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"''One of my discoveries,'' Mr. Crimmins said, ''is that boat owners in
this area spend more time aboard their boats at the dock than they do
aboard their boats out on the water, so they want pleasant facilities
near at hand ashore.''


Cheers
Marty
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"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...


"''One of my discoveries,'' Mr. Crimmins said, ''is that boat owners in
this area spend more time aboard their boats at the dock than they do
aboard their boats out on the water, so they want pleasant facilities
near at hand ashore.''

Funny you should mention that. The other day I was out on the lake. There is
a largish marina, about 1/3 to 1/2 full of sailboats. Yet I never see more
than 4 sailboats out on the lake at any time. I went into the marina to get
a nice close at the boats and there were a good number of sailboats 30+ feet
long. Pacific Seacrafts, Hunters, Benetaus, Catalinas, Hans Christians, etc,
etc. Remember this is a lake. I noticed that the larger boats had their
owners aboard, all sitting and talking to each other across the dock. I even
saw a few swimming off of the swim platforms of their boats -while tied to
the dock! BBQ's on the dock, electricity, storage boxes, running water,
lights and a convenience store! The whole thing was some sort of
sub-culture, a type of social affair. The people were soft. The dock
princesses were a bit too plump, the men had guts and wore their socks
pulled all the way up.

Guess which marina?
 

Martin Baxter wrote:
"''One of my discoveries,'' Mr. Crimmins said, ''is that boat owners in
this area spend more time aboard their boats at the dock than they do
aboard their boats out on the water, so they want pleasant facilities
near at hand ashore.''



Could be any marina of course. Our marina actually closed it's club
house for good because most owners prefered to be aboard and are
usually off sailing or fishing. The club was a loss for that. But go to
Capri and see the huge sailboats that rarely go anywhere.

Then again, what kind of of fella is really worried if someone prefers
sitting on ther boat at the dock? It's their boat. We sail often, but I
don't get upset at the C&C 34XL that only races once a week for a
single evening. His boat. He's happy.


RB
35s5
NY

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"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...


"''One of my discoveries,'' Mr. Crimmins said, ''is that boat owners in
this area spend more time aboard their boats at the dock than they do
aboard their boats out on the water, so they want pleasant facilities
near at hand ashore.''

Please tell us Marty, but for the record I'm guessing it's Bubbles' marina.

Max

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Maxprop wrote:

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...


"''One of my discoveries,'' Mr. Crimmins said, ''is that boat owners in
this area spend more time aboard their boats at the dock than they do
aboard their boats out on the water, so they want pleasant facilities
near at hand ashore.''

Please tell us Marty, but for the record I'm guessing it's Bubbles' marina.

Max

Well, it's the Minneford Marina on City Island, the one Bob claims to be
in such good standing with, yet he didn't recognize the name of the
owner in the quote!

Cheers
Marty
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Read it he

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...C1A9609482 60


Aahahahahahahahaaahahahaha!!!!!

Glory!

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Bob Crantz wrote:
Read it he

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...C1A9609482 60


Aahahahahahahahaaahahahaha!!!!!

Glory!


And only 20 years ago!
Now slips have little value of course. I have two for sale.


RB
35s5
NY

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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
. ..
Read it he

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...C1A9609482 60



After reading the article, isn't it strange that RB is selling slips at 1/2
price on Craigslist when doctors and lawyers are paying through the nose for
them?

His asking prices were much, much lower than those quoted in the article -
at the same marina!

Now, if it were such a deal, wouldn't it have sold very fast? Why did he
have to keep advertising on Craigslist?

hmmm?


The non-existent 35s5?

Brokering old, abandoned junker boats?

The non existent Kia?

The non-existent real estate?

The claims of riches?

The sale of used pencils and old cables on eBay?

Was he really selling those slips or is it all just some fabrication?

http://www.osric.com/university/pathlying.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathological_liar

Yeah, that's the ticket!

Guess which marina?
 

yet he didn't recognize the name of the
owner in the quote! .



He's not the owner. The owner is a fellow named Frank who sails a
Gardener Ketch and is currently building a new marina overseas. His
ketch, Raffles Lite, is one of two teak 67 footers.

Marty, you're just sooo silly. If you doubt what I say, just call. Ask
for the fellow in charge of sailboats. You'll be given my #.

RB
35s5
NY

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Now, if it were such a deal, wouldn't it have sold very fast? Why did
he
have to keep advertising on Craigslist?


It's still for sale, Bob. 32 foot slip. 14K takes it. I also have a
40, but that's 25K. They are not easy to sell, though I've moved a few.



RB
35s5
NY

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

Now, if it were such a deal, wouldn't it have sold very fast? Why did
he
have to keep advertising on Craigslist?


It's still for sale, Bob. 32 foot slip. 14K takes it. I also have a
40, but that's 25K. They are not easy to sell, though I've moved a few.



RB
35s5
NY


http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...C1A9609482 60

TWENTY YEARS AGO:
"Yet the reason for buying expressed by Peter Simone, who owns a slip at the
Minneford Marina on City Island, is somewhat different. ''I bought the slip
for investment purposes for the same reason that one might buy a condominium
apartment,'' said Mr. Simone, who is in the bakery business in Yonkers.
''Early this year I paid $32,000 for a slip for my 24-foot cabin cruiser.
Since then, the price for an identical slip has risen to $44,000. Plus I
enjoy the use of my boat.'' Even Artemis C. Crimmins Jr., the developer of
the Minneford Marina, said he was surprised at the rise in value of the
slips. At his marina, the slips are sold on a cooperative share basis,
although offerings are being made through condominium plans and 99-year
leaseholds elsewhere in the country. "



"YEAH, THAT'S THE TICKET!"

"Back when I used to date Morgan Fairchild..."

MAJOR BUSTED!!!!!!!!!

CATACLYSMIC DOUBLE SMACKDOWN!!!!!!!

Wooooooooooooooooo - Hooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!

STI ! What a lie!

Tribeca! Another lie!

KIA - Another lie!

35s5 - Lie!

Your Corolla owned by someone who works for you! Evidence of the
pathological nature!

Yeah, that's the ticket!

Alligators in the ocean!

3000 miles from NY to NC!

That's the ticket!

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"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:32:26 -0600, "Bob Crantz"
said:

After reading the article, isn't it strange that RB is selling slips at
1/2
price on Craigslist when doctors and lawyers are paying through the nose
for
them?

His asking prices were much, much lower than those quoted in the article -
at the same marina!

Not at all surprising. The Times should be read for entertainment, not for
information. Its reporters have an uncanny ability to write the story they
imagine rather than reality. Most probably their reporter didn't talk to
anyone other than the marina and condo operators for the article.

Twenty years ago a slip "went" for $40,000. Today, RB is selling them for
$14,000 (bigger slip, same marina).

So using the time value of money, the slip really sold for $1700 back then?

Obviously someone is lying.

Are you saying RB is more credible than the NYT?

Yeah, that's the ticket!

Guess which marina?
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote:


Marty, you're just sooo silly. If you doubt what I say, just call. Ask
for the fellow in charge of sailboats. You'll be given my #.


Thanks, but no thanks. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near a marina
where the caliber of seamanship is so low that the patrons require
instructions to properly secure there vessels.

When did Arte sell? Did he get more than $20,000 per slip?

Cheers
Marty

Guess which marina?
 

I'm always shocked by the number of boats not sailing. Most of the boats are
well kept after, but seem never to go out.

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"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...


"''One of my discoveries,'' Mr. Crimmins said, ''is that boat owners in
this area spend more time aboard their boats at the dock than they do
aboard their boats out on the water, so they want pleasant facilities
near at hand ashore.''


Cheers
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Yeah, I guess that's why Bush is so upset with them about the SWIFT story.
They write fiction, right?

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"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:32:26 -0600, "Bob Crantz"
said:

After reading the article, isn't it strange that RB is selling slips at
1/2
price on Craigslist when doctors and lawyers are paying through the nose
for
them?

His asking prices were much, much lower than those quoted in the article -
at the same marina!

Not at all surprising. The Times should be read for entertainment, not for
information. Its reporters have an uncanny ability to write the story they
imagine rather than reality. Most probably their reporter didn't talk to
anyone other than the marina and condo operators for the article.

Guess which marina?
 

Dave wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:32:54 -0600, "Bob Crantz"
said:

Twenty years ago a slip "went" for $40,000. Today, RB is selling them for
$14,000 (bigger slip, same marina).

So using the time value of money, the slip really sold for $1700 back then?

Obviously someone is lying.

Are you saying RB is more credible than the NYT?

Yeah, that's the ticket!

I know the marina. Hauled my boat there winter before last. I wouldn't pay
anywhere near $40,000 for the privilege of paying more money annually to
keep a boat there.

From the pictures it looks cheap with crowded pencil thin piers.
The place has gone so far downhill for the last 20 yrs the prices of
slips has followed.

Who want's to own a cess pool pier?


I've seen RB at the marina. I've seen his ads.


have you recovered?

In this case and on this topic, yes, I'd say RB has greater credibility than
some junior reporter writing for the Times.


Not saying much. The Times is full of idiots and traitors willing to
get Americans killed to sell it's trash. Isn't M. Moore a roving
reporter for the NY Slimes?

Anyone who supports or buys a NY Times is paying to get American
killed.

(I also have a daughter who is
an occasional correspondent for one of the Times's other papers, so know at
least a bit about how these stories get written and printed.)

Bummer, I hope she found an honorable place to work.

Joe

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"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:32:54 -0600, "Bob Crantz"
said:

Twenty years ago a slip "went" for $40,000. Today, RB is selling them for
$14,000 (bigger slip, same marina).

So using the time value of money, the slip really sold for $1700 back
then?

Obviously someone is lying.

Are you saying RB is more credible than the NYT?

Yeah, that's the ticket!

I know the marina. Hauled my boat there winter before last. I wouldn't pay
anywhere near $40,000 for the privilege of paying more money annually to
keep a boat there.

I've seen RB at the marina. I've seen his ads.

In this case and on this topic, yes, I'd say RB has greater credibility
than
some junior reporter writing for the Times. (I also have a daughter who is
an occasional correspondent for one of the Times's other papers, so know
at
least a bit about how these stories get written and printed.)

What is the going price for a slip there? Is it closer to 40K or 14K?

Guess which marina?
 

Dave wrote:
In this case and on this topic, yes, I'd say RB has greater credibility than
some junior reporter writing for the Times. (I also have a daughter who is
an occasional correspondent for one of the Times's other papers, so know at
least a bit about how these stories get written and printed.)

Let's see, on one hand we have a century old news
organization that is respected world wide. On the other
hand, we have a pathological liar/internet BS artist.

But wait, the Times is wunna-them dadgum libby-rull traitor
newspapers, iddnit? Well then, case closed. We'll go with
the internet BS artist!

DSK

Guess which marina?
 

Bushco is never wrong... at least they never admit it.

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On 28 Jun 2006 13:35:02 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:24:10 -0700, "Capt. JG"
said:

Yeah, I guess that's why Bush is so upset with them about the SWIFT
story.
They write fiction, right?

My favorite section of the Times in page 2. That's where they tell you
about
the mistakes they made in the last edition, or at least the ones they have
to admit to. The corrections are hilarious. Today's said their front page
story yesterday "referred incorrectly" to the Israeli soldier that was
captured recently. The article had said he was the first to be captured.
The
correction said he was the fourth since 1990.

Note they never say they got it wrong--just that they "referred
incorrectly"
when they said one instead of four.

"Sorry, judge. I referred incorrectly to the light when I said it was
green.
It was red."

Hey, that tactic works so well for the Bush Administration, why
shouldn't the Times be allowed to use it too?

Every mistake Bush makes WRT Iraq gets blamed on "Bad Intelligence"

The only difference is that Bushco never voluntarily makes retractions
or corrections.

CWM

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I just hate to see the once-fine office of the Presidency reduced a
world-wide joke. It shames me as an American.

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"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:28:43 -0400, Charlie Morgan said:

why
shouldn't the Times be allowed to use it too?

I just sorta hate to see what that once-fine paper has become. Sulzberger
sacked his executive editor and hired a "public editor" to try to restore
some credibility after the J. Blair fiasco. Unfortunately all this seems
to
be having little impact. Looks like he needs to replace Keller too.

Guess which marina?
 

?? Too deep for me Dave.

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"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:22:06 -0700, "Capt. JG"
said:

Most of the boats are
well kept after,

And are the well kept before?

Guess which marina?
 

Real men read only the Wall Street Journal and The Economist.

Besides the bird cage value, the NYT has good crossword puzzles.

Hosanna!

Guess which marina?
 

So, you're now part of the grammar police. I see.

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"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:20:06 -0700, "Capt. JG"
said:

?? Too deep for me Dave.

Is "well kept after" a regionalism? I could understand "well kept" or
"well
looked after." But "well kept after" has a strange ring to my ear.

Guess which marina?
 

Thanks, but no thanks. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near a marina
where the caliber of seamanship is so low that the patrons require
instructions to properly secure there vessels.


Sorry, Marty, but we don't trust people to tie up their boats properly.
We don't trust them to refuel at our docks. We don't even trust them to
keep the docks clear. The condo run marina is quite strict and enforces
these rules to maintain the lowest insurance rates around. It also give
me piece of mind. How do I know if YOU can tie up your boat properly?
We make the lines and rig them our way. Seems to work as we're the
safest and busiest spot around and filled 100% again this year.


When did Arte sell? Did he get more than $20,000 per slip?


He never owned the land. Frank did even then.


RB
35s5
NY

Guess which marina?
 

Twenty years ago a slip "went" for $40,000. Today, RB is selling them
for
$14,000 (bigger slip, same marina).


And two years ago a 32 foot slip sold on Ebay for 5K. There was only
one bid. People simply prefer to rent them. Anyone who sells today will
probably only get half of their money back. The idea of slips as
"property" is simply no longer popular here, even as homes on the
Island doubled and tripled.


RB
35s5
NY

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...

Twenty years ago a slip "went" for $40,000. Today, RB is selling them
for
$14,000 (bigger slip, same marina).


And two years ago a 32 foot slip sold on Ebay for 5K. There was only
one bid. People simply prefer to rent them. Anyone who sells today will
probably only get half of their money back. The idea of slips as
"property" is simply no longer popular here, even as homes on the
Island doubled and tripled.


RB
35s5
NY


Why do you sell rapidly depreciating boat slips, old cables and abandoned
boats?

Even a used car salesman over on Delancey Street does better.

Guess which marina?
 

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
So, you're now part of the grammar police. I see.

Don't forget he's on the sock puppet patrol too. Better watch out, he may
take your armband!

Guess which marina?
 

"DSK" wrote in message
...
Let's see, on one hand we have a century old news
organization that is respected world wide.

. . . excluding the USA, apparently. Credibility and the NY Times aren't
generally used in the same sentence these days.

Max

Guess which marina?
 

Let's see, on one hand we have a century old news
organization that is respected world wide.


Maxprop wrote:
. . . excluding the USA, apparently.

You mean excluding the small percent of dumb-bells & loonies
who prefer the fantasy-land presented on right-wing
hate-talk radio. After all, the real world is a libby-rull plot!

.... Credibility and the NY Times aren't
generally used in the same sentence these days.


I wouldn't put them at the top of the list. OTOH they are
not in the "paid-for disinformation" business.

Remember, if it weren't for the Times sitting on the story
of Bush's wiretap scandal until after the election, your boy
wouldn't have won. But what have they done for you lately?

DSK

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"Capt. Rob" wrote:

Thanks, but no thanks. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near a marina
where the caliber of seamanship is so low that the patrons require
instructions to properly secure there vessels.

Sorry, Marty, but we don't trust people to tie up their boats properly.
We don't trust them to refuel at our docks. We don't even trust them to
keep the docks clear. The condo run marina is quite strict and enforces
these rules to maintain the lowest insurance rates around. It also give
me piece of mind. How do I know if YOU can tie up your boat properly?
We make the lines and rig them our way. Seems to work as we're the
safest and busiest spot around and filled 100% again this year.

You're filled 100% with slips for sale/rent, seems contradictory. What
kind of insurance company bases rates on which marina one uses? Enough
of this, you're so full of it that one can't conduct any sort of
meaningful discourse with you.

Cheers
Marty

Guess which marina?
 

You're filled 100% with slips for sale/rent, seems contradictory.

Huh? Even the slips I'm selling are full now.

What
kind of insurance company bases rates on which marina one uses?
Enough
of this, you're so full of it that one can't conduct any sort of
meaningful discourse with you.

Marty, were you born an asshole, or just someone who worked at it your
whole life? Insurance companies do indeed base their rates on incidents
at a various marinas. If a marina is robbed enough or suffers many
sinkings, rates go up. Marinas like ours must be ready for countersuits
based on claims when some pinhead ruins his own boat and makes a claim.
If he tied it up wrong and suffers damage, the insurance co. can still
come after us. And we carry insurance for that which varies according
to how few problems come along. But our systems of prevention make that
a lot tougher for people to screw up and are good protection for
everyone else who CAN tie up a boat. You seem to know nothing about
this and should just shut your big inflated yap.
Really, dude. You know nothing. It's amazing.


RB
35s5
NY

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

You're filled 100% with slips for sale/rent, seems contradictory.

Huh? Even the slips I'm selling are full now.

What
kind of insurance company bases rates on which marina one uses?
Enough
of this, you're so full of it that one can't conduct any sort of
meaningful discourse with you.

Marty, were you born an asshole, or just someone who worked at it your
whole life? Insurance companies do indeed base their rates on incidents
at a various marinas. If a marina is robbed enough or suffers many
sinkings, rates go up. Marinas like ours must be ready for countersuits
based on claims when some pinhead ruins his own boat and makes a claim.
If he tied it up wrong and suffers damage, the insurance co. can still
come after us. And we carry insurance for that which varies according
to how few problems come along. But our systems of prevention make that
a lot tougher for people to screw up and are good protection for
everyone else who CAN tie up a boat. You seem to know nothing about
this and should just shut your big inflated yap.
Really, dude. You know nothing. It's amazing.


RB
35s5
NY

What would the insurance company say when they find out that one of the
Marine Surveyors is not licensed or certified?

That one of the marina's "employees" does towing for hire without a
Captain's license?

That the marina has people working off the books?

hmmmm?

Guess which marina?
 

What would the insurance company say when they find out that one of the

Marine Surveyors is not licensed or certified?

I only due broker surveys to determine value. No insurance involved.


That one of the marina's "employees" does towing for hire without a
Captain's license?

I'm permited to operate the float boat for all service related issues.
And you'd have to read our specific contract to know what's permited
and what's not.


That the marina has people working off the books?


Who says I'm off the books? I declared barter earnings last year. Had
to since there would be no paper trail to explain how we get so much
without paying..

Guess you lose again, Bob. I'm trying to remember if you EVER win a
point.


RB
35s5
NY

Guess which marina?
 

What would the insurance company say when they find out that one of the

Marine Surveyors is not licensed or certified?

"Capt" Rob wrote:
I only due broker surveys to determine value. No insurance involved.


In other words, the buyer has to pay for a second survey for
insurance? What a deal!

Tell us exactly how you determine a boat's value, Bubbles.
Inquiring minds want to know.

DSK

Guess which marina?
 

Bob Crantz wrote:
Real men read only the Wall Street Journal and The Economist.


What about JAMA, Popular Mechanics, the Lancet, American
Rifleman?


Besides the bird cage value, the NYT has good crossword puzzles.


And you can make pirate hats!
http://www.dltk-kids.com/crafts/colu...ilors_hats.htm

I put a tinfoil liner in mine!

DSK

Guess which marina?
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote:


Marty, were you born an asshole,

Well I guess that ends that, plonk...

See ya

Guess which marina?
 

In other words, the buyer has to pay for a second survey for
insurance? What a deal!

Tell us exactly how you determine a boat's value, Bubbles.
Inquiring minds want to know.


I determine whether a boat is allowed into brokerage. I also do a
pre-survey so I can deal with outside surveyors after a deposit is left
on boats sold outside the program. We determine value like most other
brokers. We simply know the local market and communicate with other
brokers. Wanna know what a late 80's Tartan 34 sells for here? I know
the two boats that sold recently and we make notes in NADA on that.
Simple stuff.

RB
35s5
NY

Guess which marina?
 

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Bob Crantz wrote:
Real men read only the Wall Street Journal and The Economist.


What about JAMA, Popular Mechanics, the Lancet, American Rifleman?


Then we can include IEEE Biomedical Transactions, Nature, Science, JPS, etc.
Science is manly reading.


Besides the bird cage value, the NYT has good crossword puzzles.


And you can make pirate hats!
http://www.dltk-kids.com/crafts/colu...ilors_hats.htm

Look at what else fits into a pirate hat:

http://www.fatchicksinpartyhats.com/part18.shtml


I put a tinfoil liner in mine!

I just wear a WWII German helmet!


DSK

Guess which marina?
 

In other words, the buyer has to pay for a second survey for
insurance? What a deal!


No comment? I guess ripping people off for a "non-insurance
survey" is part of how you got rich?

Tell us exactly how you determine a boat's value, Bubbles.
Inquiring minds want to know.


"Capt" Rob wrote:
I determine whether a boat is allowed into brokerage.

???

.... I also do a
pre-survey so I can deal with outside surveyors after a deposit is left
on boats sold outside the program. We determine value like most other
brokers. We simply know the local market and communicate with other
brokers. Wanna know what a late 80's Tartan 34 sells for here? I know
the two boats that sold recently and we make notes in NADA on that.
Simple stuff.


In other words, you don't do anything at all that a
half-diligent owner could do for himself.

DSK

Guess which marina?
 

What about JAMA, Popular Mechanics, the Lancet, American Rifleman?



Bob Crantz wrote:
Then we can include IEEE Biomedical Transactions

That sounds interesting.

.... Nature

Seen this one, it's kind of popular-consumption fluff isn't it?


Science is manly reading.


What's JPS?

I happen to like Scientific American, they often have really
cool pictures.


Look at what else fits into a pirate hat:

http://www.fatchicksinpartyhats.com/part18.shtml


That's rude.

Funny, but rude


I put a tinfoil liner in mine!


I just wear a WWII German helmet!


Hah! I can beat that, I wear a WW1 German helmet with a
spike on the top!

http://germanhelmetsinc.com/Gallery%...0spike0002.jpg
(this one has a flat-tipped "safety spike", mine is
sharpened to a surgical edge)

Doug "We put the goose in goose-step" King