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Capt. Rob June 14th 06 12:52 PM

My Swimming Skills
 
As interest in Bobsprit swells, I think it's best to be clear about
some things, even if my participation here will be quite limited here
for the next few months....

While everyone here is suddenly a retired Mark Spitz who repairs cruise
ship propellers underwater and using sea sponges for air....I'll
actually define my swimming ability honestly.

I currently weigh in an 215 lbs at 6'3 tall. My upper body is comprised
of longer muscle strands, which gives me good initial power well beyond
that of most men. At the age of 12 I passed a swimming test for
certificate allowing me to join in advanced water sports at PA private
camps. I was one of the youngest to pass.

Currently I'd rate my swimming ability as "good" but not exceptional.
There are folks who get to swim everyday. That means their muscles are
really in shape for that specific activity. No part time swimmer can
match this. I clean my own keel and can hold my breath longer than most
people. Under reasonable temps I could swim from even the widest point
of the LIS back to shore, which I think is a very basic capability for
folks who singlehand coastal. You should be able to swim a few miles
with ease and I don't think it's unreasonable for every sailor to be
capable of swimming 5-8 miles at least.
I'm not a fast swimmer, but I'm strong in the water and confident. Two
years ago we had a friend swimming near the boat suffer a panic attack.
It instantly eshausted him, but I was easily able to pull him from the
water. If you can't do this you shouldn't be on the water.

RB
35s5
NY


RB
35s5
NY


Capt. Rob June 14th 06 01:11 PM

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The river out front is about 1 mile wide and I regularly swim over to
visit friends on the other side..yes, there are sharks in that river,
but I just throw em aside if they take me on.



That's great...I wish I could do that. My fear of sharks borders on
illogical. Even here I worry about them. I saw Jaws too young and it
effected me forever. Yet I have no fear of bears, which is a much more
dangerous animal and I've certainly been around enough of them.
When I clean the keel here I've really spooked myself numerous times,
trying to see into the deeper water and imagining that snout of teeth
suddenly coming at me. I finish the job and get the hell out of the
water. The fear is also quite tiring physically.
I've toyed with doing a shark dive in Florida to deal with it, but
haven't worked up the courage yet.


RB
35s5
NY


katy June 14th 06 02:29 PM

My Swimming Skills
 
OzOne wrote:
On 14 Jun 2006 05:11:46 -0700, "Capt. Rob"
scribbled thusly:

The river out front is about 1 mile wide and I regularly swim over to
visit friends on the other side..yes, there are sharks in that river,
but I just throw em aside if they take me on.



That's great...I wish I could do that. My fear of sharks borders on
illogical. Even here I worry about them. I saw Jaws too young and it
effected me forever. Yet I have no fear of bears, which is a much more
dangerous animal and I've certainly been around enough of them.
When I clean the keel here I've really spooked myself numerous times,
trying to see into the deeper water and imagining that snout of teeth
suddenly coming at me. I finish the job and get the hell out of the
water. The fear is also quite tiring physically.
I've toyed with doing a shark dive in Florida to deal with it, but
haven't worked up the courage yet.


RB
35s5
NY

Bears scare the **** out of me....yet I've only seen a few in the
wild.
One in the skifields this winter when I went off piste with a couple
of friends and came across one wandering around in the snow.
******* should have been asleep!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.


Bears aren't nearly as scary as sharks. I'd rather be around a bear
than a shark any day. (except for polar bears..they're a different
story...)

katy June 14th 06 02:58 PM

My Swimming Skills
 
Scotty wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...
Bears aren't nearly as scary as sharks. I'd rather be

around a bear
than a shark any day. (except for polar bears..they're a

different
story...)



I worry about bare sharks.

Scotty


Me, too....

katy June 14th 06 02:59 PM

My Swimming Skills
 
Scotty wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...
Bears aren't nearly as scary as sharks. I'd rather be

around a bear
than a shark any day. (except for polar bears..they're a

different
story...)



I worry about bare sharks.

Scotty


I guess in the long run, I'd rather just have a heart attack in my bed
one night or drop dead in the street....

Scotty June 14th 06 02:59 PM

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"katy" wrote in message
...
Bears aren't nearly as scary as sharks. I'd rather be

around a bear
than a shark any day. (except for polar bears..they're a

different
story...)



I worry about bare sharks.

Scotty



Bob Crantz June 14th 06 03:31 PM

My Swimming Skills
 
I've dealt with bears on a daily basis. If you run at black bears and shoo
them they run away. Once has a troublesome bear ripping open the dumpster
and turning it over every night. I went after it at night with the bow and
hit it with a few archery blunts. I've hunted and shot a few.

Avoid bears with cubs and grizzlies. Out in the Cascades you can't see bears
as easily as in the Rockies. Usually the cub will shoot up a tree and you
know the mother is right below. Steer clear of it.

The most trouble I've ever had is with domestic dogs. I've been bitten
several times especially when on a bike. Wild animals are the least of your
worries.



Capt. Rob June 14th 06 03:33 PM

My Swimming Skills
 
Bears aren't nearly as scary as sharks. I'd rather be around a bear
than a shark any day.


Chances are good that you've been in the water fairly close to some
large sharks. They are everywhere. But even in the water with a
"maneater" it's not likely you'd get attacked or even know the animal
is there.

If you stumble across a Black, Brown or Grizzly bear you can have a
serious problem. Bears can attack over territory, fear, young nearby or
even if they're hungry enough. As Ozzy points out, it's probably a
slower death with more pain.

But to me the shark is a real "monster." It's just as frightening as
any movie monster, perhaps worse in that it inhabits our dreams as well
as nightmares. The shark also hides from us, in a place we generally
view as recreational, even romantic. Attacked in the water, the human
being could hardly be more naked and vulnerable.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=J4YjmwCs6...shark%20attack
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9lgfRQi8P...shark%20attack


RB
35s5
NY


katy June 14th 06 03:36 PM

My Swimming Skills
 
Bob Crantz wrote:
I've dealt with bears on a daily basis. If you run at black bears and shoo
them they run away. Once has a troublesome bear ripping open the dumpster
and turning it over every night. I went after it at night with the bow and
hit it with a few archery blunts. I've hunted and shot a few.

Avoid bears with cubs and grizzlies. Out in the Cascades you can't see bears
as easily as in the Rockies. Usually the cub will shoot up a tree and you
know the mother is right below. Steer clear of it.

The most trouble I've ever had is with domestic dogs. I've been bitten
several times especially when on a bike. Wild animals are the least of your
worries.


I've had lots of experiences of the close up and personal with bears,
also. Was trapped in a UP outhouse for several hours while one traipsed
around outside...was one of the high points of my life (NOT...even 3
minutes in a primitive outhouse is 3 too many...)....

Bob Crantz June 14th 06 03:50 PM

My Swimming Skills
 
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...67/detail.html



Bob Crantz June 14th 06 03:51 PM

My Swimming Skills
 
http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/fish/sharks...elariskdog.htm



katy June 14th 06 04:15 PM

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Bob Crantz wrote:
http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/fish/sharks...elariskdog.htm


Relatively there are less attacks by dog on man than shark on man
becasue of the exposure level...how many sharks do you encounter on a
day to day basis vs dogs? Work out percentages....

Scotty June 14th 06 06:26 PM

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"Swab Rob" wrote
But to me the shark is a real "monster." It's just as

frightening as
any movie monster, perhaps worse in that it inhabits our

dreams as well
as nightmares.



Hoo boy! this is priceless . frightened by movie monsters?
Shark nightmares?

This could help explain some of dip****s' behavioral
problems.

SV



Joe June 14th 06 06:28 PM

My Swimming Skills
 

Scotty wrote:
"Swab Rob" wrote
But to me the shark is a real "monster." It's just as

frightening as
any movie monster, perhaps worse in that it inhabits our

dreams as well
as nightmares.



Hoo boy! this is priceless . frightened by movie monsters?
Shark nightmares?

This could help explain some of dip****s' behavioral
problems.

SV


Also.... it might explain that big lump in his diaper!

Joe


Scotty June 14th 06 06:40 PM

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"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com..
..

Scotty wrote:
"Swab Rob" wrote
But to me the shark is a real "monster." It's just as

frightening as
any movie monster, perhaps worse in that it inhabits

our
dreams as well
as nightmares.



Hoo boy! this is priceless . frightened by movie

monsters?
Shark nightmares?

This could help explain some of dip****s' behavioral
problems.

SV


Also.... it might explain that big lump in his diaper!


that's BB.



Maxprop June 14th 06 10:27 PM

My Swimming Skills
 

"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Swab Rob" wrote
But to me the shark is a real "monster." It's just as

frightening as
any movie monster, perhaps worse in that it inhabits our

dreams as well
as nightmares.



Hoo boy! this is priceless . frightened by movie monsters?
Shark nightmares?


Don't forget that sharks probably look far scarier on a 13" B&W than on a
big screen in color.

Max



Maxprop June 14th 06 10:28 PM

My Swimming Skills
 

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:29:08 -0400, katy
scribbled thusly:

Bears aren't nearly as scary as sharks. I'd rather be around a bear
than a shark any day. (except for polar bears..they're a different
story...)


You know what I see as the difference?

A shark that will attack and kill you is usually fairly big.
They chomp you in half, or take a limb and swim off.
You die quite quickly and with little or no pain as shock takes care
of that pretty fast.

A bear, will devour you piece by little piece as you squirm under him,
held solidly by those claws.

Me, I'll take the quick way.


Knock yourself out. I'll opt for neither.

Max



Maxprop June 14th 06 10:30 PM

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"katy" wrote in message
...


I've had lots of experiences of the close up and personal with bears,
also. Was trapped in a UP outhouse for several hours while one traipsed
around outside...was one of the high points of my life (NOT...even 3
minutes in a primitive outhouse is 3 too many...)....


That wasn't a bear--that was just Marv.

Max



Maxprop June 14th 06 10:32 PM

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"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"katy" wrote in message
...
Bears aren't nearly as scary as sharks. I'd rather be

around a bear
than a shark any day. (except for polar bears..they're a

different
story...)



I worry about bare sharks.


It's those bears with big, shark claws that bother me.

Max



Maxprop June 14th 06 10:32 PM

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"katy" wrote in message
...
Scotty wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...
Bears aren't nearly as scary as sharks. I'd rather be

around a bear
than a shark any day. (except for polar bears..they're a

different
story...)



I worry about bare sharks.

Scotty


I guess in the long run, I'd rather just have a heart attack in my bed one
night or drop dead in the street....


I'm more likely to die on A-dock from an overdose of rum.

Max



katy June 14th 06 10:54 PM

My Swimming Skills
 
Maxprop wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...


I've had lots of experiences of the close up and personal with bears,
also. Was trapped in a UP outhouse for several hours while one traipsed
around outside...was one of the high points of my life (NOT...even 3
minutes in a primitive outhouse is 3 too many...)....


That wasn't a bear--that was just Marv.

Max


snort coulda been...he still cooped up in his floating xodo?

katy June 14th 06 10:56 PM

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Maxprop wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...
Scotty wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...
Bears aren't nearly as scary as sharks. I'd rather be
around a bear
than a shark any day. (except for polar bears..they're a
different
story...)

I worry about bare sharks.

Scotty


I guess in the long run, I'd rather just have a heart attack in my bed one
night or drop dead in the street....


I'm more likely to die on A-dock from an overdose of rum.

Max


That's probably quite an accurate prediction...better be careful...think
of who may give you mouth-to-mouth...

Capt.Mooron June 15th 06 12:30 AM

My Swimming Skills
 
Absolutely correct statement..... and obviously from someone experienced in
the wilderness.

CM

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
. ..
I've dealt with bears on a daily basis. If you run at black bears and shoo
them they run away. Once has a troublesome bear ripping open the dumpster
and turning it over every night. I went after it at night with the bow and
hit it with a few archery blunts. I've hunted and shot a few.

Avoid bears with cubs and grizzlies. Out in the Cascades you can't see
bears as easily as in the Rockies. Usually the cub will shoot up a tree
and you know the mother is right below. Steer clear of it.

The most trouble I've ever had is with domestic dogs. I've been bitten
several times especially when on a bike. Wild animals are the least of
your worries.





Scotty June 15th 06 01:15 AM

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"katy" wrote in message


I guess in the long run, I'd rather just have a heart

attack in my bed one
night ....



Me too, while I'm having sex at age 98.
;)





Maxprop June 15th 06 03:46 AM

My Swimming Skills
 

"katy" wrote in message
...
Maxprop wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...


I've had lots of experiences of the close up and personal with bears,
also. Was trapped in a UP outhouse for several hours while one traipsed
around outside...was one of the high points of my life (NOT...even 3
minutes in a primitive outhouse is 3 too many...)....


That wasn't a bear--that was just Marv.

Max

snort coulda been...he still cooped up in his floating xodo?


Now he has a 15' Boston Whaler with a 60hp 4-stroke outboard. He and Roni
spend a lot more time on that than on the 42. Or didn't you know they
bought a 42 footer?

Max



Maxprop June 15th 06 03:47 AM

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"katy" wrote in message
...
Maxprop wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...
Scotty wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...
Bears aren't nearly as scary as sharks. I'd rather be
around a bear
than a shark any day. (except for polar bears..they're a
different
story...)

I worry about bare sharks.

Scotty


I guess in the long run, I'd rather just have a heart attack in my bed
one night or drop dead in the street....


I'm more likely to die on A-dock from an overdose of rum.

Max

That's probably quite an accurate prediction...better be careful...think
of who may give you mouth-to-mouth...


Niki or Skye. No one else would, except, perhaps, my wife.

Max



Maxprop June 15th 06 03:47 AM

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"Scotty" wrote in message
...


"katy" wrote in message


I guess in the long run, I'd rather just have a heart

attack in my bed one
night ....



Me too, while I'm having sex at age 98.


With a 114 year old?

Max



Maxprop June 15th 06 03:48 AM

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"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:s_0kg.54998$S61.54754@edtnps90...
Absolutely correct statement..... and obviously from someone experienced
in the wilderness.


Ya think Mr. Crantz eats raw kidney, too?

Max



Scotty June 15th 06 04:09 AM

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Scotty" wrote in message
...


"katy" wrote in message


I guess in the long run, I'd rather just have a heart

attack in my bed one
night ....



Me too, while I'm having sex at age 98.


With a 114 year old?


Two 57s.





Capt. JG June 15th 06 04:56 AM

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Bzzzzt... four 28-1/2 year olds.

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"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Scotty" wrote in message
...


"katy" wrote in message


I guess in the long run, I'd rather just have a heart
attack in my bed one
night ....


Me too, while I'm having sex at age 98.


With a 114 year old?


Two 57s.







Scotty June 15th 06 05:28 AM

My Swimming Skills
 
That would kill me now!

or Lisa would if she found out.


Scotty


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Bzzzzt... four 28-1/2 year olds.

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"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Maxprop" wrote in message

nk.net...

"Scotty" wrote in message
...


"katy" wrote in message


I guess in the long run, I'd rather just have a

heart
attack in my bed one
night ....


Me too, while I'm having sex at age 98.

With a 114 year old?


Two 57s.









Capt. JG June 15th 06 09:17 AM

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Both of us. But, the two 57s would be ok?

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"Scotty" wrote in message
...
That would kill me now!

or Lisa would if she found out.


Scotty


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Bzzzzt... four 28-1/2 year olds.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Maxprop" wrote in message

nk.net...

"Scotty" wrote in message
...


"katy" wrote in message


I guess in the long run, I'd rather just have a

heart
attack in my bed one
night ....


Me too, while I'm having sex at age 98.

With a 114 year old?

Two 57s.











DSK June 15th 06 12:07 PM

My Swimming Skills
 
"Bob Crantz" wrote
I've dealt with bears on a daily basis. If you run at black bears and shoo
them they run away. Once has a troublesome bear ripping open the dumpster
and turning it over every night. I went after it at night with the bow and
hit it with a few archery blunts. I've hunted and shot a few.


Here in the east, Indian boys used to wrestle with black
bears for fun. Although Daniel Boone bragged about killing
one with just a knife, a real woodsman would not be
impressed by this. Black bears are not aggressive nor do
they get very big. Some years ago a neighbor of ours had one
that came in her yard and ate her dog's food.... this
particular dog was overfed anyway and didn't care, in fact
the neighbor said he enjoyed the company.

In these parts bears are not as dangerous as boars... or ticks!


Avoid bears with cubs and grizzlies. Out in the Cascades you can't see
bears as easily as in the Rockies. Usually the cub will shoot up a tree
and you know the mother is right below. Steer clear of it.

The most trouble I've ever had is with domestic dogs. I've been bitten
several times especially when on a bike. Wild animals are the least of
your worries.


There are more wild animals in NYC than there are in the
deepest woods.


Capt.Mooron wrote:
Absolutely correct statement..... and obviously from someone experienced in
the wilderness.


The worst hazards of the wilderness are not the things most
people worry about... true of life in general.

There's a story from some years back about a tourist lady in
Yellowstone who told her little kid to go pick up a cute
little bear cub, so she could take a picture of them
together. She got some great pictures, too.

DSK


Bob Crantz June 15th 06 02:13 PM

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:s_0kg.54998$S61.54754@edtnps90...
Absolutely correct statement..... and obviously from someone experienced
in the wilderness.


Ya think Mr. Crantz eats raw kidney, too?

Max

I grew up eating lots of game and organ meat. I don't eat organ meat anymore
with the exception of heart muscle. I also eat raw fish and beef, it really
helps muscle recovery.

I do not understand why everyone heckles Mooron. His experiences are unique
to most here and he's usually right about everything.

Amen!



Bob Crantz June 15th 06 02:15 PM

My Swimming Skills
 
In your case 10.36 11 yr olds!



Frank Boettcher June 15th 06 02:57 PM

My Swimming Skills
 
On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:31:04 -0600, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:

I've dealt with bears on a daily basis. If you run at black bears and shoo
them they run away. Once has a troublesome bear ripping open the dumpster
and turning it over every night. I went after it at night with the bow and
hit it with a few archery blunts. I've hunted and shot a few.

Avoid bears with cubs and grizzlies. Out in the Cascades you can't see bears
as easily as in the Rockies. Usually the cub will shoot up a tree and you
know the mother is right below. Steer clear of it.

The most trouble I've ever had is with domestic dogs. I've been bitten
several times especially when on a bike. Wild animals are the least of your
worries.



As an individual who runs 300 plus days a year an average of 5.5 miles
per run, often on woods trails, I'm much more concerned with dogs than
any other animal, wild or domestic.

However, the recent report of a women runner in Florida eaten by an
alligator was a little alarming.

I've been eyeball to eyeball with sharks. They do not concern me.

Frank

Capt. Rob June 15th 06 03:25 PM

My Swimming Skills
 

I do not understand why everyone heckles Mooron. His experiences are
unique
to most here and he's usually right about everything.



Bob, the man bought a Nordica 30...a boat KNOWN to be poorly built. He
even says so on his own website.
It's kinda hard to take him seriously, though I respect him for usually
having some kind of opinion, compared to folks like Doug, Scotty and
Katy who run around repeating stuff they heard or read.
I've reduced Scotty to simply tagging all of my threads. He used to be
original and funny. Ahh well.

RB
35s5
NY


Capt. JG June 15th 06 07:00 PM

My Swimming Skills
 
I read somewhere that crocks move quite quickly, but can't turn, so the
strategy is to turn while running...

Serpentine Shelly. Serpentine!

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"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:31:04 -0600, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:

I've dealt with bears on a daily basis. If you run at black bears and shoo
them they run away. Once has a troublesome bear ripping open the dumpster
and turning it over every night. I went after it at night with the bow and
hit it with a few archery blunts. I've hunted and shot a few.

Avoid bears with cubs and grizzlies. Out in the Cascades you can't see
bears
as easily as in the Rockies. Usually the cub will shoot up a tree and you
know the mother is right below. Steer clear of it.

The most trouble I've ever had is with domestic dogs. I've been bitten
several times especially when on a bike. Wild animals are the least of
your
worries.



As an individual who runs 300 plus days a year an average of 5.5 miles
per run, often on woods trails, I'm much more concerned with dogs than
any other animal, wild or domestic.

However, the recent report of a women runner in Florida eaten by an
alligator was a little alarming.

I've been eyeball to eyeball with sharks. They do not concern me.

Frank




Capt. JG June 15th 06 07:00 PM

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11 will get you 20.

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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
...
In your case 10.36 11 yr olds!




RCE June 15th 06 07:54 PM

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...

I read somewhere that crocks move quite quickly, but can't turn, so the
strategy is to turn while running...

Serpentine Shelly. Serpentine!


A myth. If you're within 20 feet of a big crock or alligator and he's
hungry or ****ed, you're toast.

RCE

www.eisboch.com




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