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Capt. Rob May 16th 06 09:48 PM

New 911 Video released
 
The tape of the plane hitting the Pentagon has finally been released.
There is only two frames at most showing a "plane" and it's far too
small an image to be a airliner. The video is quite poor quality and
vague, but this will only fuel the rising belief that some elements of
9/11 were lies.
No comercial airliner struck the Pentagon.
Every in various forums agrees that it's not a plane including airline
pilots. If there's better footage showing a airliner hitting the
Pentagon they had better release it fast.



RB
35s5
NY


SUZY May 16th 06 09:53 PM

New 911 Video released
 
Good Lord Robert....you are nuts.

What happened to all the people on that plane that died?

You think 100+ famlies across the nation are "in on it" or what?

You think they all got CIA cancer or something?
You fall for every chunk of vomit bait the liberal blogging media
tosses your way.

Damn you're dumb!

Post a link to the video BTW!

Capt. Suzy
35s5
NY


Capt. Rob May 16th 06 10:18 PM

New 911 Video released
 
Joe, get with the program. Hundreds of family members are demanding
answers and are hardly on board.

Here's part of the reason why:

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/pentagon121.swf

There is NO wreckage at the Pentagon site. Furthermore, Boeing refuted
the pics of engine parts as even being from any 757. Don't believe
everything you've been told just because you don't have all of the
facts.

Even if you buy none of this, this is still interesting to watch:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=loose+change


Capt RB
35s5
NY


SUZY May 16th 06 10:48 PM

New 911 Video released
 
Joe who?

My name is Suzy

I do not have high speed internet here on my 35s5... so downloading
that movie is not something I want to do on dial-up.

The camera at the pentagon took pictures every 2 seconds, you can miss
alot in 2 seconds.

Are you saying our leaders launched a missle at the pentagon or what
Robert?

Guess you think the govt also had explosives planted in the WTC complex
right?

The people who spin these webs are crapping all over the real victims
and supporting the terrorist.

The suckers that take this crap bait are also helping the terrorist.

Please....the 9mm is in the end table.......use it.

Capt. Suzy
35s5
NY


SUZY May 16th 06 11:22 PM

New 911 Video released
 
call him a liar Robert

http://www.coping.org/911/survivor/pentagon.htm

And him
www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins040902.asp

And this guy
http://www.abqtrib.com/archives/news..._dcscene.shtml

Him too!
www.cincypost.com/2001/sep/11/wash091101.html

And him
www.roadstothefuture.com/VA_Sept21.txt

I could go on and on.

Would you like a passenger list?
List of all who died in the Pentagon?

Capt. Suzy
35s5


Capt. Rob May 16th 06 11:42 PM

New 911 Video released
 
The video released today and playing on AOL's newssite shows the
"plane." Only it's so small that it never even obscures anything. In
fact it's so small that when it exploded against the Pentagon it barely
burned the grass. Did you know that virtually ALL of the eyewitnesses
said it looked like a missile or a small plane? Care to explain how a
jet of that size makes just a 16 foot hole and leaves no wreckage? The
"official" explanation is that the plane "vaporized." Did you know
that? Does that sound reasonable to you? Number of planes in HISTORY
that vaporized on impact = 0.
No is saying they have the answers. But that doesn't mean we were fed
the correct ones either.
If our government lied about WMDs before and after the fact, why are
you still so sure they're telling the truth about this?
While we're at it, did you know that WTC fires were not hot enough to
bring the buildings down. The 2000 degree melting tale is a lie. It's
almost twice that. Are you aware that most demolition experts believe
it's impossible for both towers to collapse in the same fashion within
and hour of eachother? Are you aware that the PA crash site, when first
investigated by the NTSB, was judged to be unlike any other crash site
ever recorded and some team members claimed it looked "staged." The
stories go on. Are they all true? I doubt it. Are they all lies. I also
doubt that.
Snap out of it, Joe.


RB
35s5
NY


SUZY May 17th 06 12:00 AM

New 911 Video released
 
My name is Suzy. How do you do?

See you took all the liberal vomit bait, hook line and sinker.

So you think a demo team wired the towers now, and none of the
thousands of workers noticed, and all the experts needed for such a big
demo job are all staying quiet. Someone launched a cruise missle at the
pentagon, and all the eye witnesses are liars or mistaken.

And let me guess, Bush did this to raise the price of oil.

Good Lord you are dumber than a sack of rocks.

Capt. Suzy
35s5
NY


Capt. Rob May 17th 06 12:39 AM

New 911 Video released
 
It's pretty sad that Joe responds to my post with political nonsense.
Of course there's nothing liberal about the questions I asked. So far
no one has been able to explain the crash of a 757 into the Pentagon
that left such a small hole and no plane wreckage. Joe also chooses to
ignore that witnesses saw a "small plane" or "missile." Not a jetliner.


RB
35s5
NY


Bob Crantz May 17th 06 01:01 AM

New 911 Video released
 
And in other breaking news:

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfga...&entry_id=5036




Bob Crantz May 17th 06 01:03 AM

New 911 Video released
 
http://www.sandia.gov/media/images/jpg/f4_image2.jpg



Bob Crantz May 17th 06 01:04 AM

New 911 Video released
 
http://www.sandia.gov/media/images/jpg/f4_image3.jpg



Bob Crantz May 17th 06 01:12 AM

New 911 Video released
 
http://www.pbfd.net/Fire%20And%20Eme...rash%20037.jpg



SUZY May 17th 06 01:44 AM

New 911 Video released
 
hallucinating is spelled with two L's Robert.

Capt. Suzy
35s5
NY


SUZY May 17th 06 01:45 AM

New 911 Video released
 
Where is the plane?


SUZY May 17th 06 02:26 AM

New 911 Video released
 
Robert a 1969 model from the factory was called a 400 by the BSA
factory.
Everyone understands you a to ****ing stupid to ever get it... so it's
OK.

You should shift to supporting your latest dickhead move of questioning
if an airliner even hit the pentagon. OH THATS WHAT YOU ARE DOING!!!!
bwahahahahahahahahah

Robert Brody the man who spits on 911 victims, by blaming our govt (or
someone else?????) for what Osamma and his suicide boneheads did.

You are a sad little man Robert.

Capt Suzzanne Brody
35s5
NY


Capt. Rob May 17th 06 03:32 AM

New 911 Video released
 
Robert Brody the man who spits on 911 victims, by blaming our govt (or
someone else?????) for what Osamma and his suicide boneheads did.



That's right, Joe. Nobody's to blame. It all just happened.
Nice answer to the questions posed. Just a lot of anger from you as
usual.
Spits on 9/11 victims? This isn't about the victims, Joe. It's about a
757 Boeing jetliner only making a 16 foot hole in a building with no
sign of the plane afterwards. Where are the wings, Joe? The tail
section? All the witnesses who said it was not a 757 lied?
Oh, okay.


RB
35s5
NY


Peter Wiley May 17th 06 04:11 AM

New 911 Video released
 
In article . com,
Capt. Rob wrote:

[snip]

While we're at it, did you know that WTC fires were not hot enough to
bring the buildings down. The 2000 degree melting tale is a lie. It's
almost twice that.


Suuuure it is, Bob. Got a source for that? Other than your typical
conspiracy theory wackos, that is.

Machinerys Handbook quotes 2500F as the melting point for carbon steel.
The temperature at which it loses significant strength is a hell of a
lot less. At 2000F, steel has gone an orange-red colour and is easily
deformed, is non-magnetic as it has undergone a phase change to pretty
much pure austenite.

You *did* know that the WTC buildings had structural steel skeletons,
didn't you?

IOW, you're full of ****. As usual. Stick to fuzzy videos, every time
you venture to present a fact on anything vaguely relating to tools or
materials science, it's wrong.

PDW

katy May 17th 06 04:36 AM

New 911 Video released
 
Peter Wiley wrote:
In article . com,
Capt. Rob wrote:

[snip]

While we're at it, did you know that WTC fires were not hot enough to
bring the buildings down. The 2000 degree melting tale is a lie. It's
almost twice that.


Suuuure it is, Bob. Got a source for that? Other than your typical
conspiracy theory wackos, that is.

Machinerys Handbook quotes 2500F as the melting point for carbon steel.
The temperature at which it loses significant strength is a hell of a
lot less. At 2000F, steel has gone an orange-red colour and is easily
deformed, is non-magnetic as it has undergone a phase change to pretty
much pure austenite.

You *did* know that the WTC buildings had structural steel skeletons,
didn't you?

IOW, you're full of ****. As usual. Stick to fuzzy videos, every time
you venture to present a fact on anything vaguely relating to tools or
materials science, it's wrong.

PDW


He just posts this crap to get everyone going. When people jump at
it, he has a vicarious moment in his home theater seating...

Maxprop May 17th 06 04:58 AM

New 911 Video released
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
The tape of the plane hitting the Pentagon has finally been released.
There is only two frames at most showing a "plane" and it's far too
small an image to be a airliner. The video is quite poor quality and
vague, but this will only fuel the rising belief that some elements of
9/11 were lies.
No comercial airliner struck the Pentagon.
Every in various forums agrees that it's not a plane including airline
pilots. If there's better footage showing a airliner hitting the
Pentagon they had better release it fast.


Bubbles, you're nuts.

Max



Peter Wiley May 17th 06 06:14 AM

New 911 Video released
 
In article , katy
wrote:

Peter Wiley wrote:
In article . com,
Capt. Rob wrote:

[snip]

While we're at it, did you know that WTC fires were not hot enough to
bring the buildings down. The 2000 degree melting tale is a lie. It's
almost twice that.


Suuuure it is, Bob. Got a source for that? Other than your typical
conspiracy theory wackos, that is.

Machinerys Handbook quotes 2500F as the melting point for carbon steel.
The temperature at which it loses significant strength is a hell of a
lot less. At 2000F, steel has gone an orange-red colour and is easily
deformed, is non-magnetic as it has undergone a phase change to pretty
much pure austenite.

You *did* know that the WTC buildings had structural steel skeletons,
didn't you?

IOW, you're full of ****. As usual. Stick to fuzzy videos, every time
you venture to present a fact on anything vaguely relating to tools or
materials science, it's wrong.

PDW


He just posts this crap to get everyone going. When people jump at
it, he has a vicarious moment in his home theater seating...


Shrug. I skip most of it, not worth the bother. Occasionally he makes
the mistake of posting something checkable in the real world. Then,
it's time to shoot him down.

Gotta haul the boat this w/end. Maintenance time. But never mind, I'll
launch again right after winter solstice - the sun will be coming back
my way soon :-)

PDW

Scout May 17th 06 09:53 AM

New 911 Video released
 
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
I have to wonder if ANY of you actually checked anything. Perhaps such
a thing is too horrible to consider. Yet a quick search shows that no
one expert is quite sure of what happened.....yet Joe knows!

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/bollyn2.htm

Still worse, even experts admit that the WTC fires were not the hottest
building fires. There have been many that burned hotter and longer.
Amount of buildings that collapsed from sustained fires (some lasting
10 hours or more) = ZERO. Yet the WTC towers, sustaining two totally
different hits manage to collapse within an hour of eachother??? Oh,
sure, okay!

Anyone care to explain how a 757 makes a 16 foot neat hole, leaves no
wreckage and doesn't burn the grass in front of the Pentagon? Anyone
care to explain the witnesses who said they saw NO 757?


But Bob, our government would never lie to us. The president, for instance,
has no latent agenda when he pushes the No Child Left Behind act to
legislate mandatory high stakes testing. And just because he's invested his
hard earned cash in test producing companies that are now running as "for
profit" entities, is no reason to suspect he'd manipulate us so we'd be
required by law to buy what his companies are producing.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20020128/metcalf/2
Give the man a break, after all, he's going to save us from Mexicans, those
*******s!
Scout



Maxprop May 17th 06 01:47 PM

New 911 Video released
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
I have to wonder if ANY of you actually checked anything. Perhaps such
a thing is too horrible to consider. Yet a quick search shows that no
one expert is quite sure of what happened.....yet Joe knows!

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/bollyn2.htm

Still worse, even experts admit that the WTC fires were not the hottest
building fires. There have been many that burned hotter and longer.
Amount of buildings that collapsed from sustained fires (some lasting
10 hours or more) = ZERO. Yet the WTC towers, sustaining two totally
different hits manage to collapse within an hour of eachother??? Oh,
sure, okay!

Anyone care to explain how a 757 makes a 16 foot neat hole, leaves no
wreckage and doesn't burn the grass in front of the Pentagon? Anyone
care to explain the witnesses who said they saw NO 757?


Bubbles, you are completely nuts.

Max



SUZY May 17th 06 02:06 PM

New 911 Video released
 
Hi Mys Terry,

You are wrong, it is about the victims and who killed them.

You say it was someone else, and with the other terrorist supporter's
are trying to shift the blame to
some super secret massive conspircy.

Do you really think someone, or a group could pull off
murdering over 5000 people in the USA with missles and explosives and
keep everyone involved quiet?

Next you are going to be telling us the moon landing were faked.

Like I said you are as dumb as a sack of rocks Robert.

Capt Suzy
35s5
NY


Capt. Rob May 17th 06 02:32 PM

New 911 Video released
 
Do you really think someone, or a group could pull off
murdering over 5000 people in the USA with missles and explosives and
keep everyone involved quiet?


Who's being quiet? The facts behind 9/11 proven or unproven are
rappidly being examined, exposed and tested. Loose Change, the film
about the lies we were fed, is among the most downloaded videos. Even
mainstream media today said that the new video of the Pentagon will
only fuel the doubts.

RB
35s5
NY


Scotty May 17th 06 03:15 PM

New 911 Video released
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com..
..
wreckage and doesn't burn the grass in front of the

Pentagon? Anyone
care to explain the witnesses who said they saw NO 757?



A ''witness'' who saw nothing?


Bwahahahahahahahah!



Capt. Rob May 17th 06 03:26 PM

New 911 Video released
 
care to explain the witnesses who said they saw NO 757?


A ''witness'' who saw nothing?


Actually, most witnesses reported seeing something quite small, not a
757. You can google up the witness reports.


RB
35s5
NY


Joe May 17th 06 03:33 PM

New 911 Video released
 
You should move to France Robert.

To bad the douchbag who put together another M. Moore french propaganda
style film ...had to give it away free to get anyone to watch. Did
they film more American burning bodies for your viewing pleasure?

Joe


Capt. JG May 17th 06 05:03 PM

New 911 Video released
 
We're going to send troops to protect the border from Mexico. I guess I'll
have do something about my gardener, the infiltrator.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scout" wrote in message
...
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
I have to wonder if ANY of you actually checked anything. Perhaps such
a thing is too horrible to consider. Yet a quick search shows that no
one expert is quite sure of what happened.....yet Joe knows!

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/bollyn2.htm

Still worse, even experts admit that the WTC fires were not the hottest
building fires. There have been many that burned hotter and longer.
Amount of buildings that collapsed from sustained fires (some lasting
10 hours or more) = ZERO. Yet the WTC towers, sustaining two totally
different hits manage to collapse within an hour of eachother??? Oh,
sure, okay!

Anyone care to explain how a 757 makes a 16 foot neat hole, leaves no
wreckage and doesn't burn the grass in front of the Pentagon? Anyone
care to explain the witnesses who said they saw NO 757?


But Bob, our government would never lie to us. The president, for
instance, has no latent agenda when he pushes the No Child Left Behind act
to legislate mandatory high stakes testing. And just because he's invested
his hard earned cash in test producing companies that are now running as
"for profit" entities, is no reason to suspect he'd manipulate us so we'd
be required by law to buy what his companies are producing.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20020128/metcalf/2
Give the man a break, after all, he's going to save us from Mexicans,
those *******s!
Scout




Peter Wiley May 18th 06 01:23 AM

New 911 Video released
 
In article .com,
Capt. Rob wrote:

I have to wonder if ANY of you actually checked anything. Perhaps such
a thing is too horrible to consider. Yet a quick search shows that no
one expert is quite sure of what happened.....yet Joe knows!


Lessee - you're saying that your Govt is so sneaky & clever at faking
stuff that they can destroy iconic buildings and basically leave no
proof of any sort. This requires Machiavellian skill and meticulous
planning. What was the point of it all? To invade Iraq..... yet there
were NO links from 9/11 to Iraq, but plenty to other places like
Afghanistan & Saudi Arabia. Bit of an oversight there.

At the same time, you're saying your Govt is so incompetent that they
can't properly manage the invasion of Iraq. At the same time as lying
about WMD as a reason to invade.

Now, this same Govt that doesn't hesitate to fake terrorist attacks and
kill real people, at the same time can't manage to plant WMD in Iraq
and then 'find' them, thereby justifying the invasion. Why not? Not
like the USA is short of the things, after all, and you've already
stated that they lack the moral integrity needed to refrain from such
an action.

Only whackos like you, Bob, can believe this crap. I prefer the Occam's
Razor approach.

PDW

Capt. Rob May 18th 06 01:55 AM

New 911 Video released
 
Lessee - you're saying that your Govt is so sneaky


Nope. I drew no conclusions. I have no idea who would be behind such an
act. Only you are making assumptions.
Do you really think a 757 makes a 16 foot hole?


RB
35s5
NY


Bob Crantz May 18th 06 10:07 PM

New 911 Video released
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
..
Do you really think a 757 makes a 16 foot hole?

The fuselage is only 12.5 feet in diameter.

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question...s/q0110c.shtml

Seems about right.


Glory!



Capt. Rob May 18th 06 11:45 PM

New 911 Video released
 
The fuselage is only 12.5 feet in diameter.

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question...s/q0110c.shtml


Seems about right.


Yeah, so long as it has a perfect angle of penetration and no wings or
tail section and doesn't explode....16 feet is perfect.


RB
35s5
NY


Bob Crantz May 19th 06 02:42 AM

New 911 Video released
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
The fuselage is only 12.5 feet in diameter.

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question...s/q0110c.shtml


Seems about right.


Yeah, so long as it has a perfect angle of penetration and no wings or
tail section and doesn't explode....16 feet is perfect.


RB
35s5
NY

The wings and tail sheer off pretty easily. In fact, wings falling off
planes is a pretty common mid-air mishap. P-3 Orions had that problem. Wings
are like a big lever. The fuselage head on is pretty stout, the whole
structure would be in compression. If an airliner flew 150 mph greater than
its top speed, the wings and tail would sheer off.



Capt. Rob May 19th 06 10:45 AM

New 911 Video released
 
fuselage head on is pretty stout, the whole
structure would be in compression. If an airliner flew 150 mph greater
than
its top speed, the wings and tail would sheer off.


All fine, except that the official report says the wings disintegrated
on impact. No sections wings or tail section were found. So they didn't
sheer off, yet there's no impact area for them. Oopsy.

RB
35s5
NY


Bob Crantz May 19th 06 02:32 PM

New 911 Video released
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
fuselage head on is pretty stout, the whole
structure would be in compression. If an airliner flew 150 mph greater
than
its top speed, the wings and tail would sheer off.


All fine, except that the official report says the wings disintegrated
on impact. No sections wings or tail section were found. So they didn't
sheer off, yet there's no impact area for them. Oopsy.


If they disintegrated then there would be nothing left. Isn't that the
meaning of disintegration?

Airplanes have lots of aluminum, magnesium and other metals that burn. Solid
fuel rocket motors are made of powdered aluminum. Magnesium is used in
flares. Look at other airplane crashes. There are several where there's
nothing left of the plane. Forest fires melt aluminum structures and
objects.

An airplane crash is not a car crash.

The Pentagon has thick walls. The jet penetrated at least 8 of them. What
else could have the momentum (which includes mass) to penetrate that deep?

Amen!




Capt. JG May 19th 06 05:13 PM

New 911 Video released
 
Bob,

Just about every plane crash that has been recorded leaves major evidence of
engines. These engines are huge, but none were found. Something isn't right.
The internals of the engines are not aluminum, magnesium, etc.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
...

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
fuselage head on is pretty stout, the whole
structure would be in compression. If an airliner flew 150 mph greater
than
its top speed, the wings and tail would sheer off.


All fine, except that the official report says the wings disintegrated
on impact. No sections wings or tail section were found. So they didn't
sheer off, yet there's no impact area for them. Oopsy.


If they disintegrated then there would be nothing left. Isn't that the
meaning of disintegration?

Airplanes have lots of aluminum, magnesium and other metals that burn.
Solid fuel rocket motors are made of powdered aluminum. Magnesium is used
in flares. Look at other airplane crashes. There are several where there's
nothing left of the plane. Forest fires melt aluminum structures and
objects.

An airplane crash is not a car crash.

The Pentagon has thick walls. The jet penetrated at least 8 of them. What
else could have the momentum (which includes mass) to penetrate that deep?

Amen!






Bob Crantz May 20th 06 12:18 AM

New 911 Video released
 

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Bob,

Just about every plane crash that has been recorded leaves major evidence
of engines. These engines are huge, but none were found. Something isn't
right. The internals of the engines are not aluminum, magnesium, etc.


I have seen the engine remains in photographs. Are the photographs faked?

So then, the thing that hit the Pentagon obviously had no engines. Was it a
UFO?



Capt. JG May 20th 06 02:54 AM

New 911 Video released
 
It was a Mexican gardner. We need to get Bush and Cheney down to the border.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
. ..

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Bob,

Just about every plane crash that has been recorded leaves major evidence
of engines. These engines are huge, but none were found. Something isn't
right. The internals of the engines are not aluminum, magnesium, etc.


I have seen the engine remains in photographs. Are the photographs faked?

So then, the thing that hit the Pentagon obviously had no engines. Was it
a UFO?




Bob Crantz May 20th 06 03:04 AM

New 911 Video released
 
I did see a rake in the photos. You're on to something!


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
It was a Mexican gardner. We need to get Bush and Cheney down to the
border.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
. ..

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Bob,

Just about every plane crash that has been recorded leaves major
evidence of engines. These engines are huge, but none were found.
Something isn't right. The internals of the engines are not aluminum,
magnesium, etc.


I have seen the engine remains in photographs. Are the photographs faked?

So then, the thing that hit the Pentagon obviously had no engines. Was it
a UFO?






Maxprop May 20th 06 04:04 AM

New 911 Video released
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
The fuselage is only 12.5 feet in diameter.

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question...s/q0110c.shtml


Seems about right.


Yeah, so long as it has a perfect angle of penetration and no wings or
tail section and doesn't explode....16 feet is perfect.


The aircraft struck the ground immediately before hitting the Pentagon. It
is speculated that the impact with the ground probably broke the wing spars
and the wings folded back along the fuselage as the plane entered the
building. The entrance hole was actually between the first and second
floors, lending credence to the idea that the plane actually bounced
slightly after striking the ground.

Don't forget, these were not professional pilots, but all things considered
they did a credible job of accomplishing their objectives, the flight over
PA notwithstanding.

Max




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