On the Hans Horrevoets incident.
 

Ah well...fine by me too!

Capt Suzy and the Rugrat
Ashamed Kia Passenger
35s5
Whore for Gold
Chitty Island
NY

On the Hans Horrevoets incident.
 

Frank wrote:
Sorry, guys, I gotta disagree.

First and foremost, I sympathize with his family. A terrible loss for
them. I also don't fault the crew for their MOB procedures. I'm sure
they did everything possible.

However, I don't see that the interview truly explains why he wasn't
harnessed. Like Oz1 sez, downhill in high seas and 25+ knots flying the
chute in cold water.

Actually they weren't. The weather was relatively calm when
the incident started. The wind kicked up and while the crew
was dealing with it, they rotated thru putting on their
harnesses and Hans was the last one.


... Everyone should have been harnessed before
starting their watch, not thinking "Ah, it's ok. We can go below and
get harnessed and come back on deck if/when it deteriorates." These are
experienced, professional racers. They were too casual and it cost his
family everything.


I agree but the flip side of the coin is to be harnessed in
24/7/365 which also doesn't work.

No matter what safety procedures are followed, no matter how
rigorously, there will always be accidents. What about the
young sailor whose harness broke in the Sydney-Hobart?


"The sea will claim its own" is not applicable here. This was his
fault, not the ocean's. "He died doing what he loved." Would have been
more fun for him and his family if he'd continued to live, doing what
he loved and taking care of those he loved.


I agree again, but I don't have your faith in a perfectable
world... certainly not at sea. Could they have been more
careful? Yes, certainly. Racing sailboats around the world
is not an inherently safe endeavor, though. What happened
was a given risk... minimizable but not totally avoidable.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

On the Hans Horrevoets incident.
 

OzOne wrote:
Still think that in water that cold, I'd opt to click in all the time
especially when playing a chute.


I'd like to think that I would too. But I've spent a couple
nights trying to sleep, huddled on the rail in a harness....
and hate the damn things.

Another point is that these guys had sailed almost all the
way around the world... in other words, complacent.



No matter what safety procedures are followed, no matter how
rigorously, there will always be accidents. What about the
young sailor whose harness broke in the Sydney-Hobart?



That was shown to be a faulty harness incorrectly labelled as
conforming to Aust Standards. IIRC, the stitching did not comply.


Right, but how is one to know? It's no good thinking that
one bulletproof just because one is *always* harnessed on.

That's why they're called "accidents."



OTOH, I have had a fully compliant 5 yo harness fail in very similar
circumstances but in the warm waters off the Oz coast in summer.


That sounds like it could have been a religious experience


Sometimes...it's your turn :-(


And then there's taxes

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

On the Hans Horrevoets incident.
 

Joe, is now posting as Suzy...



You just figured that out today, asswipe?




I think it's important to remember that your dead mother was an
asswipe, like her mother before her and you're a fag who's wife is
forced to do anal online with dogs.
It's also important to remember that you're a total failure in life who
sails a sad boat that the few friends you have told you not to buy. Oh,
and Joe is posting as Suzy and signing off as Joe. He's soooo retarded
(like your dead dad)!!!!

Seriously, Scotty. You're a loser.


RB
35s5
NY

On the Hans Horrevoets incident.
 

Time Out Rob.
After that temper tantrum you need to put on your dunce hat and go sit
in the corner.

How rude

Capt. Suzy
35s5
NY

Ahoy Bob Crantz
 

Would you consider the below post as vulgar?

SBV


"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
Joe, is now posting as Suzy...



You just figured that out today, asswipe?




I think it's important to remember that your dead mother
was an
asswipe, like her mother before her and you're a fag who's
wife is
forced to do anal online with dogs.
It's also important to remember that you're a total
failure in life who
sails a sad boat that the few friends you have told you
not to buy. Oh,
and Joe is posting as Suzy and signing off as Joe. He's
soooo retarded
(like your dead dad)!!!!

Seriously, Scotty. You're a loser.


RB
35s5
NY

Ahoy Bob Crantz
 

Would you consider the below post as vulgar?


Mys Terry wrote:
Which one? The one where you called Bobsprit an asswipe, or the other
one?


Sticking up for your little brother again?

DSK

Ahoy Bob Crantz
 

How long did you try to figure it out on your own, before
asking us?

SBV


"Mys Terry" wrote
On Wed, 31 May 2006 12:13:55 -0400, "Scotty"

wrote:

Would you consider the below post as vulgar?

SBV


Which one? The one where you called Bobsprit an asswipe,
or the other
one?





"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

oups.com..
..
Joe, is now posting as Suzy...



You just figured that out today, asswipe?




I think it's important to remember that your dead
mother
was an
asswipe, like her mother before her and you're a fag
who's
wife is
forced to do anal online with dogs.
It's also important to remember that you're a total
failure in life who
sails a sad boat that the few friends you have told you
not to buy. Oh,
and Joe is posting as Suzy and signing off as Joe. He's
soooo retarded
(like your dead dad)!!!!

Seriously, Scotty. You're a loser.


RB
35s5
NY

Ahoy Bob Crantz
 

Mys Terry wrote:
I walked right past your wife in her office building not too long ago.
She's even uglier in person.


Really? Where did you park?

Considering that my wife has not been "in her office
building" for a while, we know that you're a liar as well as
a cowardly twerp.

The question is, why do you fight for Boobsie? If JAXAshby
ever returns, will you stick up for him too?

DSK

Ahoy Bob Crantz
 

Mys Terry wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2006 13:06:43 -0400, DSK wrote:

Mys Terry wrote:
I walked right past your wife in her office building not too long ago.
She's even uglier in person.


Really? Where did you park?


Right across the street. I walked through a tunnel to the building.

Oh boy... Mys terry stalking another woman.
Well it least he's not raping little boys today.

Capt. Suzy
35s5
NY