"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ps.com...

says children are at a very high risk for heat stroke.
For Mooron and Bob to suggest a child needs to wear a PFD at all
times...it's not only ignorant, we've never observed anyone who does
that. It's just not possible, let alone smart.


Next you'll be saying child seats and seatbelts are optional.

So now you have admitted several times that it is your practice for your kid
not to wear a lifevest.

If kids are at risk for heat stroke for wearing a safety device then don't
take them sailing. You always have the option of leaving them home. Or below
deck.

You are a monster for putting your kid at risk.

If anything did happen would you be able to live with the guilt?

Don't force the kid into dangerous situations. Leave him ashore.

If kids are at risk for heat stroke for wearing a safety device then
don't
take them sailing. You always have the option of leaving them home. Or
below
deck.


Utter nonsense. Taking even a short cruise means weather presents
certain risks ALWAYS. A wise parent doesn't mindlessly follow rules
that could prove to be dangerous in certain situations. You are not
only not a boater, but clearly not an educated parent.


You are a monster for putting your kid at risk.


YOU are the monster for suggesting a child should be put at risk for
heat stroke and even death by wearing a lifejacket at times when it's
not needed. A wise parent looks at ALL the conditions and makes a
judgement. Your advice is both robotic and mindless.


If anything did happen would you be able to live with the guilt?


Anytime you step into a car, boat or even outside your door there is a
risk...and few as great as putting a child in car. Unlike you Thomas
will grow up to be a man. We'll protect him as we see fit, not based on
some mantra chanted by followers. Bob, me thinks it's a good thing you
never procreated.


Don't force the kid into dangerous situations. Leave him ashore.


Yep, I know a few people like you. They have no problem putting their
children into a car and yet wonder if Thomas is in serious danger
aboard a sailboat. What awful cowards such as Bob exist in our
time...and they only wish to make more cowards of the youth around
them. In it's own way it's an inate jealousy, though not one that I can
understand.

The worst kind of coward is the type who wants everyone to share his
fears. I'm glad Thomas is not exposed to anyone like you.
Even for a troll, your post exposes a lot about you...and I'm surprised
you made such a post.


RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
If kids are at risk for heat stroke for wearing a safety device then
don't
take them sailing. You always have the option of leaving them home. Or
below
deck.


Utter nonsense. Taking even a short cruise means weather presents
certain risks ALWAYS. A wise parent doesn't mindlessly follow rules
that could prove to be dangerous in certain situations. You are not
only not a boater, but clearly not an educated parent.


You are a monster for putting your kid at risk.


YOU are the monster for suggesting a child should be put at risk for
heat stroke and even death by wearing a lifejacket at times when it's
not needed. A wise parent looks at ALL the conditions and makes a
judgement. Your advice is both robotic and mindless.


If anything did happen would you be able to live with the guilt?


Anytime you step into a car, boat or even outside your door there is a
risk...and few as great as putting a child in car. Unlike you Thomas
will grow up to be a man. We'll protect him as we see fit, not based on
some mantra chanted by followers. Bob, me thinks it's a good thing you
never procreated.


Don't force the kid into dangerous situations. Leave him ashore.


Yep, I know a few people like you. They have no problem putting their
children into a car and yet wonder if Thomas is in serious danger
aboard a sailboat. What awful cowards such as Bob exist in our
time...and they only wish to make more cowards of the youth around
them. In it's own way it's an inate jealousy, though not one that I can
understand.

The worst kind of coward is the type who wants everyone to share his
fears. I'm glad Thomas is not exposed to anyone like you.
Even for a troll, your post exposes a lot about you...and I'm surprised
you made such a post.

I don't own a boat.

I don't have kids.

You let Thomas dictate what is right or wrong.

What cars do you drive? hmmm?

The highest crash rated tanks around - KIA and Tribeca.

You, sir, are not only a hypocrite, but a coward of unequalled magnitude.

Once again, you steam rolled yourself!

Bwahahahahahaha!!!!

Once again, you steam rolled yourself!



Uh, Bob. That was really sad. You failed to make any points.


RB
35s5
NY

Nutsy,

I'm willing to bet there are more children killed in cars wearing seat
belts than kids in sailboats not wearing life vests.



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There's no need to bet. That's really comparing different things. It seems
like a pretty smart thing to wear seat belts and PFDs as appropriate to the
activity. :-)

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www.sailnow.com

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Nutsy,

I'm willing to bet there are more children killed in cars wearing seat
belts than kids in sailboats not wearing life vests.



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Jon,

How in the world can you turn such a "Blind Eye" to Stupid Laws!

One man driving alone without his seat belt hooked can be fined for
breaking the Law while the same police officer can direct traffic for a
School bus with at least 50 children in a school bus and driver---
ISN't"T BREAKING THE LAW??? spare me.

How about children under 13 years of age on a Ferry Boat. Running free,
playing grab ass. Is the Captain & crew responsible for them. Where is
the Mighty C.G. authority on those sight seeing vessels in S.F. Bay??

Ol Thom

Sorry Thom, but I believe there is a move underway to require school busses
to install seat belts. This is not a stupid law, and I'm amazed that you
think it is. As to ferry operation, there are specific requirements for the
ferries with respect to PFDs. If you take a few minutes and look, you'll
find they do require them to be present, but it obviously isn't feasible to
have people wear them. This is again a different situation than on a
pleasure craft. The USCG is very interested in what goes on on the SF bay
and environs, and they are diligent in living up to their responsibilities.
The ferry companies are quite interested in safety, and I have witnessed
crew telling parents to curb their kids' activities while aboard.

At the moment, there are no requirements for adults to wear PFDs on pleasure
craft, and while I think it is important to do so, it's not a law nor will
it be. Children, however, are required by law to wear them. The law needs to
be enforced.

Seat belts are required by most states to be worn by all individuals in the
car/truck. They have saved countless lives. Of course, nothing will prevent
every kind of accident, but far fewer now are fatal due to seat belts.

Feel free not to wear either seat belts in a car or a PFD on the water. It's
every adults right to be stupid if that's your choice.

--
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www.sailnow.com

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Jon,

How in the world can you turn such a "Blind Eye" to Stupid Laws!

One man driving alone without his seat belt hooked can be fined for
breaking the Law while the same police officer can direct traffic for a
School bus with at least 50 children in a school bus and driver---
ISN't"T BREAKING THE LAW??? spare me.

How about children under 13 years of age on a Ferry Boat. Running free,
playing grab ass. Is the Captain & crew responsible for them. Where is
the Mighty C.G. authority on those sight seeing vessels in S.F. Bay??

Ol Thom

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Sorry Thom, but I believe there is a move underway to
require school busses
to install seat belts. This is not a stupid law, and I'm
amazed that you
think it is.

the orthodotist lobby has been fighting this law, tooth and
nail.


As to ferry operation, there are specific requirements for
the
ferries with respect to PFDs. If you take a few minutes
and look, you'll
find they do require them to be present, but it obviously
isn't feasible to
have people wear them. This is again a different situation
than on a
pleasure craft. The USCG is very interested in what goes
on on the SF bay
and environs, and they are diligent in living up to their
responsibilities.
The ferry companies are quite interested in safety, and I
have witnessed
crew telling parents to curb their kids' activities while
aboard.

Do you ride a ferry often, Jon?




At the moment, there are no requirements for adults to
wear PFDs on pleasure
craft,

Some do gooder liberal tried to pass such a bill for MD this
year. Fortunatley it was shot down.




Seat belts are required by most states to be worn by all
individuals in the
car/truck. They have saved countless lives. Of course,
nothing will prevent
every kind of accident, but far fewer now are fatal due to
seat belts.

Feel free not to wear either seat belts in a car or a PFD
on the water. It's
every adults right to be stupid if that's your choice.

So you think the state has a right to tell you what to wear
or not wear?

Do you believe in helmet laws? PA removed theirs'.

Scotty

Jon,

If a Law isn't being enforced then the LAW IS STUPID

If it isn't being enforced by the CG when its their Law, then you tell
me who is stupid the Law, the CG, or the people like yourself Jon. There
is a crossed circuit in they're mentality some where. You can't defend
it. It wrong; you know it; you accept it without reason. Really Jon, are
you sure you didn't vote for "The Bush" It's rather like their right to
wire tap.

Please tell us how YOU would get parents to put a sweatty public LJ on
their kids. ITS THE LAW you know, Tell us Jon; how many times have you
worn a Life Vest on a ferry. I know you wouldn't break the Law or do you
say its alright to break the Law?




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