Jon,

How in the world can you turn such a "Blind Eye" to Stupid Laws!

One man driving alone without his seat belt hooked can be fined for
breaking the Law while the same police officer can direct traffic for a
School bus with at least 50 children in a school bus and driver---
ISN't"T BREAKING THE LAW??? spare me.

How about children under 13 years of age on a Ferry Boat. Running free,
playing grab ass. Is the Captain & crew responsible for them. Where is
the Mighty C.G. authority on those sight seeing vessels in S.F. Bay??

Ol Thom

Sorry Thom, but I believe there is a move underway to require school busses
to install seat belts. This is not a stupid law, and I'm amazed that you
think it is. As to ferry operation, there are specific requirements for the
ferries with respect to PFDs. If you take a few minutes and look, you'll
find they do require them to be present, but it obviously isn't feasible to
have people wear them. This is again a different situation than on a
pleasure craft. The USCG is very interested in what goes on on the SF bay
and environs, and they are diligent in living up to their responsibilities.
The ferry companies are quite interested in safety, and I have witnessed
crew telling parents to curb their kids' activities while aboard.

At the moment, there are no requirements for adults to wear PFDs on pleasure
craft, and while I think it is important to do so, it's not a law nor will
it be. Children, however, are required by law to wear them. The law needs to
be enforced.

Seat belts are required by most states to be worn by all individuals in the
car/truck. They have saved countless lives. Of course, nothing will prevent
every kind of accident, but far fewer now are fatal due to seat belts.

Feel free not to wear either seat belts in a car or a PFD on the water. It's
every adults right to be stupid if that's your choice.

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"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Jon,

How in the world can you turn such a "Blind Eye" to Stupid Laws!

One man driving alone without his seat belt hooked can be fined for
breaking the Law while the same police officer can direct traffic for a
School bus with at least 50 children in a school bus and driver---
ISN't"T BREAKING THE LAW??? spare me.

How about children under 13 years of age on a Ferry Boat. Running free,
playing grab ass. Is the Captain & crew responsible for them. Where is
the Mighty C.G. authority on those sight seeing vessels in S.F. Bay??

Ol Thom

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Sorry Thom, but I believe there is a move underway to
require school busses
to install seat belts. This is not a stupid law, and I'm
amazed that you
think it is.

the orthodotist lobby has been fighting this law, tooth and
nail.


As to ferry operation, there are specific requirements for
the
ferries with respect to PFDs. If you take a few minutes
and look, you'll
find they do require them to be present, but it obviously
isn't feasible to
have people wear them. This is again a different situation
than on a
pleasure craft. The USCG is very interested in what goes
on on the SF bay
and environs, and they are diligent in living up to their
responsibilities.
The ferry companies are quite interested in safety, and I
have witnessed
crew telling parents to curb their kids' activities while
aboard.

Do you ride a ferry often, Jon?




At the moment, there are no requirements for adults to
wear PFDs on pleasure
craft,

Some do gooder liberal tried to pass such a bill for MD this
year. Fortunatley it was shot down.




Seat belts are required by most states to be worn by all
individuals in the
car/truck. They have saved countless lives. Of course,
nothing will prevent
every kind of accident, but far fewer now are fatal due to
seat belts.

Feel free not to wear either seat belts in a car or a PFD
on the water. It's
every adults right to be stupid if that's your choice.

So you think the state has a right to tell you what to wear
or not wear?

Do you believe in helmet laws? PA removed theirs'.

Scotty

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Sorry Thom, but I believe there is a move underway to
require school busses
to install seat belts. This is not a stupid law, and I'm
amazed that you
think it is.

the orthodotist lobby has been fighting this law, tooth and
nail.


Stop.. you're killin me.

Do you ride a ferry often, Jon?

Hell no. I was making a point.

At the moment, there are no requirements for adults to
wear PFDs on pleasure
craft,

Some do gooder liberal tried to pass such a bill for MD this
year. Fortunatley it was shot down.

I agree. What if I need to change my PFD while underway? Would I have to go
below?

So you think the state has a right to tell you what to wear
or not wear?

Of course. I'm a liberal.

Do you believe in helmet laws? PA removed theirs'.

Here, they're required. Most people are smart enough to wear them, except
for a few pro football players who probably played too many games without
their helmets. Do the football leagues require them to wear helmets? Maybe
they should lift that requirement.

Jon,

If a Law isn't being enforced then the LAW IS STUPID

If it isn't being enforced by the CG when its their Law, then you tell
me who is stupid the Law, the CG, or the people like yourself Jon. There
is a crossed circuit in they're mentality some where. You can't defend
it. It wrong; you know it; you accept it without reason. Really Jon, are
you sure you didn't vote for "The Bush" It's rather like their right to
wire tap.

Please tell us how YOU would get parents to put a sweatty public LJ on
their kids. ITS THE LAW you know, Tell us Jon; how many times have you
worn a Life Vest on a ferry. I know you wouldn't break the Law or do you
say its alright to break the Law?




http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

CM,

If you want to debate on the "Idiot's Level" its a losing cause. The
Idiots have much more experience at that level.

Let's at least TRY to keep ASA at a higher level.

Ol Thom




http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

Certainly true, and you seem to be making an example out of yourself I'm
sorry to see.

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www.sailnow.com

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
CM,

If you want to debate on the "Idiot's Level" its a losing cause. The
Idiots have much more experience at that level.

Let's at least TRY to keep ASA at a higher level.

Ol Thom




http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
CM,

If you want to debate on the "Idiot's Level" its a losing cause. The
Idiots have much more experience at that level.

There is Wisdom in that statement Thom.... but I never consider these as
debates... more like you select an opinion and defend your selected POV
weather you believe it or not. Oh Wait.... that is a Debate... unless it's
trumped by a Troll! :-)


Let's at least TRY to keep ASA at a higher level.

I mandate at least 2 shots of rum before sailing... or posting here! How
high a level are we talking here?

CM

Which law isn't being enforced? Cops enforce seatbelt laws. The USCG
enforces PFD laws.

I think you're starting to rant. And, I'm totally mystified by your utter
lack of civility. Not what I was expecting from you.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Jon,

If a Law isn't being enforced then the LAW IS STUPID

If it isn't being enforced by the CG when its their Law, then you tell
me who is stupid the Law, the CG, or the people like yourself Jon. There
is a crossed circuit in they're mentality some where. You can't defend
it. It wrong; you know it; you accept it without reason. Really Jon, are
you sure you didn't vote for "The Bush" It's rather like their right to
wire tap.

Please tell us how YOU would get parents to put a sweatty public LJ on
their kids. ITS THE LAW you know, Tell us Jon; how many times have you
worn a Life Vest on a ferry. I know you wouldn't break the Law or do you
say its alright to break the Law?




http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

"Capt. JG" wrote ...
Which law isn't being enforced? Cops enforce seatbelt
laws.

Do they? I've been driving 36 years , over 2M miles and
have never worn a seat belt.

SV