Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?
 

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?
 

"Carcharias" wrote in message
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Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?

According to someone here, there is nothing, absolutely nothing, better than
a Beneteau 35s5.

Of course YMMV, as does everyone elses.

What do you intend to do with it? What conditions will you sail in? How
old are you and in what condition? Is speed important, or accommodations?
A few details would be helpful.

Max

Max

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?
 

I should have been more specific. I'm interested in a racer cruiser.
More interested in speed than comfort. I can rough it. Ocean capable
is a requirement. Fin keel, no narrow transom boats. I'd like to
start single handing, and I'm getting a bit older and not as physical
as I was formerly. I've been looking around for a while. I'd prefer a
big cat, but can't afford that now. It seems those need to be big for
what I want to do. So I've decided to scope things down to a mid-30
footer. I'd like to be able to get 7 knots regularly. Many of the 30
footers I've seen only seem to sail one speed 5 knots. That is too
slow.

Also, I'd like to have two sea-berths and a comfortable at anchor
double for cozy nights with my lady.

Benetoad? You have got to be kidding! I would not touch a piece of
crap like that! Every one I've sailed has been too light in the keel,
and too tender as a result. The rig is weak, the factory sails are
horrible, and every thing seems to break. I have no cofidence in those
boats except for one 50 fotter I sailded that built around 1988. That
is too much boat for one person and which I can't afford either. Also,
too much plastic and no way to get at the hull.

I can deal with a light boat and, love them, but I would not trust my
life in cheaply built Benetoad, however, it woud be my first choice to
putting my ex-wife in one--during hurricane season.

What do you sail Max?

Maxprop wrote:
"Carcharias" wrote in message
ups.com...
Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?

According to someone here, there is nothing, absolutely nothing, better than
a Beneteau 35s5.

Of course YMMV, as does everyone elses.

What do you intend to do with it? What conditions will you sail in? How
old are you and in what condition? Is speed important, or accommodations?
A few details would be helpful.

Max

Max

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?
 

"Carcharias" wrote in message
ups.com...
Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?


http://www.mindspring.com/~sailing_fool/

Slightly bigger than 35', but not by much.

http://old.cruisingworld.com/ssbk/tart37.htm

If you know anything about PHRF ratings, I've seen a number as low as 126
associated with this boat. They are mainly centerboard boats, though there
are a few deep fin keels and shoal scheel keels out there. Only downside is
that they are relatively pricey, considering their age.

John Cairns

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?
 

Wow! Cool troll!!!!

Seemed real except for lack of price range...which makes all the
difference!



Sorry.



RB
35s5
NY

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?
 

Wow! Cool troll!!!!

You got that right. That was pretty slick... heh heh

One of our more talented regulars must have pulled this
one off.

Bill

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?
 

One of our more talented regulars must have pulled this
one off.


Yeah, but rather than slamming the Beneteau in such an obvious way, he
should have taken a few small jabs, like coming up with a good story on
a how a a 38s5 fell apart at sea during a charter, or how his insurance
company won't cover Beneteau, a few gentle jabs to get things going. Oh
well.

Did I ever tell you about the time my yard had to repair the hull deck
joint on a Luders 33? Practical Sailor mentions that it's a weakness on
them and the Sea Sprite.


RB
35s5
NY

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?
 

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?

John Cairns wrote:
http://www.mindspring.com/~sailing_fool/

Slightly bigger than 35', but not by much.

http://old.cruisingworld.com/ssbk/tart37.htm


Those are pretty boats. S&S designs are always classy
looking. The fine bow & stern make it small for a 37 footer.

If you know anything about PHRF ratings, I've seen a number as low as 126
associated with this boat.

OTOH they also have local ratings around 170. The bottom
line is that they're not speedy. But they are thoroughbreds
of an earlier generation of racer-cruisers.

... They are mainly centerboard boats, though there
are a few deep fin keels and shoal scheel keels out there. Only downside is
that they are relatively pricey, considering their age.


They have a devoted following. Lots of them (especially the
CB version) around the Chesapeake.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?
 

Nice troll, but also an interesting avenuse for discussion
(as always): "what is the BEST boat?"

Carcharias wrote:
I should have been more specific. I'm interested in a racer cruiser.
More interested in speed than comfort. I can rough it. Ocean capable
is a requirement. Fin keel, no narrow transom boats.

What characteristics do you associate "narrow transoms" with?

.... I'd like to
start single handing, and I'm getting a bit older and not as physical
as I was formerly. I've been looking around for a while. I'd prefer a
big cat, but can't afford that now.

Why not? Lots of multis coming on the market for less money
now. If that's what you want, it makes more sense to shop
for a bargain in that market than to get a monohull.



Also, I'd like to have two sea-berths and a comfortable at anchor
double for cozy nights with my lady.


Easily do-able in a 35 footer. But I guess if you're ruling
out multis one the basis of price, you're not looking at a
Sydney 36 either? The new X-35OD?

Some boats to look at:
Thomas 35
Frers 36 F3
Morgan 365 (Nelson/Marek)
J-35
Dehler 34 or DB-2
Omega 36
New York 36
Express 35
Abott 33 or 36
Soverel 36
Sweden 34
Scanmar 35
Baltic 35 (a bit pricey)
Olson 34
Ericson 34
CS 36
Sabre 34, 35, or 36

If shallow draft is among your considerations, I'd also
recommend a look at
Nightwind 35
Clearwater 35
Southerly 110

Benetoad? You have got to be kidding! I would not touch a piece of
crap like that! Every one I've sailed has been too light in the keel,
and too tender as a result. The rig is weak, the factory sails are
horrible, and every thing seems to break.

Hmm this is beginning to look more & more like a troll! But
while it's true that Beneteaus are mass-produced boats, the
market tends to force them into a QA level that is no worse
than other mass-produced boats of their size/price level.

If you feel so strongly about a Beneteau then I won't
suggest looking at any Hunters, even though for the dollar
they are roomier & faster.


I can deal with a light boat and, love them, but I would not trust my
life in cheaply built Benetoad, however, it woud be my first choice to
putting my ex-wife in one--during hurricane season.


Is your ex-wife named Isabelle or Ellen by any chance?

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?
 

Some boats to look at:


Doug, excluding the Beneteau's you left out one of the most impressive
more modern boats in the C&C 34+ and XL versions. The racer versions
like the XL combine really nice cruising interiors with R type
performance. This is a boat I sailed. The running backstays can be a
hassle for lazy sailing, but this is a boat that sails really well.


RB
35s5
NY

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?
 

Carcharias wrote:
Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?

For a nice all around offshore cruiser consider building a Bruce
Roberts 35A . Mild steel, long fin keel, skeg mounted rudder, aft
cockpit. The boat has a large amount of interior space. You can
customize the boat to meet your needs. The cockpit is long enough fo a
large person to take a comfortable nap. No wasted space aft.

This style of hull has tremendous strength and the fin keel offers good
windward ability. The steel hull will absorb shock and bend with impact
where fiberglass would crush and tear. This makes real sailors feel
much better when sailing at night when it's possible to hit a partially
submerged object such as a floating log or shipping container

Length: 35 ft. 6 in. LOA
LWL: 27 feet 6 inches
Beam: 11 ft. 0 inches
Draft: 5 ft. 6 in.
Displacement: 13,200 lbs.
Hull: Mild Steel
Spars: Aluminum
Engine: Inboard
Head: Standard
Galley. 3-burner, oven
Designer: Bruce Roberts

Robert also has a nice full keel Spray design.

You are dead right about the Bend-a toes.

Good Luck!

Joe

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?
 

You are dead right about the Bend-a toes


And that makes Doug dead wrong, Joe. Good work!



RB
35s5
NY

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?
 

Or do you use published data and facts?



Joe, how often have you sailed the Bruce Roberts design and how far?



RB
35s5
NY

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?
 

Joe wrote:
This style of hull has tremendous strength and the fin keel offers good
windward ability.

Not necessarily.

... The steel hull will absorb shock and bend with impact
where fiberglass would crush and tear.

Again, not necessarily. Fiberglass is a very nice material
in that you can specify what modulus you want... it is now
used in tank armor, for example.

Sven Lundin wrote about building test panels of foam-core
fiberglass that would absorb shots from 40mm cannon. His
boats are rather unconventional, and far too small for most
people to be comfortable long-term cruising... but it would
be difficult to imagine a stronger & more seaworthy vessel.


.... This makes real sailors feel
much better when sailing at night when it's possible to hit a partially
submerged object such as a floating log or shipping container


More than a few production boats include a Kevlar laminate,
which would also be proof against such collisions. Or, if
you don't like any of them, you could add a layer of Kevlar
to a boat whose design you liked.




Robert also has a nice full keel Spray design.


Pete Culler built what is probably the most accurate Spray
replica, and he said (while fond of the boat) that it was
slow as a barn. Nor is Spray a good design for offshore
sailing, it has rather low reserve stability. Remember that
Slocum was lost at sea!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
Or do you use published data and facts?



Joe, how often have you sailed the Bruce Roberts design and how far?

I've sailed aboard several Roberts designed boats, even been on a
traweler of his design.

That model, never...but Bruce designs nice steel kits.... and the guy
was asking for 35 ft cruisers.

If he were to use a ball hammer and dimple his hull like I did, he can
get the 35A up to 13 maybe 15 knots.

Joe





RB
35s5
NY

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?
 

Dave wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:39:13 -0400, Charlie Morgan said:

So far, you are not impressing me very much.

Frankly, I don't think anybody here gives a damn about impressing you.

No doubt, the goober is sucking up to boneheads trolls, and has a
personal fleet.
"mostly sailboats".

You know about birds of a feather flocking together.

Joe

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?
 

Charlie Morgan wrote:


What a pleasant and educated fellow!


Oh boo hoo...A thin skinned spelling nazi.

Joe


CWM

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?
 

Remember that
Slocum was lost at sea!



Don't worry, Joe is lost is the Rustoleum section at Walmart.



RB
35s5
NY

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?
 

On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:06:45 GMT, "John Cairns"
wrote:


"Carcharias" wrote in message
oups.com...
Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?


http://www.mindspring.com/~sailing_fool/

Slightly bigger than 35', but not by much.

http://old.cruisingworld.com/ssbk/tart37.htm

If you know anything about PHRF ratings, I've seen a number as low as 126
associated with this boat. They are mainly centerboard boats, though there
are a few deep fin keels and shoal scheel keels out there. Only downside is
that they are relatively pricey, considering their age.

John Cairns



Based on an earlier inquiry, that's where I was headed before I came
to my senses with regard to the whole concept of what I needed in a
boat.

It has everything I was looking for. reasonable draft (bd.up) in a
good sized boat, skeg protected rudder and good performance.

While I've never sailed one, I would expect a fairly nuetral helm with
good control to weather.

May still go there some day, but not for now.

Frank

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?
 

Step up 5 feet to hit your requirements... I'd strongly recommend a Niagara
35. Solid fast racer cruiser. They have a design with crew berths beside the
companionway, The galley and head are backed to each other amidships. Makes
for easy and simple plumbing.The forward cabin/Galley can be closed off from
the active section.Large sail locker up front. Rod Rigging. Fin Keeler. Your
7 knot average requirement is achievable with this boat.

Good Luck

CM

"Carcharias" wrote in message
ps.com...
I should have been more specific. I'm interested in a racer cruiser.
More interested in speed than comfort. I can rough it. Ocean capable
is a requirement. Fin keel, no narrow transom boats. I'd like to
start single handing, and I'm getting a bit older and not as physical
as I was formerly. I've been looking around for a while. I'd prefer a
big cat, but can't afford that now. It seems those need to be big for
what I want to do. So I've decided to scope things down to a mid-30
footer. I'd like to be able to get 7 knots regularly. Many of the 30
footers I've seen only seem to sail one speed 5 knots. That is too
slow.

Also, I'd like to have two sea-berths and a comfortable at anchor
double for cozy nights with my lady.

Benetoad? You have got to be kidding! I would not touch a piece of
crap like that! Every one I've sailed has been too light in the keel,
and too tender as a result. The rig is weak, the factory sails are
horrible, and every thing seems to break. I have no cofidence in those
boats except for one 50 fotter I sailded that built around 1988. That
is too much boat for one person and which I can't afford either. Also,
too much plastic and no way to get at the hull.

I can deal with a light boat and, love them, but I would not trust my
life in cheaply built Benetoad, however, it woud be my first choice to
putting my ex-wife in one--during hurricane season.

What do you sail Max?

Maxprop wrote:
"Carcharias" wrote in message
ups.com...
Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?

According to someone here, there is nothing, absolutely nothing, better
than
a Beneteau 35s5.

Of course YMMV, as does everyone elses.

What do you intend to do with it? What conditions will you sail in? How
old are you and in what condition? Is speed important, or
accommodations?
A few details would be helpful.

Max

Max

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

but this is a boat that sails really well.


Come on now... how would _you_ know?

You brag about motorsailing?

CM

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

Joe, how often have you sailed the Bruce Roberts design and how far?

I have... British Columbia... 46 nautical miles..

Ever sailed a Gozzard 36?

CM-

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?
 

Capt.Mooron wrote:

Step up 5 feet to hit your requirements... I'd strongly recommend a Niagara
35.

That's a pretty good boat too.... Depending on what you're
comparing to, I'd think about using the word "fast" though...

... Solid fast racer cruiser. They have a design with crew berths beside the
companionway

I actually don't like them there. Unless you sleep with your
head down in the box, you get wet any time anybody opens the
c'way.

.... The galley and head are backed to each other amidships. Makes
for easy and simple plumbing.

And if you don't like the cook's results, it makes disposal
quick & easy too ;)

.... The forward cabin/Galley can be closed off from
the active section.Large sail locker up front. Rod Rigging. Fin Keeler. Your
7 knot average requirement is achievable with this boat.


I thought your motto was "Death to fin keelers"? But this is
certainly one of the handsomer & more capable boats suggested.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?
 

Charlie, Dave isn't the official spokesman, but he's right. Nobody give a
damn about impressing you. Well, that's not completely true. :-)

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On 30 Jun 2006 10:53:02 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:39:13 -0400, Charlie Morgan said:

So far, you are not impressing me very much.

Frankly, I don't think anybody here gives a damn about impressing you.


I didn't realize the group had an official spokesperson. I'll be sure
to clear all further posts directed at other people with you before I
post them. Thanks for butting in, nanny!

CWM

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?
 

"DSK" wrote in message

I thought your motto was "Death to fin keelers"? But this is certainly one
of the handsomer & more capable boats suggested.

Well if you have no appreciation for the virtues of full keelers..... the
Niagara 35 is a good choice. I've sailed them... nice, responsive and well
laid out. It's no full keeler though.

CM

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?
 

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 11:29:34 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

Charlie, Dave isn't the official spokesman, but he's right. Nobody give a
damn about impressing you. Well, that's not completely true. :-)

I'm impressed, Jon!

You do know of course that Jon is Gay and a member of Glory Sail. His claim
to fame is being able to handle both sheets with the tiller firmly clamped
between his butt cheeks. Then again he's from California.

CM-

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?
 

DSK wrote:
Nice troll, but also an interesting avenuse for discussion
(as always): "what is the BEST boat?"

Carcharias wrote:
I should have been more specific. I'm interested in a racer cruiser.
More interested in speed than comfort. I can rough it. Ocean capable
is a requirement. Fin keel, no narrow transom boats.

What characteristics do you associate "narrow transoms" with?

Squirmy downwind. No interior space. Lack of form stability.

.... I'd like to
start single handing, and I'm getting a bit older and not as physical
as I was formerly. I've been looking around for a while. I'd prefer a
big cat, but can't afford that now.

Why not? Lots of multis coming on the market for less money
now. If that's what you want, it makes more sense to shop
for a bargain in that market than to get a monohull.

You may be right. I don't need space and I'm very interested in speed.
Perhaps I can find an older racing cat or tri. I've sailed the F-27
and loved it, but felt it was dangerous for offshore sailing. My only
other cat expe4rience is on Hobie's.


Also, I'd like to have two sea-berths and a comfortable at anchor
double for cozy nights with my lady.


Easily do-able in a 35 footer. But I guess if you're ruling
out multis one the basis of price, you're not looking at a
Sydney 36 either? The new X-35OD?

I'll check these out when I have some time to research. What would be
your first few choices. Would I be better off going a bit smaller and
lighter and put my money into self steering and an autopilot. I have
zero experience with that stuff.

Some boats to look at:
Thomas 35
Frers 36 F3
Morgan 365 (Nelson/Marek)
J-35
Dehler 34 or DB-2
Omega 36
New York 36
Express 35
Abott 33 or 36
Soverel 36
Sweden 34
Scanmar 35
Baltic 35 (a bit pricey)
Olson 34
Ericson 34
CS 36
Sabre 34, 35, or 36

If shallow draft is among your considerations, I'd also
recommend a look at
Nightwind 35
Clearwater 35
Southerly 110

Benetoad? You have got to be kidding! I would not touch a piece of
crap like that! Every one I've sailed has been too light in the keel,
and too tender as a result. The rig is weak, the factory sails are
horrible, and every thing seems to break.

Hmm this is beginning to look more & more like a troll! But
while it's true that Beneteaus are mass-produced boats, the
market tends to force them into a QA level that is no worse
than other mass-produced boats of their size/price level.

I know they are not ocean rated. Everyone I've talked to seems to say
bad things about them. I did like the big one I sailed years ago. And
there seem to be plenty up for sale.

If you feel so strongly about a Beneteau then I won't
suggest looking at any Hunters, even though for the dollar
they are roomier & faster.

I've sailed a few Hunters. They don't seem ocean capable to me. and
they seem to fall apart like the benetoads.

I can deal with a light boat and, love them, but I would not trust my
life in cheaply built Benetoad, however, it woud be my first choice to
putting my ex-wife in one--during hurricane season.


Is your ex-wife named Isabelle or Ellen by any chance?

No. Janet. Why? Do you plan to copy my idea?

C-T

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?
 

I don't mind running backs. The C&C boats are nice looking machines.

Capt. Rob wrote:
Some boats to look at:


Doug, excluding the Beneteau's you left out one of the most impressive
more modern boats in the C&C 34+ and XL versions. The racer versions
like the XL combine really nice cruising interiors with R type
performance. This is a boat I sailed. The running backstays can be a
hassle for lazy sailing, but this is a boat that sails really well.


RB
35s5
NY

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?
 

http://www.baileywick.org/projects.htm

Nice looking boat. The Canadians make some decent boats. Perhaps a
bit heavy, but certainly a solid dependable looking boat.

It would be great to find a boat that has been prepped like the one
above. I'd like to just sail away and skip doing upgrades.

Capt.Mooron wrote:
Step up 5 feet to hit your requirements... I'd strongly recommend a Niagara
35. Solid fast racer cruiser. They have a design with crew berths beside the
companionway, The galley and head are backed to each other amidships. Makes
for easy and simple plumbing.The forward cabin/Galley can be closed off from
the active section.Large sail locker up front. Rod Rigging. Fin Keeler. Your
7 knot average requirement is achievable with this boat.

Good Luck

CM

"Carcharias" wrote in message
ps.com...
I should have been more specific. I'm interested in a racer cruiser.
More interested in speed than comfort. I can rough it. Ocean capable
is a requirement. Fin keel, no narrow transom boats. I'd like to
start single handing, and I'm getting a bit older and not as physical
as I was formerly. I've been looking around for a while. I'd prefer a
big cat, but can't afford that now. It seems those need to be big for
what I want to do. So I've decided to scope things down to a mid-30
footer. I'd like to be able to get 7 knots regularly. Many of the 30
footers I've seen only seem to sail one speed 5 knots. That is too
slow.

Also, I'd like to have two sea-berths and a comfortable at anchor
double for cozy nights with my lady.

Benetoad? You have got to be kidding! I would not touch a piece of
crap like that! Every one I've sailed has been too light in the keel,
and too tender as a result. The rig is weak, the factory sails are
horrible, and every thing seems to break. I have no cofidence in those
boats except for one 50 fotter I sailded that built around 1988. That
is too much boat for one person and which I can't afford either. Also,
too much plastic and no way to get at the hull.

I can deal with a light boat and, love them, but I would not trust my
life in cheaply built Benetoad, however, it woud be my first choice to
putting my ex-wife in one--during hurricane season.

What do you sail Max?

Maxprop wrote:
"Carcharias" wrote in message
ups.com...
Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?

According to someone here, there is nothing, absolutely nothing, better
than
a Beneteau 35s5.

Of course YMMV, as does everyone elses.

What do you intend to do with it? What conditions will you sail in? How
old are you and in what condition? Is speed important, or
accommodations?
A few details would be helpful.

Max

Max

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?
 

http://www.baileywick.org/projects.htm

Nice looking boat. The Canadians make some decent boats. Perhaps a
bit heavy, but certainly a solid dependable looking boat.

It would be great to find a boat that has been prepped like the one
above. I'd like to just sail away and skip doing upgrades.

Capt.Mooron wrote:
Step up 5 feet to hit your requirements... I'd strongly recommend a Niagara
35. Solid fast racer cruiser. They have a design with crew berths beside the
companionway, The galley and head are backed to each other amidships. Makes
for easy and simple plumbing.The forward cabin/Galley can be closed off from
the active section.Large sail locker up front. Rod Rigging. Fin Keeler. Your
7 knot average requirement is achievable with this boat.

Good Luck

CM

"Carcharias" wrote in message
ps.com...
I should have been more specific. I'm interested in a racer cruiser.
More interested in speed than comfort. I can rough it. Ocean capable
is a requirement. Fin keel, no narrow transom boats. I'd like to
start single handing, and I'm getting a bit older and not as physical
as I was formerly. I've been looking around for a while. I'd prefer a
big cat, but can't afford that now. It seems those need to be big for
what I want to do. So I've decided to scope things down to a mid-30
footer. I'd like to be able to get 7 knots regularly. Many of the 30
footers I've seen only seem to sail one speed 5 knots. That is too
slow.

Also, I'd like to have two sea-berths and a comfortable at anchor
double for cozy nights with my lady.

Benetoad? You have got to be kidding! I would not touch a piece of
crap like that! Every one I've sailed has been too light in the keel,
and too tender as a result. The rig is weak, the factory sails are
horrible, and every thing seems to break. I have no cofidence in those
boats except for one 50 fotter I sailded that built around 1988. That
is too much boat for one person and which I can't afford either. Also,
too much plastic and no way to get at the hull.

I can deal with a light boat and, love them, but I would not trust my
life in cheaply built Benetoad, however, it woud be my first choice to
putting my ex-wife in one--during hurricane season.

What do you sail Max?

Maxprop wrote:
"Carcharias" wrote in message
ups.com...
Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?

According to someone here, there is nothing, absolutely nothing, better
than
a Beneteau 35s5.

Of course YMMV, as does everyone elses.

What do you intend to do with it? What conditions will you sail in? How
old are you and in what condition? Is speed important, or
accommodations?
A few details would be helpful.

Max

Max

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?
 

I'd love a pilothouse! Id prefer not have have to go below except to
use the head. I'm seriously interested in solo passagemaking and a
bunk in the pilothouse would allow me to pop my head up for a quick
scan, or set up some kid of recliner with a timeer to jolt me for a
periodic look-see.

Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:57:39 GMT, "Capt.Mooron"
wrote:

Step up 5 feet to hit your requirements... I'd strongly recommend a Niagara
35. Solid fast racer cruiser. They have a design with crew berths beside the
companionway, The galley and head are backed to each other amidships. Makes
for easy and simple plumbing.The forward cabin/Galley can be closed off from
the active section.Large sail locker up front. Rod Rigging. Fin Keeler. Your
7 knot average requirement is achievable with this boat.

Good Luck

CM


Good choice. A friend of mine just bought one recently. He is getting
on in years, and even considered a trawler. Instead he found a Niagara
35 pilothouse.


CWM


"Carcharias" wrote in message
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I should have been more specific. I'm interested in a racer cruiser.
More interested in speed than comfort. I can rough it. Ocean capable
is a requirement. Fin keel, no narrow transom boats. I'd like to
start single handing, and I'm getting a bit older and not as physical
as I was formerly. I've been looking around for a while. I'd prefer a
big cat, but can't afford that now. It seems those need to be big for
what I want to do. So I've decided to scope things down to a mid-30
footer. I'd like to be able to get 7 knots regularly. Many of the 30
footers I've seen only seem to sail one speed 5 knots. That is too
slow.

Also, I'd like to have two sea-berths and a comfortable at anchor
double for cozy nights with my lady.

Benetoad? You have got to be kidding! I would not touch a piece of
crap like that! Every one I've sailed has been too light in the keel,
and too tender as a result. The rig is weak, the factory sails are
horrible, and every thing seems to break. I have no cofidence in those
boats except for one 50 fotter I sailded that built around 1988. That
is too much boat for one person and which I can't afford either. Also,
too much plastic and no way to get at the hull.

I can deal with a light boat and, love them, but I would not trust my
life in cheaply built Benetoad, however, it woud be my first choice to
putting my ex-wife in one--during hurricane season.

What do you sail Max?

Maxprop wrote:
"Carcharias" wrote in message
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Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?

According to someone here, there is nothing, absolutely nothing, better
than
a Beneteau 35s5.

Of course YMMV, as does everyone elses.

What do you intend to do with it? What conditions will you sail in? How
old are you and in what condition? Is speed important, or
accommodations?
A few details would be helpful.

Max

Max

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?
 

Thanks man. :-)

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 11:29:34 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

Charlie, Dave isn't the official spokesman, but he's right. Nobody give a
damn about impressing you. Well, that's not completely true. :-)

I'm impressed, Jon!

CWM

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?
 

Charlie, As I'm sure you know, Mooron is very insecure and thus is very
angry. He is probably pathological about it. I suspect that he may have
gender issues, but I'm not a psychologist. He certainly needs help.

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"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:bKepg.115701$771.72058@edtnps89...

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 11:29:34 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

Charlie, Dave isn't the official spokesman, but he's right. Nobody give a
damn about impressing you. Well, that's not completely true. :-)

I'm impressed, Jon!

You do know of course that Jon is Gay and a member of Glory Sail. His
claim to fame is being able to handle both sheets with the tiller firmly
clamped between his butt cheeks. Then again he's from California.

CM-

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?
 

I'd don't know much about ratings. I want to be able to sail at around
7 knots or more is that possible in a 35 footer? I'm thinking more
and more I should change my goal to a multihull. Solo passages must be
brutal in a slow boat. All my ocean experience has been on sleds as
part of a large crew sailing to Hawaii. I can't imagine being out
there forever in a slow boat.

John Cairns wrote:
"Carcharias" wrote in message
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Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?


http://www.mindspring.com/~sailing_fool/

Slightly bigger than 35', but not by much.

http://old.cruisingworld.com/ssbk/tart37.htm

If you know anything about PHRF ratings, I've seen a number as low as 126
associated with this boat. They are mainly centerboard boats, though there
are a few deep fin keels and shoal scheel keels out there. Only downside is
that they are relatively pricey, considering their age.

John Cairns

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?
 

A bit bigger than spec'd but look into a Corbin 39 Pilot house...
An awesome cruiser...

CM

"Carcharias" wrote in message
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I'd love a pilothouse! Id prefer not have have to go below except to
use the head. I'm seriously interested in solo passagemaking and a
bunk in the pilothouse would allow me to pop my head up for a quick
scan, or set up some kid of recliner with a timeer to jolt me for a
periodic look-see.

Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:57:39 GMT, "Capt.Mooron"
wrote:

Step up 5 feet to hit your requirements... I'd strongly recommend a
Niagara
35. Solid fast racer cruiser. They have a design with crew berths beside
the
companionway, The galley and head are backed to each other amidships.
Makes
for easy and simple plumbing.The forward cabin/Galley can be closed off
from
the active section.Large sail locker up front. Rod Rigging. Fin Keeler.
Your
7 knot average requirement is achievable with this boat.

Good Luck

CM


Good choice. A friend of mine just bought one recently. He is getting
on in years, and even considered a trawler. Instead he found a Niagara
35 pilothouse.


CWM


"Carcharias" wrote in message
ups.com...
I should have been more specific. I'm interested in a racer cruiser.
More interested in speed than comfort. I can rough it. Ocean capable
is a requirement. Fin keel, no narrow transom boats. I'd like to
start single handing, and I'm getting a bit older and not as physical
as I was formerly. I've been looking around for a while. I'd prefer
a
big cat, but can't afford that now. It seems those need to be big for
what I want to do. So I've decided to scope things down to a mid-30
footer. I'd like to be able to get 7 knots regularly. Many of the 30
footers I've seen only seem to sail one speed 5 knots. That is too
slow.

Also, I'd like to have two sea-berths and a comfortable at anchor
double for cozy nights with my lady.

Benetoad? You have got to be kidding! I would not touch a piece of
crap like that! Every one I've sailed has been too light in the keel,
and too tender as a result. The rig is weak, the factory sails are
horrible, and every thing seems to break. I have no cofidence in
those
boats except for one 50 fotter I sailded that built around 1988. That
is too much boat for one person and which I can't afford either.
Also,
too much plastic and no way to get at the hull.

I can deal with a light boat and, love them, but I would not trust my
life in cheaply built Benetoad, however, it woud be my first choice
to
putting my ex-wife in one--during hurricane season.

What do you sail Max?

Maxprop wrote:
"Carcharias" wrote in message
ups.com...
Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?

According to someone here, there is nothing, absolutely nothing,
better
than
a Beneteau 35s5.

Of course YMMV, as does everyone elses.

What do you intend to do with it? What conditions will you sail in?
How
old are you and in what condition? Is speed important, or
accommodations?
A few details would be helpful.

Max

Max

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?
 

I'm not looking for a trawler.

For price. I thought that would be obvoius. I picked that size
because of price.

Capt. Rob wrote:
Wow! Cool troll!!!!

Seemed real except for lack of price range...which makes all the
difference!



Sorry.



RB
35s5
NY

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?
 

I'm on the west coast. Draft is usually not an issue. Goals for me
include Tahiti and french polonesian--maybe New Zealand. I'd prefer a
deep draft with a lighter keel

Frank Boettcher wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:06:45 GMT, "John Cairns"
wrote:


"Carcharias" wrote in message
oups.com...
Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?


http://www.mindspring.com/~sailing_fool/

Slightly bigger than 35', but not by much.

http://old.cruisingworld.com/ssbk/tart37.htm

If you know anything about PHRF ratings, I've seen a number as low as 126
associated with this boat. They are mainly centerboard boats, though there
are a few deep fin keels and shoal scheel keels out there. Only downside is
that they are relatively pricey, considering their age.

John Cairns



Based on an earlier inquiry, that's where I was headed before I came
to my senses with regard to the whole concept of what I needed in a
boat.

It has everything I was looking for. reasonable draft (bd.up) in a
good sized boat, skeg protected rudder and good performance.

While I've never sailed one, I would expect a fairly nuetral helm with
good control to weather.

May still go there some day, but not for now.

Frank

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?
 

I like metal boats. 35 feet seem to be the minumum for metal boats.
Probably too expensive for me though.

Joe wrote:
Carcharias wrote:
Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?

For a nice all around offshore cruiser consider building a Bruce
Roberts 35A . Mild steel, long fin keel, skeg mounted rudder, aft
cockpit. The boat has a large amount of interior space. You can
customize the boat to meet your needs. The cockpit is long enough fo a
large person to take a comfortable nap. No wasted space aft.

This style of hull has tremendous strength and the fin keel offers good
windward ability. The steel hull will absorb shock and bend with impact
where fiberglass would crush and tear. This makes real sailors feel
much better when sailing at night when it's possible to hit a partially
submerged object such as a floating log or shipping container

Length: 35 ft. 6 in. LOA
LWL: 27 feet 6 inches
Beam: 11 ft. 0 inches
Draft: 5 ft. 6 in.
Displacement: 13,200 lbs.
Hull: Mild Steel
Spars: Aluminum
Engine: Inboard
Head: Standard
Galley. 3-burner, oven
Designer: Bruce Roberts

Robert also has a nice full keel Spray design.

You are dead right about the Bend-a toes.

Good Luck!

Joe

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?
 

so the roberts designs are hard chine?

can you really round things off with a hammer? doesen't that weaken
the joint?

Joe wrote:
Capt. Rob wrote:
Or do you use published data and facts?



Joe, how often have you sailed the Bruce Roberts design and how far?

I've sailed aboard several Roberts designed boats, even been on a
traweler of his design.

That model, never...but Bruce designs nice steel kits.... and the guy
was asking for 35 ft cruisers.

If he were to use a ball hammer and dimple his hull like I did, he can
get the 35A up to 13 maybe 15 knots.

Joe





RB
35s5
NY

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?
 

"Carcharias" wrote in message
ps.com...
I should have been more specific. I'm interested in a racer cruiser.

So you want a light boat with a high SAD.

More interested in speed than comfort. I can rough it. Ocean capable
is a requirement.

Hmmm.. How big is your budget?

Fin keel, no narrow transom boats. I'd like to
start single handing, and I'm getting a bit older and not as physical
as I was formerly.

Do you really want a racer-cruiser?


I've been looking around for a while. I'd prefer a
big cat, but can't afford that now. It seems those need to be big for
what I want to do. So I've decided to scope things down to a mid-30
footer. I'd like to be able to get 7 knots regularly. Many of the 30
footers I've seen only seem to sail one speed 5 knots. That is too
slow.

I suspect that you don't understand what makes sailing boats go fast. Any 30
footer that can achieve an average speed of 7 Kts is going to be light, and
have big sails. It will require a fit and agile crew who are prepared to
work hard.




Also, I'd like to have two sea-berths and a comfortable at anchor
double for cozy nights with my lady.

Forget speed. You really want an Island Packet.


Benetoad? You have got to be kidding! I would not touch a piece of
crap like that! Every one I've sailed has been too light in the keel,
and too tender as a result.

Too fast for you?


The rig is weak,

Is it? Perhaps you could direct us to some reports of broken Beneteau
rigs .... or perhaps you cannot??


the factory sails are
horrible,


This ridiculous statement demonstrates your ignorance of the subject. Why
would you use the factory sails if you were interested in high speed
sailing.

Good troll, but no points for credibility!!


Regards


Donal
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