"Capt. JG" wrote in
:

I once puked coming through the companion way on my way to the side.
Another time, I got puked on when someone else should have stayed
topside but decided to go below.



Too much information!! TOO MUCH INFORMATION!!......

Yecch....

"Leanne" wrote in :

I had a friend who would leave the dock and go
to first anchorage close by, out of sight of the marina, drop the hook
and go to bed. He would get up at first light and then start his
voyage.



I also know someone who does this, but it has to do more with Girlfriend
v2.0 and Wife v1.6 than it does with Seasickness v4.5. I've seen him
heading out as we passed him in his cockpit and he looked like he hadn't
had any sleep at all....

The worst sea sickness I ever experienced was twenty years ago during a
sail from SF Bay to Drakes Bay as part of coastal navigation class.
Foolishly, I had done pretty much everything one shouldn't do: I'd been
out drinking the night before, ate a greasy meal, didn't get enough
sleep and didn't bring warm clothes.

We had long Alaskan swells off the starboard bow on the way up. I
realized I was starting to not feel well but needed to use the head. I
went below and by the time I finished I was green. I began throwing up
everything I'd ever eaten in my life. When there was nothing left in my
stomach I then alternated between dry retching and vomiting bile.

Now at that time I did not know that bile was supposed to be bright
green, like antifreeze. Seeing that made me worry I was going to die,
because obviously nothing that color should come out of a person.

After an hour of this I greatly feared I was going to die. After the
second hour I greatly feared I wasn't going to die. In fact, I would
have welcomed it. The minute we arrived at Drakes Bay and anchored in
calm water I was fine.

I've cruised a lot since then, and find that without the aid of sea
sickness drugs I'm usually unhappy for the first day or two, sometimes
I'll get sick, feel "not great" for the next two days after that, and
then am fine for the rest of the cruise.

I have tried "Sturgeron Retard" (that's the name on the box) that I
bought in Mexico and found it useful for keeping me from getting sick
for the first few days. It did make me drowsy and cause dry mouth, but
nothing too serious.

Other than that I found just about all of the home remedies useless
except for the obvious: plenty of rest, warm clothes, light foods, no
recreational drugs or alcohol, and a good frame of mind.

Cheers,

Robb




Leanne wrote:
"Donal" wrote in message
...

I'll add my opinion to all the rest.

Seasickness is 50% physical and 50% in the mind. It is triggered by
confusion between the signals from the eyes and ears(balance).


The times I have been seasick, it was when I didn't get enough rest before
getting underway. The previous day were spent running hither and yon for the
last minute provisioning, rechecking the boat, and of course the bon voyage
party. I know this varies from the original post about the cruise ship, but
getting a lot of rest and a good night's sleep before going aboard will help
as they will be well rested. I had a friend who would leave the dock and go
to first anchorage close by, out of sight of the marina, drop the hook and
go to bed. He would get up at first light and then start his voyage.

Leanne
s/v Fundy

Don White wrote:

Scotty wrote:
I have a non-boating friend who's going on a cruise next
week. He's concerned about seasickness. I told him ginger is
a good cure. I bought him a box of Ginger Snaps ( more for a
joke ). Should he start munching on these before he steps
onboard or wait till / if he feels bad?

SBV

In addition to ginger snaps, you can use ginger candy (from someplace
like the Vermont Country Store), and my mom used to swear by Canada
Dry Ginger Ale, which she said was the only REAL ginger ale - don't
know if it still is. You have to look at the ingredients to see if it
has ginger in it.

My husband swears by saltines (which he ate when he was on a destroyer
in rough seas). I like hot tea with it.


I'd start munching just before I left.
If he's on a big cruise ship, I doubt he's be feeling the same way he
would on a 33 foot sailboat with 5 foot swells on an aft quarter that
might make you pitch, yaw & roll.

There are people that get sick even on the big cruise ships - the
motion on them is more unpleasant than on a sailboat IMHO. I lot of
roll - more than what we get especially if we put up a balancing sail.
Too much motion to fill the pool (it would all splash out) and
sometimes the forward elevators don't work. If they use stabilizers
(when they have them) it slows them down.

It doesn't bother me particularly, although if it is really rough I
can't read without getting a headache, and I get a little sleepy. But
there are a lot of people who get room service, or don't eat at all.
However, the cruise ship doctor will have a patch for anyone who needs
it.

"AMPowers" wrote in message
...
The worst sea sickness I ever experienced was twenty years ago during a
sail from SF Bay to Drakes Bay as part of coastal navigation class.
Foolishly, I had done pretty much everything one shouldn't do: I'd been
out drinking the night before, ate a greasy meal, didn't get enough sleep
and didn't bring warm clothes.

We had long Alaskan swells off the starboard bow on the way up. I
realized I was starting to not feel well but needed to use the head. I
went below and by the time I finished I was green. I began throwing up
everything I'd ever eaten in my life. When there was nothing left in my
stomach I then alternated between dry retching and vomiting bile.

Now at that time I did not know that bile was supposed to be bright green,
like antifreeze. Seeing that made me worry I was going to die, because
obviously nothing that color should come out of a person.

After an hour of this I greatly feared I was going to die. After the
second hour I greatly feared I wasn't going to die. In fact, I would have
welcomed it. The minute we arrived at Drakes Bay and anchored in calm
water I was fine.

I've cruised a lot since then, and find that without the aid of sea
sickness drugs I'm usually unhappy for the first day or two, sometimes
I'll get sick, feel "not great" for the next two days after that, and then
am fine for the rest of the cruise.

I have tried "Sturgeron Retard" (that's the name on the box) that I bought
in Mexico and found it useful for keeping me from getting sick for the
first few days. It did make me drowsy and cause dry mouth, but nothing
too serious.

Other than that I found just about all of the home remedies useless except
for the obvious: plenty of rest, warm clothes, light foods, no
recreational drugs or alcohol, and a good frame of mind.

Cheers,

Robb

The turning point for me has always been when I would rather die than not
die. Then, I start to feel better. :-)

Speaking of which... I'm off to go sailing in and out of the SF bay today
and tomorrow. I don't think we'll get as far as Drakes, since it's a class.
:-)

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Donal" wrote:

My advice first of all for your friend would be - find a place to go
out on a boat in rough weather and see how you feel. How do you feel
on roller coasters and other amusement rides. If you can do those
things, you probably won't get sick on a cruise ship.


"Scotty" wrote in message
.. .
I have a non-boating friend who's going on a cruise next
week. He's concerned about seasickness. I told him ginger is
a good cure. I bought him a box of Ginger Snaps ( more for a
joke ). Should he start munching on these before he steps
onboard or wait till / if he feels bad?

I'll add my opinion to all the rest.

Seasickness is 50% physical and 50% in the mind. It is triggered by
confusion between the signals from the eyes and ears(balance).

The treatment for the physical 50% is easy. Get Stugeron. Take *half* a
tablet one hour before setting sail. A whole tablet seems to cause
uncomfortable drowsiness.

The treatment for the "in the mind" side is also quite simple. Look at the
horizon .... this will synchronise the signals from the eyes and ears. On a
sailboat, this is easy. However, on a cruise ship this will be a bit more
difficult. If it is at all rough, then you should stay on the upper decks
where you can look at the horizon if your stomach begins to feel a bit
funny. After the first 24 hours the problem is likely to dissappear.

I have only gotten motion sick a couple of times - once I had an
earache and was reading in the car. I've been on a ferry crossing
the English channel where the waves were crashing over the bow and
virtually everyone else was sick except me and my mom (my dad was
sick). My mom got us a seat where it was warm but by a window and we
drank hot tea.

My grandson who is out in his dad's power boat a lot, fishing, was on
our boat while we were bashing into the waves. There are fixed
portholes in the bow, and all the little boys (3 grandsons) were up in
the V birth watching the water splash over the portholes. They
thought it was an exciting thrill ride. This grandson got bored of it
though, and lay down on the floor to play with his Gameboy - and
promptly got sick. Lost all his cred with his cousins.

My son was getting queasy in the cockpit, but he couldn't take my
husband's usual remedy (saltines) because he'd just had his tonsils
out, and his throat was very sore.

I can get seasick in a very short time. However, I have always managed to
prevent the decent into hell by getting onto deck quickly, and concentrating
on the horizon. If I get on deck quickly enough, I am fully recovered in
under a minute. I once took 20 minutes .... and it was touch and go for
most of it!!

One of the first times we went out on our boat we were going south
from the Patuxent to the Potomac and there was a south wind which had
been blowing for some time. We left about 10 - it was a cold April
day. The tide was going out (against the wind) and the boat was
banging into the square waves and taking green water over the bow.

I was at the wheel, and I did start to get a little queasy, but Bob
kept saying that being at the helm was the best thing for me. At one
point the anchor came loose and was banging up and down on the bow.
Bob had to go out and secure it. We didn't have any jacklines, and I
knew if he went overboard I couldn't get him back, but he hung on
tight and did the job. He also had to go out a little later and take
down the staysail.

Finally about 3:30 in the afternoon, I said to him - you HAVE to take
the wheel, I can't do this anymore. So he did. I dropped a pencil,
and leaned over to pick it up, and had an moment of intense nausea
(but did not throw up), and then when I sat up, it all went away and I
was completely fine. I think the uneasy feeling I had been
experiencing was nervous tension from having to hand steer for that
length of time.



Enjoy your (non-boating friend's) cruise.



Regards


Donal

Rosalie B. wrote:
"Donal" wrote:

My advice first of all for your friend would be - find a place to go
out on a boat in rough weather and see how you feel. How do you feel
on roller coasters and other amusement rides. If you can do those
things, you probably won't get sick on a cruise ship.

"Scotty" wrote in message
...
I have a non-boating friend who's going on a cruise next
week. He's concerned about seasickness. I told him ginger is
a good cure. I bought him a box of Ginger Snaps ( more for a
joke ). Should he start munching on these before he steps
onboard or wait till / if he feels bad?
I'll add my opinion to all the rest.

Seasickness is 50% physical and 50% in the mind. It is triggered by
confusion between the signals from the eyes and ears(balance).

The treatment for the physical 50% is easy. Get Stugeron. Take *half* a
tablet one hour before setting sail. A whole tablet seems to cause
uncomfortable drowsiness.

The treatment for the "in the mind" side is also quite simple. Look at the
horizon .... this will synchronise the signals from the eyes and ears. On a
sailboat, this is easy. However, on a cruise ship this will be a bit more
difficult. If it is at all rough, then you should stay on the upper decks
where you can look at the horizon if your stomach begins to feel a bit
funny. After the first 24 hours the problem is likely to dissappear.

I have only gotten motion sick a couple of times - once I had an
earache and was reading in the car. I've been on a ferry crossing
the English channel where the waves were crashing over the bow and
virtually everyone else was sick except me and my mom (my dad was
sick). My mom got us a seat where it was warm but by a window and we
drank hot tea.

My grandson who is out in his dad's power boat a lot, fishing, was on
our boat while we were bashing into the waves. There are fixed
portholes in the bow, and all the little boys (3 grandsons) were up in
the V birth watching the water splash over the portholes. They
thought it was an exciting thrill ride. This grandson got bored of it
though, and lay down on the floor to play with his Gameboy - and
promptly got sick. Lost all his cred with his cousins.

My son was getting queasy in the cockpit, but he couldn't take my
husband's usual remedy (saltines) because he'd just had his tonsils
out, and his throat was very sore.

I can get seasick in a very short time. However, I have always managed to
prevent the decent into hell by getting onto deck quickly, and concentrating
on the horizon. If I get on deck quickly enough, I am fully recovered in
under a minute. I once took 20 minutes .... and it was touch and go for
most of it!!

One of the first times we went out on our boat we were going south
from the Patuxent to the Potomac and there was a south wind which had
been blowing for some time. We left about 10 - it was a cold April
day. The tide was going out (against the wind) and the boat was
banging into the square waves and taking green water over the bow.

I was at the wheel, and I did start to get a little queasy, but Bob
kept saying that being at the helm was the best thing for me. At one
point the anchor came loose and was banging up and down on the bow.
Bob had to go out and secure it. We didn't have any jacklines, and I
knew if he went overboard I couldn't get him back, but he hung on
tight and did the job. He also had to go out a little later and take
down the staysail.

Finally about 3:30 in the afternoon, I said to him - you HAVE to take
the wheel, I can't do this anymore. So he did. I dropped a pencil,
and leaned over to pick it up, and had an moment of intense nausea
(but did not throw up), and then when I sat up, it all went away and I
was completely fine. I think the uneasy feeling I had been
experiencing was nervous tension from having to hand steer for that
length of time.



Enjoy your (non-boating friend's) cruise.



Regards


Donal

Only times I have ever gotten queasy on a boat was in extreme heat and
humidity with lolling, glassy seas...rough weather usually provides
enough activity that you don't have time to sit and think about being
seasick...object is focus...if you focus on doing something, it will
alleviate the situation....

Donal wrote:
Seasickness is 50% physical and 50% in the mind. It is triggered by
confusion between the signals from the eyes and ears(balance).
Snip

The treatment for the "in the mind" side is also quite simple. Look
at the horizon .... this will synchronise the signals from the eyes and
ears. On a sailboat, this is easy. However, on a cruise ship this
will be a bit more difficult. If it is at all rough, then you should
stay on the upper decks where you can look at the horizon if your
?stomach begins to feel a bit funny. After the first 24 hours the
problem is likely to dissappear.

When I got seasick the first time I was working on a small (303')
top-heavy ship for NOAA going across the Atlantic. I found that after
about 6 or 7 days of misery that if I was below decks I could just
defocus my eyes when going down a passageway - just sort of look at
nothing, and the sickness would go away. After awhile of doing that it
became habit and never got seasick again.

"AMPowers" wrote
Now at that time I did not know that bile was supposed to
be bright green, like antifreeze. Seeing that made me
worry I was going to die, because obviously nothing that
color should come out of a person.

Hahahaha, kinda like the first time one eats fresh beets...

Seahag
(Never puked but came close after 36 hours on a small boat
in a hurricane with someone who did non-stop in the galley
sink.)

Thank you Sailaway. I will search for a good hypnotherapist and do it.
Additionally it would be great to have other people get the treatment
too so that collectively we might work towards a good cure. Just
imagine....how fantastic that would be!

BTW don't you differentiate hypnotherapists (fix problems, subject
fully conscious) from hypnotists? Would you need repeat sessions every
few years?

How best do I find a good one?

Any reports from hypnotherapists/hypnotists/nueropsychologists? Any of
you are sailors??

Vance, Vance, Vance....come in please, any take on this? Any stories?

From: Vance E. Lear - view profile
Date: Sun, Sep 28 1997 12:00 am
Groups: alt.sailing.asa

Hypnosis can be very effective in suppressing "Sea Sickness" without
undesirable side-effects. The problem is in finding a "hypnotist" who
has the slighttest idea of what theyare doing.

Vance E. Lear, Ph.D., Nueropsychology.

Solo Thesailor
http://sailingstoriesandtips.blogspot.com