My friend is now in her 70's and has decided to sell her J27 and slow
down quite a bit. A Nordica 30 is on her list of retirement boats.
Here's what she likes about the Nordica:

1) Very slow, easy going boat offering no challenge to her. She's got
bad joints.
2) Bad interior quality is a plus as she will redo it with her
boyfriend. He's a cabinet maker.
3) She's quit racing and the snailish Nordica will never tempt her to
race locally.
4) She is done with long range cruising and the primitive Nordica
interior will be a large closet for her at best.
5) Investment is not an issue. She'll die with this boat...especially
in lighter air.
6) Poor upwind ability is not an issue. She wants to sail downwind and
avoid heeling.
7) Prices for these boats are typically quite low. 3 links all show
under 20K, which is very cheap for a 30 foot boat. A nice Catalina 30
is a lot more.

Any tips for her? I'll forward them.

Thanks,

RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

My friend is now in her 70's and has decided to sell her J27 and slow
down quite a bit. A Nordica 30 is on her list of retirement boats.
Here's what she likes about the Nordica:

Obvoiusly a woman of refined tastes.

1) Very slow, easy going boat offering no challenge to her. She's got
bad joints.

Even better... the vessel almost sails itself. It's very forgiving and the
real teak hand rail placement make for secure entry to the warm wood
interior.

2) Bad interior quality is a plus as she will redo it with her
boyfriend. He's a cabinet maker.

Oh perfect.... he'll have no end of enjoyable shipboard projects. Have you
ever seen a vessel that wasn't a series of projects?. Well okay those
bleach bottle knock-offs with the shelf liner interior that mimic the
functionality of a Mac26X interior don't count.... but who the heck would
plunk down cash for one of those?

3) She's quit racing and the snailish Nordica will never tempt her to
race locally.

Wonderful.... this will only result in having her squeal with pleasure when
she easily passes a french import! Tell her to leave a few spots open on her
well adorned trophy cabinet... without even trying I won 4 trophys on mine.

4) She is done with long range cruising and the primitive Nordica
interior will be a large closet for her at best.

Primitive is a wonderful adjective.... pure simplicity in form and
function. This allows for a vessel that even berft of all the
electro-nautical gizmos... still undertakes with grace & power the task it
was designed to do.


5) Investment is not an issue. She'll die with this boat...especially
in lighter air.

When sufficent funds are not an issue.... neither is investment. Once she
has sailed this type of boat.... there will no longer be the self doubt and
second guessing involved with so many of those "off the rack" vessels. If
she's looking for the "last boat"... she can't do better than the Nordica.

6) Poor upwind ability is not an issue. She wants to sail downwind and
avoid heeling.

Well then... she'll be delightfully surprised with the upwind performance
and absolutly smitten with the elegance of a balanced vessel downwind.

7) Prices for these boats are typically quite low. 3 links all show
under 20K, which is very cheap for a 30 foot boat. A nice Catalina 30
is a lot more.

Only a few of these vessels were ever produced.... in 3 Models. It seems the
lower cost models were generally abused and quickly dumped on the U.S.
market. I looked at 4 in Canada before buying mine.... which happens to best
their top of the line model. You can tell this by the stainless and teak
bowsprit and pair of stainless 30lb CQRs, oversized rigging and cleats.


Any tips for her? I'll forward them.

Yes... shop in Canada. She could also look into a Halman27.


Thanks,

Heh.. No Problem!

CM-

Obvoiusly a woman of refined tastes.


Actually, she doesn't like the Nordica after sailing it. She's now
looking at a Pearson 30 and Birstol 30 which costs about the same and
are faster.


Even better... the vessel almost sails itself.

True, but she still likes to sail, so a boat so slow and steady looks
to be too much so for her.


Oh perfect.... he'll have no end of enjoyable shipboard projects. Have
you
ever seen a vessel that wasn't a series of projects?.


Sure I have. My 35s5 has a beautiful interior that wows everyone who
comes aboard. You can also buy a Tartan or Sabre with proper woodwork
of course, though you have the weight penalty.

but who the heck would
plunk down cash for one of those?

Someone who wants to sail more than refinish teak. But even my boat has
too much real teak below, though at least the bulkheads had to be
veneers since they are honeycomb to save weight beneath. That's form
and function.


3) She's quit racing and the snailish Nordica will never tempt her to
race locally.

Wonderful.... this will only result in having her squeal with pleasure
when
she easily passes a french import!


Sadly, she found the boat sailed just like it's rating of 198 implied.
She's not going to pass any Catalina 30's let alone French boats. She
was hoping for better performance.


Tell her to leave a few spots open on her
well adorned trophy cabinet... without even trying I won 4 trophys on
mine.

She's a former J27 owner and racer. She has more silver at home and at
CIYC than any three good racers!


Primitive is a wonderful adjective.... pure simplicity in form and
function.

Still, in spite of what I told her, she was shocked by the shoddy
workmanship on the Nordica. She said, "I want to sail, not restore
someone's bad sailing O'Day 30 with a full keel." Harsh words, but true
enough.

Once she
has sailed this type of boat.... there will no longer be the self doubt
and
second guessing involved with so many of those "off the rack"
vessels.

She's now looking at a Bristol which is superior to the Nordica in evey
way.

Well then... she'll be delightfully surprised with the upwind performance
and absolutly smitten with the elegance of a balanced vessel downwind.


Not by a the standards of a person who raced J27's, First 36.7s and
other true performance boats. She's also sailed many full keel boats
and considers the Nordica worse than the Island Packet 31, which I
don't agree with. The IP is better built, but even slower.


which happens to best
their top of the line model. You can tell this by the stainless and
teak
bowsprit and pair of stainless 30lb CQRs, oversized rigging and cleats.


The boat she sea trialed was from Canada, trucked here three years ago.
It's very nice looking...until you get close.


Yes... shop in Canada. She could also look into a Halman27.

After sailing the Nordica, Brenda said, "I may be old, but I'm not
dead."
BTW, she loves the performance of my boat and the amazing interior. But
it's too big for her needs and 32s5s are very rare indeed.


Thanks again!


RB
35s5
NY

You are so totally out of your league here... and this shoddy piece of
flotsam you just presented in reply to my eloquent and witty response to
your troll... is glaring proof.

For cripes sake you're getting slow and lazy.... take this POS reply back
and rewrite it and repost it when you can provide some wit, humour and
rhetoric.

....and no whining or crying about it!

Good Grief!

CM-

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

Obvoiusly a woman of refined tastes.


Actually, she doesn't like the Nordica after sailing it. She's now
looking at a Pearson 30 and Birstol 30 which costs about the same and
are faster.


Even better... the vessel almost sails itself.

True, but she still likes to sail, so a boat so slow and steady looks
to be too much so for her.


Oh perfect.... he'll have no end of enjoyable shipboard projects. Have
you
ever seen a vessel that wasn't a series of projects?.


Sure I have. My 35s5 has a beautiful interior that wows everyone who
comes aboard. You can also buy a Tartan or Sabre with proper woodwork
of course, though you have the weight penalty.

but who the heck would
plunk down cash for one of those?

Someone who wants to sail more than refinish teak. But even my boat has
too much real teak below, though at least the bulkheads had to be
veneers since they are honeycomb to save weight beneath. That's form
and function.


3) She's quit racing and the snailish Nordica will never tempt her to
race locally.

Wonderful.... this will only result in having her squeal with pleasure
when
she easily passes a french import!


Sadly, she found the boat sailed just like it's rating of 198 implied.
She's not going to pass any Catalina 30's let alone French boats. She
was hoping for better performance.


Tell her to leave a few spots open on her
well adorned trophy cabinet... without even trying I won 4 trophys on
mine.

She's a former J27 owner and racer. She has more silver at home and at
CIYC than any three good racers!


Primitive is a wonderful adjective.... pure simplicity in form and
function.

Still, in spite of what I told her, she was shocked by the shoddy
workmanship on the Nordica. She said, "I want to sail, not restore
someone's bad sailing O'Day 30 with a full keel." Harsh words, but true
enough.

Once she
has sailed this type of boat.... there will no longer be the self doubt
and
second guessing involved with so many of those "off the rack"
vessels.

She's now looking at a Bristol which is superior to the Nordica in evey
way.

Well then... she'll be delightfully surprised with the upwind
performance
and absolutly smitten with the elegance of a balanced vessel downwind.


Not by a the standards of a person who raced J27's, First 36.7s and
other true performance boats. She's also sailed many full keel boats
and considers the Nordica worse than the Island Packet 31, which I
don't agree with. The IP is better built, but even slower.


which happens to best
their top of the line model. You can tell this by the stainless and
teak
bowsprit and pair of stainless 30lb CQRs, oversized rigging and cleats.


The boat she sea trialed was from Canada, trucked here three years ago.
It's very nice looking...until you get close.


Yes... shop in Canada. She could also look into a Halman27.

After sailing the Nordica, Brenda said, "I may be old, but I'm not
dead."
BTW, she loves the performance of my boat and the amazing interior. But
it's too big for her needs and 32s5s are very rare indeed.


Thanks again!


RB
35s5
NY

and this shoddy piece of
flotsam you just presented in reply to my eloquent and witty response
to
your troll... is glaring proof.



What are you babbling about now? I have NOT sailed a Nordica 30, nor
would I ever want to. I only posted the reaction of Brenda to tested
out the boat yesterday. He opinion of the boat does not conflict with
yours.

1) Poor construction below
2) "Boat sails itself" means dull sailing
3) Slow boat, ideal for some elderly folk, but too slow for Brenda.

She doesn't like it. Why should this be a problem for you? If you're
actually happy with the Nordica 30, that's great. Learn from Scotty. He
owns one of the worst boats ever made, yet he feels he has the boat he
deserves.


RB
35s5
NY

"Swab Rob" wrote

What are you babbling about now? I have NOT sailed, nor
would I ever want to.

Yulp.


I only posted the reaction of Brenda to tested
out the boat yesterday. He opinion of the boat does not
conflict with
yours.


''Brenda''? ''he''? Oh, one of 'your' kind.

SV

--
"Swab Rob" wrote

The boat she sea trialed was from Canada, trucked here
three years ago.


On the yard trailer no doubt.

S