Fast Sail Boats of ASA
 

PDQ 36: Jeff's PDQ may not point or tack as well as my 35s5 or Donal's
33.7, but for flat out speed it's unmatched my the monohulls here. We
should take note that Joe reports his 43 foot motorsailor is faster
with a hull speed (he claims!) of 13 knots.

Beneteau First 33.7: It's hard to know if Donal's 33.7 is faster than
my 35s5, but with her slightly longer LWL and deep draft I feel that
she may be a hair faster with both boats on an optimum reach.

Beneteau First 35s5: I've topped 10 knots and I can confirm Donal's
reports on these boats having truly exciting speed potential. My
Pearson 30 and C&C 32 were fun, responsive boats, but the 35s5 is like
a starship compared to my old shuttle crafts.

Express 30: It may be dated and ugly, but the Express 30 is fast enough
to keep pace with many larger boats. She's really only a hair slower
than the Beneteau's above and is stellar in a round the cans format. If
not for her lines and interior, she'd be a legend. Oh well.

Kirie Elite 32: Yup, while Katie probably turtles about, the Elite is
actually a pretty quick boat.

And THAT'S IT. The rest of you have tired, dilapidated nautical
footnotes that can't get out of their own way. Crippled Sea Cucumbers
laugh as they pass you. You find yourself saying things like, "She
really does well in a blow," and "She'd surprise you."
Yeah, okay.


RB
35s5
NY

Fast Sail Boats of ASA
 

Yeah OK ??
BTW have you ever ridden on a lowly Etchells?



Hey, Ozzy...didn't know you still owned and sailed the Etchells.


RB
35s5
NY

Fast Sail Boats of ASA
 

OzOne wrote:
Yeah OK ??
BTW have you ever ridden on a lowly Etchells?



"Capt" Rob wrote:
Hey, Ozzy...didn't know you still owned and sailed the Etchells.


In other words, no.

What does this say about Boobsie's self-proclaimed vast
sailing experience? No one-design experience at all? No
racing at all? Very little (if any) time in high-performance
crew-ballasted boats? Maybe all that "experience" is really
only half-vast?

DSK

Fast Sail Boats of ASA
 

OzOne wrote:
Doug,
You're so unkind...honest..but unkind :-)


Only to those who deserve it

DSK

Fast Sail Boats of ASA
 

Very little (if any) time in high-performance
crew-ballasted boats?


What's great is to watch Doug try to troll, while he's cried and cried
about my antics here.
Ah well...
My experience in crew balasted boats over the years...

Two summers sailing Sunfish as a kid...lots of fun!
Lots of sailing on Hobie 16 in recent years....
Sailing a wood Lightning as a teen...first boat I wanted to buy.
Sailing an Albacore as a teen....fast boat!
Sailing a laser off and on starting about 11 years ago....wanna buy
mine?

These are the boats I spent some time on...I've sailed others once or
twice, so I don't mention them here. I am NOT an experienced sailor of
these boats. I believe you need to stay in shape/practice for that kind
of sailing on at least a weekly basis. I do enjoy it when I can.
Sorry you didn't make the fast sailboat list, Doug. You traded in your
sailing dreams for a powerboat.

RB
35s5
NY

Fast Sail Boats of ASA
 

"Capt" Rob wrote:
These are the boats I spent some time on

WOW Bubbles, we're all SO impressed!


... I am NOT an experienced sailor of
these boats.

We could tell


.... I believe you need to stay in shape/practice for that kind
of sailing on at least a weekly basis.

So, you admit now you're overweight & out of shape? My
goodness it must be true confession time.

As for weekly practice, if you're looking to play the
majors, then yes. Otherwise, it's like riding a bicycle.
Once you acquire the skills & reflexes, they don't go away.
I haven't sailed a Laser more often than a few hours a year
for the past 15 years, but when I jump on one, it's lots of fun.



Sorry you didn't make the fast sailboat list, Doug.

Apology accepted, but not necessary.
1- I don't give a rat's patootie about you or your lists
2- I've owned and sailed more performance boats than you've
ever heard of

... You traded in your
sailing dreams for a powerboat.


??? What part of "cruising with family" do you not
understand? And I still sail more (and better) than you ever
will.

DSK

Fast Sail Boats of ASA
 

Once you acquire the skills & reflexes, they don't go away.
I haven't sailed a Laser more often than a few hours a year
for the past 15 years, but when I jump on one, it's lots of fun.


Well, then..since I've done some dinghy sailing this summer I'd
probably trounce you with ease. I'm naturally stronger than you and I
run. I'm also younger and sailing the 35s5 3 times a week on average.
You "sail" a powerboat.


Apology accepted, but not necessary.

That's a good step in the right direction, Doug. You must learn to
accept pity and we all do feel badly for you.


1- I don't give a rat's patootie about you or your lists

And yet here you are, posting in my thread about sailboats while you
don't even have one. Odd, eh?

2- I've owned and sailed more performance boats than you've
ever heard of

Golly. We're all VERY impressed with you, Doug, I'm sure! Sailing boats
people have never heard of sure is amazing!


??? What part of "cruising with family" do you not
understand?

You're "powering" with family. You chose a powerboat. This group is
comprised almost entirely of people who own cruising sailboats.

And I still sail more (and better) than you ever
will.

Well, the first part is untrue. I sailed 4 out of 7 days last week and
will be sailing Wednesday, Thursday, then sailing with friends to Cold
Springs for swimming and an overnighter on Saturday/Sunday.
As for the "better" part...we can only guess. I hope you're having fun
somehow, Doug. Really. Now...fuel up that bad boy!

Yikes!


RB
35s5
NY

Fast Sail Boats of ASA
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
....

??? What part of "cruising with family" do you not
understand?

You're "powering" with family. You chose a powerboat. This group is
comprised almost entirely of people who own cruising sailboats.

And someday,if you ever go on a real cruise, we'd love to hear about it.

Fast Sail Boats of ASA
 

Only to those who deserve it



I know a certain fella, who traded in his sailing dreams for a
powerboat, who awoke on the bitter side of the bed this morning!

BWAHAHAHA!


RB
35s5
NY

Fast Sail Boats of ASA
 

"Capt" Rob wrote:
... You chose a powerboat.

Yep. I chose a power boat that was the most practical for
the type of cruising we want to do.

... This group is
comprised almost entirely of people who own cruising sailboats.



Jeff wrote:
And someday,if you ever go on a real cruise, we'd love to hear about it.

Bubbles is still trying to figure out how to avoid those
charted rocks within sight of his slip.

DSK

Fast Sail Boats of ASA
 

Yep. I chose a power boat that was the most practical for
the type of cruising we want to do.


Total bull**** from Doug. He could have cruised on a sailboat. He
simply chose to "drive" over sailing.
The folks I know who are retired and cruising for real would never
consider a powerboat unless their health was a factor. Are you damaged
in some way?


RB
35s5
NY

Fast Sail Boats of ASA
 

Yep. I chose a power boat that was the most practical for
the type of cruising we want to do.


"Capt" Rob wrote:
The folks I know who are retired and cruising for real would never
consider a powerboat unless their health was a factor.

That's because they're dumb. Most cruisers I've ever talked
to complain about how often they had to motor (wind too
light, too strong, wrong direction), they need a bigger
fridge, they ran aground too often, had to wait for bridges,
couldn't make it to a good anchorage, batteries not holding
a charge, etc etc etc.

A trawler makes the most sense for the type of cruising we
do, so that's what we got. So far, it's been great, and
we're just getting started.

DSK

Fast Sail Boats of ASA
 

That's because they're dumb. Most cruisers I've ever talked
to complain about how often they had to motor (wind too
light, too strong, wrong direction), they need a bigger
fridge, they ran aground too often, had to wait for bridges,
couldn't make it to a good anchorage, batteries not holding
a charge, etc etc etc.



Holy crap!
We have quite a few cruisers and liveaboards here as well as passing
through. Some chose sail and others chose motorsailors. I can easily
see the appeal of the latter. And if my arms or back were badly
compromised I might choose power rather than having nothing at all.
But to be stuck on a boat that can NEVER cruise without the sound of
the motor churning away, spewing filth into the air and water? No
thanks! That's not what it's all about, Doug.
Sorry you need a bigger fridge and have so many bridges to get by. I
guess that rules out a sailboat because you MUST be at the anchorage by
3:00 sharp with fresh batteries. Great woogily boogers!
In any case, this is alt.SAILING.asa and you're a powerboat 100% now.
Others are polite about it, but absolutley no one truly believes the BS
about why you dropped the dream of a cruising sailboat. Ever hear of a
Nauticat or any of the other motorsailors out there? Some people have
enough character that a small fridge wouldn't keep them from a
sailboat, Doug.

Keep dreaming, Doug. But it does sound like even you have given up on
what you truly want.


RB
35s5
NY

Fast Sail Boats of ASA
 

So far, it's been great, and
we're just getting started.



It's been great??? Doing what? Turning the key and DRIVING noisily,
leaving a cloud behind you?
Yep, sounds great. Vroom.


RB
35s5
NY

Fast Sail Boats of ASA
 

"Capt" Rob wrote:
We have quite a few cruisers and liveaboards here as well as passing
through. Some chose sail and others chose motorsailors.

Then there's you (unfortunately).

But to be stuck on a boat that can NEVER cruise without the sound of
the motor churning away, spewing filth into the air and water? No
thanks! That's not what it's all about, Doug.

Agreed. Fortunately, I have the mechanical skills to keep
our boat quiet & clean. Maybe someday you will learn.



In any case, this is alt.SAILING.asa and you're a powerboat 100% now.

Not really. And if SAILING is the key to entry then why are
you here, Bubbles?

Others are polite about it, but absolutley no one truly believes the BS
about why you dropped the dream of a cruising sailboat.

What makes you think I "dreamed" of a cruising sailboat? It
has been more than "a dream" for several decades now.

.... Ever hear of a
Nauticat or any of the other motorsailors out there?

Yes. Your point?



Keep dreaming, Doug.

Some dream, others do.

.... But it does sound like even you have given up on
what you truly want.


Not at all, Bubbles, not at all.

DSK

Fast Sail Boats of ASA
 

through. Some chose sail and others chose motorsailors.


Then there's you (unfortunately).



Notice how poor Doug has now fallen to just make silly insults. He's
failed on making any points at all....
Simply because he ended up as a powerboater. It's no one's fault but
your own, Doug. No go by 100 gallons of diesel!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


RB
35s5
NY

Fast Sail Boats of ASA
 

"Capt" Rob wrote:
Notice how poor Doug has now fallen to just make silly insults. He's
failed on making any points at all....

Not at all. I made the point that you know nothing about
cruising... of course you missed the point because you know
nothing about cruising.


....No go by 100 gallons of diesel!!!

Why? We only buy fuel once a year, and it's much more than
100 gallons. Does that seem like a lot to you? The tugboat's
range allows us to buy the best fuel at the best price along
the seaboard... and get in a nice cruise along the way there
& back.

DSK

Fast Sail Boats of ASA
 

Not at all. I made the point that you know nothing about
cruising... of course you missed the point because you know
nothing about cruising.


I have very limited cruising experience. I've only made 4 day trips at
the most. I've not taken long sailing trips. But I'd still NEVER buy a
powerboat, Doug. NEVER ever. And I'm sure you must be aware that some
people, like me, would prefer to sail over anything else. You or
"someone" felt differently

Why? We only buy fuel once a year, and it's much more than
100 gallons. Does that seem like a lot to you?

Yup. It's disgusting, just like powerboating itself. I prefer to sail,
Doug. It's really as simple as that. You prefer to use an engine.


RB
35s5
NY

Fast Sail Boats of ASA
 

"Capt" Rob wrote:
I have very limited cruising experience.

See? It's getting easier and easier to tell the truth, Bubbles.

.... But I'd still NEVER buy a
powerboat, Doug. NEVER ever.

That's OK with me.



.... I prefer to sail,
Doug. It's really as simple as that.

Then why don't you?
For example, there are many active Laser fleets near you.
You could really gain some skills checking in with them.

Last time I sailed a Laser, we were at a fancy sailing
resort. It took a while to shake off the cobwebs but by the
end of the day, I'd won a bottle of champagne which we
enjoyed at dinner. This was in a fleet that included a
couple of college sailors. Another of the racers was the
professional captain of a 100' custom Swan, one of the few
professional yacht captains I've met who was a cut-throat
dinghy racer. It was a lot of fun.

This was one of the warm-up races, with the college sailors.
I bet a few people in this group will instantly recognize
where this place is.
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...35692614puwYVp


... You prefer to use an engine.


Nothing like a good engine when you want to get somewhere.

Stick to daydreaming Bubbles.

DSK

Fast Sail Boats of ASA
 

.... I prefer to sail,
Doug. It's really as simple as that.



Then why don't you?


I have, Doug. Didn't you see the pics? Sailing 4 days this week as
well. You?


RB
35s5
NY

Fast Sail Boats of ASA
 

.... I prefer to sail,
Doug. It's really as simple as that.

Then why don't you?


"Capt" Rob wrote:
I have, Doug.

I don't read all your posts (who has time?), but I got the
impression you simply went out on the boat and sat there;
then rushed back to the internet to whine about the lack of
wind. You would have been smarter to go out on a motor boat
for the day.

But then Bubbles... you're not smart, you're nuts!

DSK

Fast Sail Boats of ASA
 

I don't read all your posts (who has time?), but I got the
impression you simply went out on the boat and sat there;


Yep, that was Sunday. No wind sadly. But we had good sailing on the
other days.

you would have been smarter to go out on a motor boat
for the day.

Is that smarter if we don't like powerboats?
People like you just don't get it.
And never will.

Power away, Doug. Suzanne is racing Thursday on a J24. I'll be sailing
with friends into the early evening until she's done. Keep us all
posted on diesel costs!


RB
35s5
NY

Fast Sail Boats of ASA
 

"Capt" Rob wrote:
People like you just don't get it.
And never will.


That's exactly right. I don't want to "get it" as far as
bragging endlessly on the internet.

... Suzanne is racing Thursday on a J24.

Good (if true). Best way to learn how.

BTW keep us posted on the name/# and results of the boat
she's sailing on. Those of us who actually sail in the real
world keep up with such things, and aren't afraid to post
the results.

DSK

Fast Sail Boats of ASA
 

BTW keep us posted on the name/# and results of the boat
she's sailing on. Those of us who actually sail in the real
world keep up with such things, and aren't afraid to post
the results.


Okie dokie.



RB
35s5
NY

Fast Sail Boats of ASA
 

Still, I have to question why Doug, who has no sailboat at all, let
alone a fast one, is posting in a thread about why his "powerboat makes
sense."
Really really odd.

But funny!



RB
35s5
NY

Fast Sail Boats of ASA
 

"Capt" Rob wrote:
Still, I have to question why Doug, who has no sailboat at all, let
alone a fast one, is posting in a thread about why his "powerboat makes
sense."

1- because of this
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...35692614RfuojD

2- because for our usage (and a lot of other people who
won't admit it) the power boat *does* make sense!


Really really odd.


Only to those with no ability to comprehend.

DSK

Fast Sail Boats of ASA
 

This has the potential to be one of the great trolls of all time.

Why?

Honesty! Compliments! Admitting the 35s5 may not be the fastest!

This may get ugly folks.

I am so glad I don't own a boat or even sail!

Amen!


"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...


PDQ 36: Jeff's PDQ may not point or tack as well as my 35s5 or Donal's
33.7, but for flat out speed it's unmatched my the monohulls here. We
should take note that Joe reports his 43 foot motorsailor is faster
with a hull speed (he claims!) of 13 knots.

Beneteau First 33.7: It's hard to know if Donal's 33.7 is faster than
my 35s5, but with her slightly longer LWL and deep draft I feel that
she may be a hair faster with both boats on an optimum reach.

Beneteau First 35s5: I've topped 10 knots and I can confirm Donal's
reports on these boats having truly exciting speed potential. My
Pearson 30 and C&C 32 were fun, responsive boats, but the 35s5 is like
a starship compared to my old shuttle crafts.

Express 30: It may be dated and ugly, but the Express 30 is fast enough
to keep pace with many larger boats. She's really only a hair slower
than the Beneteau's above and is stellar in a round the cans format. If
not for her lines and interior, she'd be a legend. Oh well.

Kirie Elite 32: Yup, while Katie probably turtles about, the Elite is
actually a pretty quick boat.

And THAT'S IT. The rest of you have tired, dilapidated nautical
footnotes that can't get out of their own way. Crippled Sea Cucumbers
laugh as they pass you. You find yourself saying things like, "She
really does well in a blow," and "She'd surprise you."
Yeah, okay.


RB
35s5
NY

Fast Sail Boats of ASA
 

DSK wrote:
"Capt" Rob wrote:
Still, I have to question why Doug, who has no sailboat at all, let
alone a fast one, is posting in a thread about why his "powerboat makes
sense."

1- because of this
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...35692614RfuojD


Hmmmm. Nice boat. I didn't know you currently owned a sailboat.


2- because for our usage (and a lot of other people who
won't admit it) the power boat *does* make sense!

Oh, so I'm sure everyone who won't admit a trawler makes sense, is
still wondering why you need to talk about in a thread about fast
sailboats. And your trawler doesn't make sense to anyone who doesn't
like trawlers, Doug. And most sailors I meet don't like powerboats
much. "Sense" has little to do with boat choice, Doug.
No wonder you power. Sailing is about passion, whether you're a lake
sailor or crossing the Atlantic. It's NOT about the mechanics of
sensible water passages.


Only to those with no ability to comprehend.

You're still yapping about a trawler in a SAILING thread fer cripes
sake!!! BWAHAHAHAHA! Yep, doug, you got a good handle on things.


RB
35s5
NY

DSK

Fast Sail Boats of ASA
 

"Capt" Rob wrote:
Oh, so I'm sure everyone who won't admit a trawler makes sense, is
still wondering why you need to talk about in a thread about fast
sailboats.

Because you are continually bringing up the fact that I own
a trawler.

DSK

Fast Sail Boats of ASA
 

Bob Crantz wrote:
This has the potential to be one of the great trolls of all time.


Nah, the one about Ulysses' singing was better... but that's
ancient history...


I am so glad I don't own a boat or even sail!


If you want to capture the feeling of ownership, you can
come over, help me sand & varnish. Or if you'd rather,
another ongoing project is laying up carbon fiber on the new
dinghy.

Fresh Epoxy- Doug King

Fast Sail Boats of ASA
 

If you want to capture the feeling of ownership, you can
come over, help me sand & varnish. Or if you'd rather,
another ongoing project is laying up carbon fiber on the new
dinghy.



Or just come visit me and actually go sailing without any of that work.
My dinghy and the little Yamaha 8 is sitting at the dinghy dock as
well.

RB
35s5
NY

Fast Sail Boats of ASA
 

Honesty! Compliments! Admitting the 35s5 may not be the fastest!



Hey, your have to admit...I handled it perfectly and stuck with the
facts. That drives Doug out his tiny mind! He's now busy, VERY busy
trying to defend his TRAWLER in a thread on fast sailboats in a sailing
forum!!!
His best comment was on how so many sailors "won't admit" that a
trawler is a good idea, while ignoring the fact that taking the train
may also be more practical...and about as much fun as the trawler! He's
stamped POWERBOAT on his own forehead and all I did was give him the
ink.
Poor Doug got no help from Scotty Potty or anyone else either! Won't
someone please defend his trawler in a sailing NG????

Ahhh, aint life grand?!!



RB
35s5
NY

Fast Sail Boats of ASA
 

DSK wrote:


Last time I sailed a Laser, we were at a fancy sailing resort. It took a
while to shake off the cobwebs but by the end of the day, I'd won a
bottle of champagne which we enjoyed at dinner. This was in a fleet that
included a couple of college sailors. Another of the racers was the
professional captain of a 100' custom Swan, one of the few professional
yacht captains I've met who was a cut-throat dinghy racer. It was a lot
of fun.

This was one of the warm-up races, with the college sailors. I bet a few
people in this group will instantly recognize where this place is.
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...35692614puwYVp


Ok, I have to claim ignorance. Where is this? A sailing resort that
rents Lasers and Hobie Waves? Tell me more.

So I take it you you don't have the Johnson 18 anymore?

//Walt

Fast Sail Boats of ASA
 

Walt wrote:
Ok, I have to claim ignorance. Where is this? A sailing resort that
rents Lasers and Hobie Waves? Tell me more.


Bitter End Yacht Club. It's at the eastern end of Virgin
Gorda, open the to trade winds and sheltered water of Drake
Sound. I think the sailing end of it is tapering off due to
lack of public interest, although it's a fine place to sail
or windsurf & they have everything from an Express 37 9costs
extra), J-24s (free), Lasers, Vanguard 15s, Hobie Getaways
and Waves, and a variety of kayaks, windsurfers etc etc.
It's also not a bad place to go snorkeling.

I've been hoping a sailing resort would pop up on the Gulf
coast... someplace with good wind... but so far I don't know
of one. It's awesome to be able to have a comfy room, good
meals, and walk down to the beach and pick your weapon for
the day (or for the hour).

So I take it you you don't have the Johnson 18 anymore?


Nope, it has reluctantly gone to a good home. Right now I'm
looking for something like a Melges 24 only cheaper (and
hopefully a bit less labor intensive). Maybe one of these:

http://tinyurl.com/zqxpx
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/High-...QQcmdZViewItem

There are several for sale not too far from us.

Fast Sail Boats of ASA
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...

Honesty! Compliments! Admitting the 35s5 may not be the fastest!



Hey, your have to admit...I handled it perfectly and stuck with the
facts. That drives Doug out his tiny mind! He's now busy, VERY busy
trying to defend his TRAWLER in a thread on fast sailboats in a sailing
forum!!!
His best comment was on how so many sailors "won't admit" that a
trawler is a good idea, while ignoring the fact that taking the train
may also be more practical...and about as much fun as the trawler! He's
stamped POWERBOAT on his own forehead and all I did was give him the
ink.
Poor Doug got no help from Scotty Potty or anyone else either! Won't
someone please defend his trawler in a sailing NG????

Ahhh, aint life grand?!!


I think Doug's choice of a trawler was well thought out and practical. I
really admire him for his rational, practical thinking. Plus he is not
apologetic about his choices. He thinks for himself and I consider that a
vary good essential trait. I don't always agree with his choices, but I do
have high respect for them.

Fast Sail Boats of ASA
 

--
"Swab Rob" wrote
In any case, this is alt.SAILING.asa and you're a
powerboat 100% now.
Others are polite about it, but absolutley no one truly
believes the BS
about why you dropped the dream of a cruising sailboat.

Don't even pretend to speak for the ''rest of us here''.

Why don't you poll the people here , ask them who they think
is a better sailor, you or Doug?


--
Scotty.....''One who never gets out of the Sound cannot,
with any degree of
credibility, comment on the courage of fellow sailors''

Fast Sail Boats of ASA
 

"Capt" Rob wrote:
Well said, but his trawler has about as much place here as does a
discussion on the Sienna beating 2006 Kia Sedona.

Then why do you keep bringing it up?

Jealousy is my guess

DSK

Fast Sail Boats of ASA
 

Jealousy is my guess



It's just a minivan, Doug. Don't be jealous.



RB
35s5
NY

Fast Sail Boats of ASA
 

--
"Swab Rob" wrote
..And most sailors I meet don't like powerboats
much.


And most sailors I talk to don't put trawlers in the
''powerboat'' category.
I know ****head won't understand this.


--
Scotty.....''One who never gets out of the Sound cannot,
with any degree of
credibility, comment on the courage of fellow sailors''

Fast Sail Boats of ASA
 

--
"Swab Rob" wrote
" Poor Doug got no help from Scotty Potty or anyone else
either! Won't

Doug is doing fine,
--
Scotty.....''One who never gets out of the Sound cannot,
with any degree of
credibility, comment on the courage of fellow sailors'' all
by himself.