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Sedona to North Carolina
Comfort counts the most. 1960's Cadillacs were also known for comfort. Old ladies really like comfort. Yep, and so does my 66 year old father. If you account for your odometer error, you got about 12 mpg. Makes sense for driving at 110 mph. We went 455 miles (according to GPS, the trip computer reported 444.5) before refueling...and with gas to spare. The Sedona has a 21 gallon tank, perfect for long drives. Yes, the Sienna is very underpowered. The speedometer only goes up to 27 mph. Yes, Toyota has done nothing to improve the engine, even after the buggy Honda beat them in all the tests. Now they're 3rd with the new Sedona out. You paid over 28K$. We paid 27'950, more than 2K less than average! Read my Epinions.com review. GPS is a distraction. It doesn't save anything unless you are a lousy driver. Only a lousy driver would get distracted by a tiny GPS, but if you can't stay focused on the road keep the radio off as well. I'm glad you admitted to this. Don't buy a GPS or Sat. radio for your car. You put on 3,000 miles driving from NYC to North Carolina and back. That GPS does wonders! Yep, we never drove anywhere once we got to NC!!! HAHAHA! Slower? The AWD version doesn't come with an engine. That's pretty much how we felt when we test drove the newest one. I'd like to see a decent Sedona that is 3 years old - Kinda hard for a van that was introduced 5 months ago. The Sedona/Enterouge have nothing at all to do with the 2002-2005 Sedona. Those Japs are slackers! It's all over for them. The folks at Major Toyota and Toyota of New Rochelle seem to think the new Sedona is a problem for them. It's taking marketshare fast and the only thing they can now claim is a larger dealer network and better resale for now. That's not enough stacked against a far better warranty and better van. Why do you force your wife to drive an ugly car? She likes the Tribeca because it looks different. You like cars that have no personality and blend in and that's what we consider ugly. If being conventional makes you happy, that's fine. But you already said your cars make statements about yourself. Ahahahahahaha! Yes. RB 35s5 NY |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... Comfort counts the most. 1960's Cadillacs were also known for comfort. Old ladies really like comfort. Yep, and so does my 66 year old father. But does he like old ladies? If you account for your odometer error, you got about 12 mpg. Makes sense for driving at 110 mph. We went 455 miles (according to GPS, the trip computer reported 444.5) before refueling...and with gas to spare. The Sedona has a 21 gallon tank, perfect for long drives. You went 3,000 miles in 5 days. 600 a day, if you average 55 mph that's over 10 hours a day in the car driving. If you held a steady 110 mph then it is only 27 hours. You drove 1/8 of the way around the earth going to NC! Yes, the Sienna is very underpowered. The speedometer only goes up to 27 mph. Yes, Toyota has done nothing to improve the engine, even after the buggy Honda beat them in all the tests. Now they're 3rd with the new Sedona out. Toyota has recalled the engines. They want to modify them to make them worse! You paid over 28K$. We paid 27'950, more than 2K less than average! Read my Epinions.com review. You paid more than 28K. GPS is a distraction. It doesn't save anything unless you are a lousy driver. Only a lousy driver would get distracted by a tiny GPS, but if you can't stay focused on the road keep the radio off as well. I'm glad you admitted to this. Don't buy a GPS or Sat. radio for your car. GPS, cell phone, radio, nagging wife = distractions and dangers to driving. You put on 3,000 miles driving from NYC to North Carolina and back. That GPS does wonders! Yep, we never drove anywhere once we got to NC!!! HAHAHA! 1/8th the distance around the earth! In crossing 5 states! Slower? The AWD version doesn't come with an engine. That's pretty much how we felt when we test drove the newest one. You got that right. I'd like to see a decent Sedona that is 3 years old - Kinda hard for a van that was introduced 5 months ago. The Sedona/Enterouge have nothing at all to do with the 2002-2005 Sedona. Same name, same manufacturer, same engineers, same assembly plant, commonality in parts,... Those Japs are slackers! It's all over for them. The folks at Major Toyota and Toyota of New Rochelle seem to think the new Sedona is a problem for them. It's taking marketshare fast and the only thing they can now claim is a larger dealer network and better resale for now. That's not enough stacked against a far better warranty and better van. Right, all they have to do is cut the price and run KIA out. Why do you force your wife to drive an ugly car? She likes the Tribeca because it looks different. You like cars that have no personality and blend in and that's what we consider ugly. Substance beats form any day. If being conventional makes you happy, that's fine. But you already said your cars make statements about yourself. And that statement is? Ahahahahahaha! Yes. RB 35s5 NY |
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You went 3,000 miles in 5 days. 600 a day, if you average 55 mph that's over 10 hours a day in the car driving. If you held a steady 110 mph then it is only 27 hours. You drove 1/8 of the way around the earth going to NC! From PA, it's 749 miles to the beach house. But we didn't drive from PA, we only stopped there to pick up my father. We also stopped off at a few places in virginia. We were also gone from the 16th - 24th. Is that five days? Good lord, Bob. Do better, please. BTW, I drove there in 11 hours at night so Thomas could sleep through the trip. Thank god for Sirius radio. It's a shame you admitted that such things are too much for your limited focus. It really makes long drives nicer. You paid more than 28K. Well, if you really believe that than I'm even more certain we did great on the price! GPS, cell phone, radio, nagging wife = distractions and dangers to driving. Yes, to poor drivers who can't focus. You should remove everything. 1/8th the distance around the earth! In crossing 5 states! That sounds like you might have a clue until you realize that two way is over 2K easily. That's pretty much how we felt when we test drove the newest one. You got that right. Toyota will increase power for 2008. Same name, same manufacturer, same engineers, same assembly plant, commonality in parts Nope...wrong again (and again and again), Bob. The new Sedona shares no parts with the old Sedona, not even the switches or trim. And the design team and build is now Hyundai. In fact it's built side by side with the Entourage from Hyundai. It's the same van. The old Sedona was Kia's 100%. So if you agree with JD Powers that the Hyundai is the most improved car line in history, it's no wonder that the Sedona is getting reviewed as the best minivan ever. Right, all they have to do is cut the price and run KIA out. Cutting the price still won't match Kia's better engine, nicer cabin and more features. That's American car-maker thinking and you can bet Toyota is smarter than that. The new Sienna will be improved to match the Sedona. Toyota is a great company and I expect them to raise the bar yet again and soon. RB 35s5 NY |
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Capt. Rob wrote: You went 3,000 miles in 5 days. 600 a day, if you average 55 mph that's over 10 hours a day in the car driving. If you held a steady 110 mph then it is only 27 hours. You drove 1/8 of the way around the earth going to NC! From PA, it's 749 miles to the beach house. But we didn't drive from PA, we only stopped there to pick up my father. We also stopped off at a few places in virginia. We were also gone from the 16th - 24th. Is that five days? Good lord, Bob. Do better, please. BTW, I drove there in 11 hours at night so Thomas could sleep through the trip. Thank god for Sirius radio. It's a shame you admitted that such things are too much for your limited focus. It really makes long drives nicer. You paid more than 28K. Well, if you really believe that than I'm even more certain we did great on the price! GPS, cell phone, radio, nagging wife = distractions and dangers to driving. Yes, to poor drivers who can't focus. You should remove everything. 1/8th the distance around the earth! In crossing 5 states! That sounds like you might have a clue until you realize that two way is over 2K easily. That's pretty much how we felt when we test drove the newest one. You got that right. Toyota will increase power for 2008. Same name, same manufacturer, same engineers, same assembly plant, commonality in parts Nope...wrong again (and again and again), Bob. The new Sedona shares no parts with the old Sedona, not even the switches or trim. And the design team and build is now Hyundai. In fact it's built side by side with the Entourage from Hyundai. It's the same van. The old Sedona was Kia's 100%. So if you agree with JD Powers that the Hyundai is the most improved car line in history, it's no wonder that the Sedona is getting reviewed as the best minivan ever. Right, all they have to do is cut the price and run KIA out. Cutting the price still won't match Kia's better engine, nicer cabin and more features. That's American car-maker thinking and you can bet Toyota is smarter than that. The new Sienna will be improved to match the Sedona. Toyota is a great company and I expect them to raise the bar yet again and soon. RB 35s5 NY My old Nissan truck with 300,000 miles has you beat all to hell. It can go anywhere, speedo is broke so I dont worry about goin fast, it hauls all my sailin crap and I dont worry about the spilled used oil from my boats diesel in back. I can go thu the woods on any rutted path bouncin offa trees and I dont worry about scratches. It hasnt had AC in 10 years so it helps me get used to the heat here. It has a simple engine cuz all the pollution crap rusted away and fell off. You have a stereo in your veeeehicle? My gawd, thats for girls and wine sippin wimps. You gotta be able to lissen to all the machines noises to tell what its doing. Who needs a built in movie system? My kids take turns countin all the stuff on my truck that doesnt work. My daughter is convinced that when it finally dies (although I believe in automotive immoratlity) that it will go to Old Truck Paradise on Dog Island where it'll share stories of its adventures with all the other old trucks there slowly being covered with vines and drifting dunes. If that ever happens, I'll rig up a player to a small solar cell and battery to randomely serenade the old trucks with Neil Young's "Long May You Run" |
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If that ever happens, I'll rig up a player to a small solar cell and
battery to randomely serenade the old trucks with Neil Young's "Long May You Run" Get the Emmylou Harris version Frank Boettcher wrote: Brings a tear to my eye. My 1976 Datsun (that was Nissan before they figured out it was also a silly looking dog in English) Pickup truck finally died several years back. Those were great little trucks .... It had an early and feeble attempt at emission control but I left it all off when I changed a head gasket and the truck was much more efficient without it. Doubt it very seriously... you probably had a clogged line or vacuum leak long before you took it all off. Those systems were actually quite good when working properly. They were a bit on the fragile side though. Seems like I paid about $2800 for it brand new. Sold it for $600. Let's see that would be about eighty bucks a year depreciation expense. It works out to be a great deal if you break it down by ton/miles per $. Those things got pretty good gas mileage too. DSK |
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On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 07:44:22 -0400, DSK wrote:
.... It had an early and feeble attempt at emission control but I left it all off when I changed a head gasket and the truck was much more efficient without it. Doubt it very seriously... you probably had a clogged line or vacuum leak long before you took it all off. Those systems were actually quite good when working properly. They were a bit on the fragile side though. I don't know. It had the pre catcon system that injected air into the exhaust manifold just south of the exhaust valves, looking for a post cylinder burn. Had a air pump that was belted off the crank pulley. That system seemed to rely partially on a retardation or dwell of the throttle dump. When you took your foot off the pedal it would not immediately drop but slowly come down. Made it a little tricky to shift a manual. Additionally, it had a tendency to backfire excessively on deceleration. All of this from day one. Others complained of burned exhaust valves When I took it off (or more accurately didn't put it back on when I chaged the head gasket and did a valve job), it ran so much smoother. Immediate throttle dump, no more backfiring and no hesitation. Gas mileage increased by about 5 percent. So it ran more efficiently as I stated, but I can't comment on the relative emission effectivity. They didn't use that system for very long. Frank |
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