, "Maxprop"
wrote:
..

Such programs aren't likely to be reinstituted. Too costly and inefficient,
regardless of the nursing shortage. There are myriad nursing programs
throughout the country, from LPN programs to two and three year AS programs,
and of course the four-year baccalaureate programs. Their enrollments are
all declining, and the candidate pool is declining in quality as well.
Hospitals are stretched too tight financially these days to reinstitute such
programs.

Max



Waiting list with competitive entry at my local community college. At
least there was in '04.

I believe my sister RN (MSN) who is a nursing instructor at the MS
Gulf Coast Community College said there is a waiting list down there,
although that may have changed because of Katrina.

Frank

Capt. Rob July 28th 06 12:55 AM

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Taking my advise on the MOB Pole I see.... and to think you scoffed at
my
suggestion at first!


Where did I scoff at a MOB pole??? I bought one before tha boat even
got to NY.

RB
35s5
NY


Bob Crantz July 28th 06 01:42 AM

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
k.net...

"Reverend Crantz" wrote in message
. ..

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...

Despite the higher pay, the number of people going into nursing is
dropping rapidly.


Do you have anything to back that up?


It's not a secret, RC. Rather common knowledge, actually, but I'm sure
some school figures could be located, if it really matters.

I seriously doubt that the number of people going into nursing are dropping
rapidly or dropping at all. I'd like to see the figures. Here's some from
NY:

http://www.op.nysed.gov/nursecounts.htm

From 2001 -2005: a 35% increase in RN license issued, a 41% increase in LPN
licenses issued and a 21% drop in nurse practitioners.

Overall, a net increase in the number of nursing licenses issued.

As I said, facts+logic wins every time.



Capt.Mooron July 28th 06 02:37 AM

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

Where did I scoff at a MOB pole??? I bought one before tha boat even
got to NY.


Same Place you got your "Safety Speargun"????

I know you've never used an MOB pole since you never had one on any of your
other boats... but have you ever used your speargun??

Now ... every once in a while I have to Talk-Down to you so you understand
things.... this is one of those times. Don't be upset... it's for your own
good.

The capability to effectively retrieve an MOB is soley dependent on a
properly equipped vessel with well rehearsed protocols.

To date you have neither....

CM-



Bob Crantz July 28th 06 03:22 AM

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
k.net...

"Reverend Crantz" wrote in message
. ..


Brilliant insight. A good number of people are going into nursing today
because of the relatively high pay.


That's hardly a brilliant insight.


But it is great sarcasm.

Nurses rank among the most underpaid professionals, and they always have.
In 1906, nurses earned about 1/3 of the income of the average physician.
What is that ratio now? I'm guessing it's closer to 1/6 on average, based
upon family practitioners, not specialists or subspecialists, where it
could be as low as 1/20 or more.


What do doctors (GP's) earn? What does a nurse earn?

I think the most underpaid and overworked professionals are teachers and
accountants.



When there are enough nurses pay will decrease.


There never will be "enough nurses." The shortage is exacerbating and has
been for decades. Adequate staffing for my wife's unit is her chief
administrative problem.


There are always enough nurses at the right price. For decades there has
been an engineer shortage, even during the massive layoffs.



Why is there such a nurse "shortage"? Previously causes were bad working
conditions, lousy pay and long hours. Nurses left the field in droves. Do
you think it will be any different this time around?


Nope. The hours are the worst feature--most nurses work weekends, nights
or evenings, and they are required to work double shifts if called upon to
do so due to weather or sufficient call-offs.


They get paid for that double shift or comp time - right? In aerospace
double shift means unpaid overtime. It's not unheard of 80 hour weeks for
months on end.

The pay is not commensurate with the level of education or the
responsibility assumed.


Yes it is, the people are willing to work for it. Pay (reward) should be
proportional to the risk assumed.


And the burnout rate
is exacerbating. Too many young women enter nursing with unrealistic
expectations, only to leave a few years later for better hours with less
responsibility and stress.


Same reason people quit being lawyers, accountants, doctors (high suicide
rate too), engineers, etc. Guess what - the only ones that can handle the
rat race are the rats.

The health of the general population would be much better if they shed their
high stress jobs. Most illness stem from the workplace and the lifestyle it
induces.



Max




Maxprop July 28th 06 04:38 AM

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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message

What do doctors (GP's) earn?


Depends upon locale and demographics. In cities with high demand for good
GPs, they can earn half a million (net) easily. In rural America they might
struggle five or six days a week for $150K.

What does a nurse earn?


Again it depends. In underserved cities with great demand, they can receive
a $25K sign-on bonus and with evening or night differential earn $100K per
year. In most places the average staff nurse on a med-surg flood makes
about $50K per year. A Clincal Nurse Specialist in ICU generally will earn
around $75K to $100K per year. A busy nurse anesthetist can earn $300K per
year, especially if he/she is willing to travel.

I think the most underpaid and overworked professionals are teachers and
accountants.


No one dies if they screw up. They may be overworked and underpaid, but the
responsibility factor just isn't the same as in health care.


There are always enough nurses at the right price.


You should know that money is not the prime motivator in today's workforce.
Hours, time off, and job satisfaction are greater motivators. Money is
important, but it's consistently #4 or #5 on people's lists.

They get paid for that double shift or comp time - right?


Of course. In some cases they get time and a half, or even double time pay.
But most nurses, excepting those with huge financial burdens, would rather
have the time off with family.

Yes it is, the people are willing to work for it. Pay (reward) should be
proportional to the risk assumed.


It should be, yes.

Same reason people quit being lawyers, accountants, doctors (high suicide
rate too), engineers, etc. Guess what - the only ones that can handle the
rat race are the rats.

The health of the general population would be much better if they shed
their high stress jobs. Most illness stem from the workplace and the
lifestyle it induces.


I can't argue with that, primarily because I don't have data to support or
deny. But it wouldn't surprise me. That said, most jobs have a high-stress
component. Few don't. Add McDonald's lunches, excessive drinking after
work, and a lack of exercise, and we've got a populace on the verge of
mental or physical catastrophe, save for one particularly stressful episode.

Max



Maxprop July 28th 06 04:40 AM

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"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 22:23:10 GMT, "Maxprop"
wrote:
.

Such programs aren't likely to be reinstituted. Too costly and
inefficient,
regardless of the nursing shortage. There are myriad nursing programs
throughout the country, from LPN programs to two and three year AS
programs,
and of course the four-year baccalaureate programs. Their enrollments are
all declining, and the candidate pool is declining in quality as well.
Hospitals are stretched too tight financially these days to reinstitute
such
programs.

Max



Waiting list with competitive entry at my local community college. At
least there was in '04.

I believe my sister RN (MSN) who is a nursing instructor at the MS
Gulf Coast Community College said there is a waiting list down there,
although that may have changed because of Katrina.


No doubt there are exceptions to every generality. But the fact remains
that nursing in general is underserved by incoming personnel, and overserved
by outgoing nurses who just throw in the towel.

Max



Maxprop July 28th 06 04:41 AM

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OzOne wrote in message ...
On 27 Jul 2006 06:00:40 -0700, "Capt. Rob"
scribbled thusly:
Suzanne's pay is over 70K and that's not even with the whole package.



Nurses have almost traditionally been underpaid.


Bubbles wife is a classic example of that. $70K in NYC is low pay.

Max



Maxprop July 28th 06 04:44 AM

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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
. ..

"Maxprop" wrote in message
k.net...

"Reverend Crantz" wrote in message
. ..

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...

Despite the higher pay, the number of people going into nursing is
dropping rapidly.

Do you have anything to back that up?


It's not a secret, RC. Rather common knowledge, actually, but I'm sure
some school figures could be located, if it really matters.

I seriously doubt that the number of people going into nursing are
dropping rapidly or dropping at all. I'd like to see the figures. Here's
some from NY:

http://www.op.nysed.gov/nursecounts.htm

From 2001 -2005: a 35% increase in RN license issued, a 41% increase in
LPN licenses issued and a 21% drop in nurse practitioners.

Overall, a net increase in the number of nursing licenses issued.

As I said, facts+logic wins every time.


It does only if you eliminate the statistics that defeat your argument,
specifically the attrition of burned-out nurses and those who leave to raise
a family or take other work. Factor in that and you'll have a different
picture. Fact: much is done to attract nurses to jobs (sign-on bonuses,
desirable shift choices, etc.) while almost nothing is done to retain
experienced nurses.

Max



Scotty July 28th 06 10:44 AM

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"Maxprop" wrote in


I think the most underpaid and overworked professionals

are teachers and
accountants.


No one dies if they screw up. They may be overworked and

underpaid, but the
responsibility factor just isn't the same as in health

care.


Teachers, GOOD teachers are more important to our society
than nurses.



Of course. In some cases they get time and a half, or

even double time pay.
But most nurses, excepting those with huge financial

burdens, would rather
have the time off with family.


I would imagine Suzzette spends as much time as possible on
the job.



That said, most jobs have a high-stress
component. Few don't. Add McDonald's lunches, excessive

drinking after
work, and a lack of exercise, and we've got a populace on

the verge of
mental or physical catastrophe, save for one particularly

stressful episode.


Do you work at the post office, Max?

Scotty



Scotty July 28th 06 10:46 AM

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"Maxprop" wrote

No doubt there are exceptions to every generality. But

the fact remains
that nursing in general is underserved by incoming

personnel, and overserved
by outgoing nurses who just throw in the towel.



My Mother was an RN, she quit that and became a private
nurse. Better pay and easier work.

Scotty



Bob Crantz July 28th 06 05:59 PM

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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Nurses have almost traditionally been underpaid.




Bubbles wife is a classic example of that. $70K in NYC is low pay.



Maxi, you are wrong again...and it seems impossible for you to be wrong
so often.
Suzanne makes 50% more than the weekly average in our area. You do know
that 70K is base and she also makes over 800 dollars for a single
shift...which she does 2-3 times per month. Whip out the calculator and
don't forget her 3K bonus, travel pay and so on.
Or to put it better, Suzanne makes the national weekly average in 16
hours. Seems like good starting salary to everyone but you!

New York City is the 12th most expensive city in the world to live in. It is
twice as expensive as the 2nd most city in the US.

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2005/...alieckal.shtml

If she is only getting 50% higher in a city costs at least twice as much as
any other city, Suzeete needs to get her head examined.

NYC - highest tax burden in the US!

NY state - net population decrease!

"I'm going to increase my pay! I'll take a job that pays 50% more in a place
that costs 100% more to live!"

duh!



Capt. Rob July 28th 06 09:38 PM

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New York City is the 12th most expensive city in the world to live in.
It is
twice as expensive as the 2nd most city in the US.


I guess that would all matter if we weren't living almost 95% rent
free. We don't even pay for a slip or land storage. The only real
elevated cost we pay is car insurance.

Sorry, Bob. It's not only that you lose again...as much as me
winning...again.


BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!


RB
35s5
NY


Bob Crantz July 29th 06 01:06 AM

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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New York City is the 12th most expensive city in the world to live in.
It is
twice as expensive as the 2nd most city in the US.


I guess that would all matter if we weren't living almost 95% rent
free. We don't even pay for a slip or land storage. The only real
elevated cost we pay is car insurance.

Taxes? Utilities? Opportunity cost? Over extended lifestyle?






Scotty July 29th 06 01:47 AM

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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
news:7u-
If she is only getting 50% higher in a city costs at least

twice as much as
any other city, Suzeete needs to get her head examined.


She can do it herself.
;)



JimC July 29th 06 02:36 AM

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What's a good but inexpensive portable GPS that includes an anchor alarm?

Jim


Joe wrote:

BB wrote:


Most new doctors get their REAL training amd mentoring from Registered
Nurses. If your wife is an RN and works in a hospital setting, I'm
sure she can verify that for you. Rob is correct that many MD's are
not as capable in emergency situations as many nurses.



So that would be like "Capt Rob" learning from a real cabin boy..right?


That doesn't

make them incompetent as Doctors. They just have different strengths
or areas of expertise. Some plumbers may also have carpentry skills,
and some anesthesiologists may have skills in orthopedics. Critical
care and emergency room nurses tend to be generalists, and are used to
making very quick and correct decisions on life and death matters
under pressure.



Indeed they do...not a job I'd wan't to deal with. Pays pretty good.
High burnout average and turnover. I bet it's high stress if you have
passion towards the people you are treating. Top that off with the
million plus people killed in Hospitals from medical mistakes a career
wrought with stress.

IMO Rob should publish that best seller, or direct a block buster and
provide Suzy with a less stressfull life.

Joe



BB





Joe July 29th 06 03:15 AM

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JimC wrote:
What's a good but inexpensive portable GPS that includes an anchor alarm?

Jim


Any magellian GPS will work and show movement.

If you are on anchor or stopped at sea you need someone on watch. No if
and or butts about it.

Weather you are on anchor or tied to a rig someone needs to be awake
and on watch.

Joe






Joe wrote:

BB wrote:


Most new doctors get their REAL training amd mentoring from Registered
Nurses. If your wife is an RN and works in a hospital setting, I'm
sure she can verify that for you. Rob is correct that many MD's are
not as capable in emergency situations as many nurses.



So that would be like "Capt Rob" learning from a real cabin boy..right?


That doesn't

make them incompetent as Doctors. They just have different strengths
or areas of expertise. Some plumbers may also have carpentry skills,
and some anesthesiologists may have skills in orthopedics. Critical
care and emergency room nurses tend to be generalists, and are used to
making very quick and correct decisions on life and death matters
under pressure.



Indeed they do...not a job I'd wan't to deal with. Pays pretty good.
High burnout average and turnover. I bet it's high stress if you have
passion towards the people you are treating. Top that off with the
million plus people killed in Hospitals from medical mistakes a career
wrought with stress.

IMO Rob should publish that best seller, or direct a block buster and
provide Suzy with a less stressfull life.

Joe



BB





Scotty July 29th 06 03:29 AM

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"Joe" wrote in message
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..

JimC wrote:
What's a good but inexpensive portable GPS that includes

an anchor alarm?

Jim


Any magellian GPS will work and show movement.

If you are on anchor or stopped at sea you need someone on

watch. No if
and or butts about it.

Weather you are on anchor or tied to a rig someone needs

to be awake
and on watch.



When you're single handing?





Joe July 29th 06 04:06 AM

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Scotty wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com..
.

JimC wrote:
What's a good but inexpensive portable GPS that includes

an anchor alarm?

Jim


Any magellian GPS will work and show movement.

If you are on anchor or stopped at sea you need someone on

watch. No if
and or butts about it.

Weather you are on anchor or tied to a rig someone needs

to be awake
and on watch.



When you're single handing?


No, when you are single handling you better be sure you are anchored,
or tied to a bouy and have a very bright anchor light. Single handling
involves a radar watCh and you sleep with the range alaRm set. Or you
set an alarm that will wake you on a time that will allow you to
prevent collision. In other words set an alarm that will arouse you at
brfore your best speed + the fasetet ship on the sea.. My guess the
other part of the figuring should be a ship at 30 kts. If you are
single handling and sleeping a radar alarm or CPA is needed.

jOE



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