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Although I've seen that setup a few times for special situations, I've never seen it at a marina for all boats, and I've been to a large number of marinas, especially in the North East. Its true that it might be a tad more secure, but I've never seen a dock line fail at the dock cleat, its always been on the boat - usually at the toerail, etc. When the dock end fails, its because the cleat pulls out. The worst part of it is that I would much prefer to carry my own docklines with me, and I have lines made up specially for handling from the boat. If a marina provided those shackled lines, I would probably ignore them. Certainly they are useless for approaching the dock with a larger boat, and they would just get in the way and perhaps damage other lines. Perhaps rb's slip get so much wake and chop that they need a special setup. Or maybe there are so many newbies that its assumed that they don't know how to hitch a cleat. Or maybe something about the dockominium regs means that management is responsible for one end of the line, so they prefer to make it idiot proof. Jeff, you're correct on many counts. We all carry our own lines. But the system used at NMYC is a "tad" more secure in addition. I can't see what's wrong with that. Right now I'm using 4 of those lines with subbers, plus the 4 springs. When I'm going to be away I can trust the setup beyond just lines alone. Chaffing does happen and I have seen lines go at either end. You're right that it's usually at the boat end. As far as it being idiot proof, we have a lot of slips. Do you know that every person in a marina can tie up properly? Do you want Scotty's POS Sadlittleman 30 crashing into your nice Cat? I'm grateful for such rules here. As I said, Joe can find nothing wrong with the setup and it's also neater and a "tad" safer, protecting us from the Scotty's of the world who are probably using line from Home Depot. RB 35s5 NY RB 35s5 NY |
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"Jeff" wrote . Although I've seen that setup a few times for special situations, I've never seen it at a marina for all boats, and I've been to a large number of marinas, especially in the North East. Its true that it might be a tad more secure, but I've never seen a dock line fail at the dock cleat, its always been on the boat - usually at the toerail, etc. When the dock end fails, its because the cleat pulls out. The worst part of it is that I would much prefer to carry my own docklines with me, and I have lines made up specially for handling from the boat. If a marina provided those shackled lines, I would probably ignore them. Certainly they are useless for approaching the dock with a larger boat, and they would just get in the way and perhaps damage other lines. Perhaps rb's slip get so much wake and chop that they need a special setup. Or maybe there are so many newbies that its assumed that they don't know how to hitch a cleat. Or maybe something about the dockominium regs means that management is responsible for one end of the line, so they prefer to make it idiot proof. Or perhaps rb's a liar. |
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"Jeff" wrote in message . .. Scotty wrote: "Joe" wrote in message http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWe_Lf71o1U Do the idiots have shackles and thimbles on the boats cleats too? If you dumb yankees learned to use a cleat the proper way, you would have no need for such stupity and waste. Uh, Joe, not all Yankees are dumb. No one uses shackles like that, ****head set up a few for the video, that's all. Although I've seen that setup a few times for special situations, I've never seen it at a marina for all boats, and I've been to a large number of marinas, especially in the North East. Its true that it might be a tad more secure, but I've never seen a dock line fail at the dock cleat, its always been on the boat - usually at the toerail, etc. When the dock end fails, its because the cleat pulls out. The worst part of it is that I would much prefer to carry my own docklines with me, and I have lines made up specially for handling from the boat. If a marina provided those shackled lines, I would probably ignore them. Certainly they are useless for approaching the dock with a larger boat, and they would just get in the way and perhaps damage other lines. Perhaps rb's slip get so much wake and chop that they need a special setup. Or maybe there are so many newbies that its assumed that they don't know how to hitch a cleat. Or maybe something about the dockominium regs means that management is responsible for one end of the line, so they prefer to make it idiot proof. Occam's Razor: The boats are semi-permanately attached to the dock. |
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****head set up a few for the video, that's all. Yeah...I had them made up. Then I let them sit out on the breakwater for a year so they'd get the right color and staining on the line. Then I baked them at 410 degrees in my Chambers oven for 20 minutes so they'd stiffen. Next part was easy, just get up early and re-tie the boats on K dock at my marina. Shot the video using my Casio camera and a pair of Inkie movie lights held by two PA's I hired for the shoot. Then edited using my friends avid system to do the VO tracks and adjust color so it wouldn't like 6 am. Process, compress and post...all done! Yep, that video does prove it...Scotty is not just an idiot. He's a raging idiot. RB 35s5 NY |
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-- "Swab Rob" wrote ****head set up a few for the video, that's all. Yeah...I had them made up. It was obvious. S |