"Joe" wrote in message

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWe_Lf71o1U

Do the idiots have shackles and thimbles on the boats
cleats too?

If you dumb yankees learned to use a cleat the proper way,
you would
have no need for such stupity and waste.

Uh, Joe, not all Yankees are dumb. No one uses shackles like
that, ****head set up a few for the video, that's all.

Scotty

Tell me Rob,, just HOW and on what are your lines being chaffed so fast

that it requires shackles and thimbles?


Not fast, Joe, but thanks for admitting you've seen it used before. In
fact, our marina is owned by an old Navy man and he's behind us using
it. It's usage has been slowly growing because lines DO chafe, however
slowly. Using the thimble/shackle arrangement really cuts down on it
and dock lines do last longer. We have some pricey boats here who get
used every other month for cruises. You can bet those owners prefer
this system over just cleats and lines. In addition to the shackles and
thimbles EVERY boat must carry snubbers (4).
It may seem like overkill to you, but we have very very few problems
because of this setup. It doesn't cost a lot, anymore than it costs a
lot to pay for 24 hour security to protect against thieves.
Even with security, theft happens. Lost my dinghy two seasons ago to a
"rich" transient passing through on a Nordic Tug. I'm still not over
it....nothing lower than stealing a dinghy.


RB
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
Tell me Rob,, just HOW and on what are your lines being chaffed so fast

that it requires shackles and thimbles?


Not fast, Joe, but thanks for admitting you've seen it used before. In
fact, our marina is owned by an old Navy man and he's behind us using
it.

Bwahahahaha,,figures, the squid has you lubbers jumping thru
hoops...priceless!

Has he assigned a person for mail bouy watch? Is he making 10 bucks a
splice?

BTW it's 106 degrees in the shade here with no wind at all, I thought
about a zen trip to the middle of the lake to have my sails flap like
butterfly wings but decided to rig tropical silk for shade on the boat.
Going to make home made ice cream now.

Joe





It's usage has been slowly growing because lines DO chafe, however
slowly. Using the thimble/shackle arrangement really cuts down on it
and dock lines do last longer. We have some pricey boats here who get
used every other month for cruises. You can bet those owners prefer
this system over just cleats and lines. In addition to the shackles and
thimbles EVERY boat must carry snubbers (4).
It may seem like overkill to you, but we have very very few problems
because of this setup. It doesn't cost a lot, anymore than it costs a
lot to pay for 24 hour security to protect against thieves.
Even with security, theft happens. Lost my dinghy two seasons ago to a
"rich" transient passing through on a Nordic Tug. I'm still not over
it....nothing lower than stealing a dinghy.


RB
35s5
NY

Scotty wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWe_Lf71o1U
Do the idiots have shackles and thimbles on the boats
cleats too?
If you dumb yankees learned to use a cleat the proper way,
you would
have no need for such stupity and waste.

Uh, Joe, not all Yankees are dumb. No one uses shackles like
that, ****head set up a few for the video, that's all.

Although I've seen that setup a few times for special situations, I've
never seen it at a marina for all boats, and I've been to a large
number of marinas, especially in the North East. Its true that it
might be a tad more secure, but I've never seen a dock line fail at
the dock cleat, its always been on the boat - usually at the toerail,
etc. When the dock end fails, its because the cleat pulls out.

The worst part of it is that I would much prefer to carry my own
docklines with me, and I have lines made up specially for handling
from the boat. If a marina provided those shackled lines, I would
probably ignore them. Certainly they are useless for approaching the
dock with a larger boat, and they would just get in the way and
perhaps damage other lines.

Perhaps rb's slip get so much wake and chop that they need a special
setup. Or maybe there are so many newbies that its assumed that they
don't know how to hitch a cleat. Or maybe something about the
dockominium regs means that management is responsible for one end of
the line, so they prefer to make it idiot proof.

Although I've seen that setup a few times for special situations, I've
never seen it at a marina for all boats, and I've been to a large
number of marinas, especially in the North East. Its true that it
might be a tad more secure, but I've never seen a dock line fail at
the dock cleat, its always been on the boat - usually at the toerail,
etc. When the dock end fails, its because the cleat pulls out.

The worst part of it is that I would much prefer to carry my own
docklines with me, and I have lines made up specially for handling
from the boat. If a marina provided those shackled lines, I would
probably ignore them. Certainly they are useless for approaching the
dock with a larger boat, and they would just get in the way and
perhaps damage other lines.

Perhaps rb's slip get so much wake and chop that they need a special
setup. Or maybe there are so many newbies that its assumed that they
don't know how to hitch a cleat. Or maybe something about the
dockominium regs means that management is responsible for one end of
the line, so they prefer to make it idiot proof.


Jeff, you're correct on many counts. We all carry our own lines. But
the system used at NMYC is a "tad" more secure in addition. I can't see
what's wrong with that. Right now I'm using 4 of those lines with
subbers, plus the 4 springs. When I'm going to be away I can trust the
setup beyond just lines alone. Chaffing does happen and I have seen
lines go at either end. You're right that it's usually at the boat end.
As far as it being idiot proof, we have a lot of slips. Do you know
that every person in a marina can tie up properly? Do you want Scotty's
POS Sadlittleman 30 crashing into your nice Cat? I'm grateful for such
rules here.
As I said, Joe can find nothing wrong with the setup and it's also
neater and a "tad" safer, protecting us from the Scotty's of the world
who are probably using line from Home Depot.


RB
35s5
NY



RB
35s5
NY

"Jeff" wrote .

Although I've seen that setup a few times for special
situations, I've
never seen it at a marina for all boats, and I've been to
a large
number of marinas, especially in the North East. Its true
that it
might be a tad more secure, but I've never seen a dock
line fail at
the dock cleat, its always been on the boat - usually at
the toerail,
etc. When the dock end fails, its because the cleat pulls
out.

The worst part of it is that I would much prefer to carry
my own
docklines with me, and I have lines made up specially for
handling
from the boat. If a marina provided those shackled lines,
I would
probably ignore them. Certainly they are useless for
approaching the
dock with a larger boat, and they would just get in the
way and
perhaps damage other lines.

Perhaps rb's slip get so much wake and chop that they need
a special
setup. Or maybe there are so many newbies that its
assumed that they
don't know how to hitch a cleat. Or maybe something about
the
dockominium regs means that management is responsible for
one end of
the line, so they prefer to make it idiot proof.

Or perhaps rb's a liar.

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
Scotty wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWe_Lf71o1U
Do the idiots have shackles and thimbles on the boats
cleats too?
If you dumb yankees learned to use a cleat the proper way,
you would
have no need for such stupity and waste.

Uh, Joe, not all Yankees are dumb. No one uses shackles like
that, ****head set up a few for the video, that's all.

Although I've seen that setup a few times for special situations, I've
never seen it at a marina for all boats, and I've been to a large number
of marinas, especially in the North East. Its true that it might be a tad
more secure, but I've never seen a dock line fail at the dock cleat, its
always been on the boat - usually at the toerail, etc. When the dock end
fails, its because the cleat pulls out.

The worst part of it is that I would much prefer to carry my own docklines
with me, and I have lines made up specially for handling from the boat.
If a marina provided those shackled lines, I would probably ignore them.
Certainly they are useless for approaching the dock with a larger boat,
and they would just get in the way and perhaps damage other lines.

Perhaps rb's slip get so much wake and chop that they need a special
setup. Or maybe there are so many newbies that its assumed that they
don't know how to hitch a cleat. Or maybe something about the dockominium
regs means that management is responsible for one end of the line, so they
prefer to make it idiot proof.

Occam's Razor: The boats are semi-permanately attached to the dock.

****head set up a few for the video, that's all.


Yeah...I had them made up. Then I let them sit out on the breakwater
for a year so they'd get the right color and staining on the line. Then
I baked them at 410 degrees in my Chambers oven for 20 minutes so
they'd stiffen. Next part was easy, just get up early and re-tie the
boats on K dock at my marina. Shot the video using my Casio camera and
a pair of Inkie movie lights held by two PA's I hired for the shoot.
Then edited using my friends avid system to do the VO tracks and adjust
color so it wouldn't like 6 am. Process, compress and post...all done!

Yep, that video does prove it...Scotty is not just an idiot. He's a
raging idiot.


RB
35s5
NY

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"Swab Rob" wrote

****head set up a few for the video, that's all.


Yeah...I had them made up.

It was obvious.

S