"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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Navigator. It's a clear lesson as to why US car companies can't compete
at all.

I wouldn't drive either, thanks.


It helps to drive these cars to have real world understanding of them,
Max.
Which you don't.

I've never even sat in a Lincoln Navigator, but I've driven both the current
iteration of the Prius as well as the earlier version. Also driven a Honda
Civic hybrid, a Toyota Highlander hybrid, and a Ford Escape hybrid. I've
also read much of the automotive press' (Road and Track, Motor Trend, Car
and Driver, Consumer Reports) take on hybrids.

The problem, Bubbles, is that you are a typical gullible consumer, grasping
at the first thing that comes along, fully believing you are being 1)
ecologically responsible, and 2) cost efficient.

One outta two ain't bad.

Max

The problem, Bubbles, is that you are a typical gullible consumer,
grasping
at the first thing that comes along, fully believing you are being 1)
ecologically responsible, and 2) cost efficient.


BWahahahahah! Prius is on 3rd gen. How is that the "first thing to come
along?" Hmmm? No one has said that a Prius is cost effective. I only
said I'd rather give money to Toyota than oil. As for being
ecologically responsible your view is typically shortsighted. As I
stated earlier, these cars are the beginning of such efforts on a
higher scale, just like recycling technology that is still struggling.
You pay for the "process" of that improvement. People who bought Honda
CRX's also paid for a process of technology they liked. People like you
just keep waiting for sun powered cars while others commit to becoming
part of the solution. Of course it doesn't "pay" to understand that now
does it, Maxi? Hmmm?

RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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The problem, Bubbles, is that you are a typical gullible consumer,
grasping
at the first thing that comes along, fully believing you are being 1)
ecologically responsible, and 2) cost efficient.


BWahahahahah! Prius is on 3rd gen. How is that the "first thing to come
along?" Hmmm?

Untrue. The current model is the second in the Prius series. But I wasn't
referring to the Prius as the "first thing that comes along." I was
referring to hybrids in general. Yes, they are green, but they are not cost
effective.

No one has said that a Prius is cost effective.

I think I just said that. :-)

I only
said I'd rather give money to Toyota than oil. As for being
ecologically responsible your view is typically shortsighted. As I
stated earlier, these cars are the beginning of such efforts on a
higher scale, just like recycling technology that is still struggling.
You pay for the "process" of that improvement. People who bought Honda
CRX's also paid for a process of technology they liked. People like you
just keep waiting for sun powered cars while others commit to becoming
part of the solution.

Part of what solution? Fuel usage or minimization of greenhouse gasses? I
can equal the fuel consumption of that Prius (driven normally) with a Mini
Cooper S by simply staying off the accelerator pedal (which, admittedly,
would be damned difficult in a Mini). Better yet, I can buy a Smart Car in
Cana-duh and beat your fuel consumption figures all to hell. And I can be
far greener than thou by riding a small-displacement motorcycle or riding a
bicycle. Or by living near my work and walking. So your chest-thumping
self-righteousness is really misplaced, Bubbles. You are not really part of
the solution, but if it makes you feel good, well then by all means go for
it. That's what hybrids are all about, after all. Nothing is quite as
important as satisfying one's own need for believing you're doing the "right
thing." Just don't expect to feel all warm and fuzzy when that mega-battery
is shot and someone has to decide how to dispose of 250lbs. of sulfated
lead.

Max

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Maxprop wrote:

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
The problem, Bubbles, is that you are a typical gullible consumer,
grasping
at the first thing that comes along, fully believing you are being 1)
ecologically responsible, and 2) cost efficient.


BWahahahahah! Prius is on 3rd gen. How is that the "first thing to come
along?" Hmmm?

Untrue. The current model is the second in the Prius series. But I wasn't
referring to the Prius as the "first thing that comes along." I was
referring to hybrids in general. Yes, they are green, but they are not cost
effective.

No one has said that a Prius is cost effective.

I think I just said that. :-)

I only
said I'd rather give money to Toyota than oil. As for being
ecologically responsible your view is typically shortsighted. As I
stated earlier, these cars are the beginning of such efforts on a
higher scale, just like recycling technology that is still struggling.
You pay for the "process" of that improvement. People who bought Honda
CRX's also paid for a process of technology they liked. People like you
just keep waiting for sun powered cars while others commit to becoming
part of the solution.

Part of what solution? Fuel usage or minimization of greenhouse gasses? I
can equal the fuel consumption of that Prius (driven normally) with a Mini
Cooper S by simply staying off the accelerator pedal (which, admittedly,
would be damned difficult in a Mini). Better yet, I can buy a Smart Car in
Cana-duh and beat your fuel consumption figures all to hell. And I can be
far greener than thou by riding a small-displacement motorcycle or riding a
bicycle. Or by living near my work and walking. So your chest-thumping
self-righteousness is really misplaced, Bubbles. You are not really part of
the solution, but if it makes you feel good, well then by all means go for
it. That's what hybrids are all about, after all. Nothing is quite as
important as satisfying one's own need for believing you're doing the "right
thing." Just don't expect to feel all warm and fuzzy when that mega-battery
is shot and someone has to decide how to dispose of 250lbs. of sulfated
lead.

Mooring block or lead for bullet casting. Yes!

PDW

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
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Mooring block or lead for bullet casting. Yes!

You might have something there. Okay, not the mooring block, but the
bullets. I used to cast .45 SWCs for myself and several friends. We used
lead ingots plus some old wheel weights for the antimony and tin. We had
two 4-cavity molds and could keep things moving along well. We did the
smelting and casting in the hoods (constant negative pressure with outdraft)
at the biology lab of a local college.

Max